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Be Careful Out There - Frightening Events

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This is a long one.  Unfortunately, there is no quick way to relay these events.  I just wanted to pass along this information in hopes it helps someone.

 

The set up:

The cluster of smaller cities in our area have a population of about 250,000 people total.  We aren’t a big city, but we aren’t a small village either.  There is one main road, other than the interstate, that strings a number of these small towns together.  It has lots of traffic at all hours of the day and night.

 

A coworker stopped at the local grocery store on her way home from work.  Broad daylight on a Tuesday evening, not in a bad part of town.   The store is on the main road, lots of traffic and many people doing the same thing.  As she exited her car, she saw a man learning on the wall outside the store but away from the entrance.  She didn’t think much of it but it did trigger her radar.  As she walked towards the entrance, she heard his steps behind her catching up to her.  She sped up her pace and started jogging into the store.  She felt his hands scrape her back as he tried to grab the backpack she was wearing.  She ran into the store screaming “Help me help me, he’s trying to grab me”, as she approached the customer service counter, which was right inside the entrance.  He ran into the store and hid.  The store manager and three other employees searched each aisle of the store but couldn’t find him.  They guessed he went out the other entrance.  The manager offered two employees escort her while she did her shopping.  She rushed through the store grabbing what she needed and moving at a fast pace so she could get out of there.  While in the produce section, the assailant comes out of nowhere and begins running full speed for her.  The two employees grab her and pull her behind the employee doors of the near by bakery/deli counter.  The assailant gives up and runs out of the store.  The manager confirmed it on surveillance camera.  The employees escorted her to the customer service counter where she checked out, then three large employees helped her to her car, loaded her groceries and made sure she safely exited the property.  She drove straight to the police station to report the incident.  After she left the police station, she drove around for an hour to make sure she wasn’t being followed.  When she finally felt safe, she went home.

 

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When she asked the store manager why he didn’t call the police, he said this kind of thing happens more often than you know.  He did encourage her to go to the police herself, which she did.

 

The police sergeant told her that our area is rife with human trafficking.  They target females and young boys.  Older women are sold into slavery and younger women, girls and boys are sold into the sex trade.  He also said if you think about it, we are a 90 minute boat ride to a foreign country.  The sergeant commended her for running into the store instead of back to her car.  He also named several other stores in the area to avoid because of the same problem.  

 

Epilogue:
She is afraid of firearms, but may consider them as a form of self defense now.  I have invited her to a ladies day at the range where she can try out what I have and see if it’s something she would like to get involved in.  If it is, I will connect her with proper training.  If not, I will connect her with self defense classes where she can learn techniques to handle herself in this kind of situation.  

 

We are not allowed to have firearms on our person or in our vehicles on company property.  Period.  It is an instant termination offense.  Since there is no place to park off company property, I have changed my habits and go straight home from work or stop at the little grocery store near the house, saving my large trips for the weekend when I can go heeled. 

 

Be careful out there.

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Why didn't she call the po-po, the second she was in the store?

That would have been a high priority call in any dept.

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OLG is absolutely right.   The woman should not have listened to the store manager in regards to calling the police. She should have called the police instantly upon entering the store.  

 

 It is unsettling that the assailant was so persistent that he continued to try to assault her, even inside the store.  

 

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1 hour ago, Calamity Kris said:

We are not allowed to have firearms ... or in our vehicles on company property.  Period.  It is an instant termination offense.

 

Since 2008 they can't do that.

 

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.251.html

 

Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.

 

(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.—No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):
(a) No public or private employer may prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm when such firearm is lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot and when the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully in such area.
(b) No public or private employer may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee by verbal or written inquiry regarding the presence of a firearm inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot or by an actual search of a private motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle. Further, no public or private employer may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a private motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes. A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.
(c) No public or private employer shall condition employment upon either:
1. The fact that an employee or prospective employee holds or does not hold a license issued pursuant to s. 790.06; or
2. Any agreement by an employee or a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from keeping a legal firearm locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot when such firearm is kept for lawful purposes.
(d) No public or private employer shall prohibit or attempt to prevent any customer, employee, or invitee from entering the parking lot of the employer’s place of business because the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle contains a legal firearm being carried for lawful purposes, that is out of sight within the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle.
(e) No public or private employer may terminate the employment of or otherwise discriminate against an employee, or expel a customer or invitee for exercising his or her constitutional right to keep and bear arms or for exercising the right of self-defense as long as a firearm is never exhibited on company property for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes.

