Shamrock Sadie

Knot Hardly Dun is interested! PM me.

Congratulations, Mae! Well done!

This is Knot’s first World Championship win. I am so proud of him!

Wow. So sorry to hear of her passing. Condolences to Chance, her friends, and the rest of the family. ...Shamrock & Knot

My marked-up copy of the Shooters Handbook (v. 27.5; updated Jan. 1, 2024) has extra notes & clarifications. This can be found on the Doily Gang website (under SASS Rules Refreshers). This copy also has penalty marks suitable for printing on hole-punched paper for placement in a binder. Any time there is a major update, I update my copy of the latest version of the handbook with clarifications and highlight key rules to review. Be sure to check back occasionally after a major SHB update to get my latest marked-up copy of the SASS Shooters Handbook. The Doily Gang - SASS Rules Refreshers

Yep - I went to fast with the keyboard. Shooter B has the advantage on raw time. I'll fix it.

============= "No Sir".... The shooter I detailed in my scenario did it intentionally. I did not add in the description that they got confused and shot it wrong, as described in your Shooter B. "They then realize they acquired a Procedural, so dumps the remaining 7 rounds on the middle target." They intentionally dumped the last 7 shots. Reel it in, buddy. I DO NOT just hand out SOG's freely and don't make blanket calls either. I never said to do that on the FB post nor here. So as a matter of fact, a couple of weeks ago this happened at a match where I was at the loading table and watched the shooter. The shooter knew they had a P (different sweep) after the second shot, said something like Ugh in disgust, then quickly shot the last 8 rounds on the middle target (of 3) very fast. After he finished, the spotters and TO looked back at me, as they knew he had intentionally dumped the rounds to make up some speed on . I shook my head and said something like, I'm not spotting; you guys have to make the call. Then I said if you're not going to call it, then at least go give the shooter a talkin' to, because he needs to know. A P was called, but no SOG.

I believe it boils down to the lack of calling true penalties at monthly club-level matches. That's on the MDs and TGs at the club not promoting the calling of penalties, which trickles down to the spotters/TOs. Spotters/TOs at monthly matches get lax on calling penalties, then it gets carried on to annual and above matches (including Nationals and Word), even knowing the shooter should get penalized (of course excluding when there are doubts of what a shooter did - "I think," "I'm not sure," etc.). For the SOG quick dumping scenario: Take 2 shooters of equal speed shooting the same scenario as in this original post (3 targets and a 2-1-2 sweep). Shooter A realizes they got a P after the 2nd shot (1st shot on left target, then 2nd and 3rd shots on middle target, when that 2nd shot should be on the 1st target) but does not dump and attempts to finish the sweep. Shooter B realizes they got a P after the 2nd shot (1st shot on left target, then 2nd and 3rd shots on middle target, when that 2nd shot should be on the 1st target), so the shooter quickly dumps the remaining 7 rounds on the middle target. When Shooter B quickly dumps on the middle target, they eliminate the movement from sweeping across all 3 of the targets for the remaining 7 rounds, hence, lowering the raw time of that stage. This would be an advantage for Shooter B on the raw time, as Shooter A had to take the time to move across the 3 targets.

THIS example by PWB is a SOG. In the original "Shooter A" post here, the sentence "They then realize they acquired a Procedural, so dumps the remaining 7 rounds on the middle target" is the same type of example. There were 3 targets; the shooter hit the first target and the second target (not even hitting the third target), as the shooter "realized they acquired a Procedural." The shooter in example B in the original post was not intentionally trying to gain an advantage.

We still have some spots left for our smokeless match and the AZ State BP match Feb 16-18. Lots of prize giveaways and two raffles! Check out the info on our website: https://acsainc.com/annual-event-2024/

Awesome! Congratulations to both!

I clicked on the link right at Noon via my iPhone and had absolutely no issues. That was the FASTEST and EASIEST online match registration I’ve ever done. Our contact information was even pre-filled since we had shot the match before. Hats off to all involved!

Still have room for more shooters. Be sure to sign up! It's the same range as the EOT match at Ben Avery.

It’s a Super Fun match!

We are ramping up for an exciting match in February, guaranteed to be a great warm-up for EOT. Be sure to sign up. Annual Event 2024 - Arizona Cowboy Shooters Association Inc. (ACSA) (acsainc.com)