Buckshot Bear Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Is Red Dot & Green Dot ok for .38 cowboy loads? My local gunshop has some in, they are saying this could be the last powder for "Who know when". Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ “Reb” Wainwright 110206 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 @Buckshot Bear Red Dot is certainly useful for target handgun calibers in our game. I shoot with a couple cowboys who use nothing else. I personally have no experience with Green Dot. I haven’t seen RD available ‘round these parts for many months. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckwagon McTaggart Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I have no experience with Green dot, but Red Dot works quite well for light loads in .38spl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I got a small quantity of Green Dot once and loaded it in 38 Specials. I was pleased with the results. The felt recoil was not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Bob Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Green dot is a great shotgun powder for this game. It also does well in .45acp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 50 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said: Is Red Dot & Green Dot ok for .38 cowboy loads? My local gunshop has some in, they are saying this could be the last powder for "Who know when". Thanks in advance I use red dot for 12ga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Red Dot/ Promo works great for all cowboy loads. Pistol- Rifle and Shotgun Especially when I am low on Clays GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I use Green Dot in .32 S&W Long with good results. Shoots clean and is economical. There is no recoil, but power factor is exceeded easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Both will work for 38 special loads. There is a lot of data for Red Dot in 38 Special You'll have to dig for Green Dot load data but it is out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 grains of Green Dot with a 125 gr 38 bullet will get you 740 fps with light recoil. Also been using it for 3/4 ounce 12 gauge light loads on my MEC. Shortcake hates recoil and loves shooting these loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I use Red Dot for cowboy loads in .38 sp., .44 mag., .45 acp, and .45 colt. I use the same loadings for both rifle and pistol. I have use a lot of it in shotgun target loads but am not reloading shotgun now. Stock up when you can. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Eeyour Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Check here http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Freebies/RM/Alliant.html Pistol loads are near the bottom. Try older manuals but the most recent that shows Green Dot I believe that for Alliant powders the common ones used are Red Dot and Unique. I have used Green Dot but for 45 Colt and 12 gauge field loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Red Dot for all my smokeless stuff. 38, 44/40, 45Colt, 45acp, 12ga. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Buy all the Red Dot that you can find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 In some ways Red Dot is just a fluffier form of Bullseye. It will work in pretty much any pistol cartridge, and the starting load for bullseye is safe, IMO. However, if you chrono your loads Es and Sd always seem to be above single digit. Accuracy is OK, just poor(ish) numbers. I also found that you may need to test different primers to get the best #'s. In addition, in a large case, sometimes the powder forward and powder reward numbers are a bit different. For our game, not an issue. Green Dot never gave me numbers that I could live with. It is somewhat like Clays, in reality the other way around. Clays was touted as a clean burning substitute for Green Dot. I found it to be position sensitive. Observation. I have a few older manuals. Both Red Dot and Green Dot were commonly listed in pistol calibers well into the 70's. Green Dot sopped being listed before Red Dot, but data for Red Dot isn't seen often any more. I used some Promo, old batches of Red Dot, and newer Red Dot. Velocity varied a bit but the characteristics were similar. In my limited testing Clays did work better than Green Dot. I used lots of Green Dot for 12 ga back in the day. Interestingly, Red dot was the powder used in the universal load, for most military rifle calibers. https://forum.castbulletassoc.org/thread/1387-the-load-is-13-grains-of-red-dot/ Bottom line, both will work, after a fashion, but I'd recommend testing over a chronograph. Speer #9 has lots of pistol data for both powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 Thanks all ended up with 4lbs of each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 i concur on the red dot - i use a lot of it for 12ga , 45colt , 38spcl as well as others i had blue dot and green dot and was never really loading that so i traded it for some other stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 23 hours ago, Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494 said: I use Green Dot in .32 S&W Long with good results. Shoots clean and is economical. There is no recoil, but power factor is exceeded easily. Thanks I will be trying it out with hollow based wad cutters in my target Pardini .32 S&W Long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
German Jim Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 In the past, I've used Red Dot. Switched to Green Dot several years ago. Can't remember why. I use it for all my smokeless loads. I use it for everything. .45 Colt, .45ACP and 12 GA. I like to keep it simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemus Von Schutze Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Red Dot for my 12ga light loads, Green Dot for the wife's 20 ga. Made a lighter than factory light load, also less recoil than a 12, that was more work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightning Bill Carson Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Back when we had the powder shortage a few years ago the only powder I could find was Green Dot and bought 16 lbs. of it! Worked out good loads for both 45 and 38sp. Still loading from the last of the 2nd 8lb. keg! Read somewhere that You can basically use the same load data for both Red and Green powders but would definitely chrome them out to be sure. Be safe, be kind go out to the range and unwind, LBC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bull Skinner Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I use Red Dot or Green dot in all my cowboy guns including 38 spl, 44 Russian, 44 Spl, 44 WCF, 45 Colt and 12 gauge. Also works in 9mm, 45 acp and 45/70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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