This subsection applies to all public sector employers, including those already prohibited from regulating firearms under the provisions of s. 790.33.

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4 minutes ago, Cat Brules said:

It is unsettling that the assailant was so persistent that he continued to try to assault her, even inside the store.

 

It's also unsettling that the store employees couldn't just grab him and do a little ass-whoopin', but that's a sign of the times I guess.

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I'm pretty sure there is a Florida state law prohibiting employers from prohibiting a gun locked in your car. This law excludes property where a firearm is prohibited by state law such as a school. 

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1790.251 Protection of the right to keep and bear arms in motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes; prohibited acts; duty of public and private employers; immunity from liability; enforcement.
(1) SHORT TITLE.This section may be cited as the “Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.”
(2) DEFINITIONS.As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Parking lot” means any property that is used for parking motor vehicles and is available to customers, employees, or invitees for temporary or long-term parking or storage of motor vehicles.
(b) “Motor vehicle” means any automobile, truck, minivan, sports utility vehicle, motor home, recreational vehicle, motorcycle, motor scooter, or any other vehicle operated on the roads of this state and required to be registered under state law.
(c) “Employee” means any person who possesses a valid license issued pursuant to s. 790.06 and:
1. Works for salary, wages, or other remuneration;
2. Is an independent contractor; or
3. Is a volunteer, intern, or other similar individual for an employer.
(d) “Employer” means any business that is a sole proprietorship, partnership, corporation, limited liability company, professional association, cooperative, joint venture, trust, firm, institution, or association, or public sector entity, that has employees.
(e) “Invitee” means any business invitee, including a customer or visitor, who is lawfully on the premises of a public or private employer.

As used in this section, the term “firearm” includes ammunition and accoutrements attendant to the lawful possession and use of a firearm.

(3) LEGISLATIVE INTENT; FINDINGS.This act is intended to codify the long-standing legislative policy of the state that individual citizens have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms, that they have a constitutional right to possess and keep legally owned firearms within their motor vehicles for self-defense and other lawful purposes, and that these rights are not abrogated by virtue of a citizen becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of a business entity. It is the finding of the Legislature that a citizen’s lawful possession, transportation, and secure keeping of firearms and ammunition within his or her motor vehicle is essential to the exercise of the fundamental constitutional right to keep and bear arms and the constitutional right of self-defense. The Legislature finds that protecting and preserving these rights is essential to the exercise of freedom and individual responsibility. The Legislature further finds that no citizen can or should be required to waive or abrogate his or her right to possess and securely keep firearms and ammunition locked within his or her motor vehicle by virtue of becoming a customer, employee, or invitee of any employer or business establishment within the state, unless specifically required by state or federal law.
(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):
(a) No public or private employer may prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm when such firearm is lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot and when the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully in such area.
(b) No public or private employer may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee by verbal or written inquiry regarding the presence of a firearm inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot or by an actual search of a private motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle. Further, no public or private employer may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a private motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes. A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.
(c) No public or private employer shall condition employment upon either:
1. The fact that an employee or prospective employee holds or does not hold a license issued pursuant to s. 790.06; or
2. Any agreement by an employee or a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from keeping a legal firearm locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot when such firearm is kept for lawful purposes.
(d) No public or private employer shall prohibit or attempt to prevent any customer, employee, or invitee from entering the parking lot of the employer’s place of business because the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle contains a legal firearm being carried for lawful purposes, that is out of sight within the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle.
(e) No public or private employer may terminate the employment of or otherwise discriminate against an employee, or expel a customer or invitee for exercising his or her constitutional right to keep and bear arms or for exercising the right of self-defense as long as a firearm is never exhibited on company property for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes.

This subsection applies to all public sector employers, including those already prohibited from regulating firearms under the provisions of s. 790.33.

(5) DUTY OF CARE OF PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EMPLOYERS; IMMUNITY FROM LIABILITY.
(a) When subject to the provisions of subsection (4), a public or private employer has no duty of care related to the actions prohibited under such subsection.
(b) A public or private employer is not liable in a civil action based on actions or inactions taken in compliance with this section. The immunity provided in this subsection does not apply to civil actions based on actions or inactions of public or private employers that are unrelated to compliance with this section.
(c) Nothing contained in this section shall be interpreted to expand any existing duty, or create any additional duty, on the part of a public or private employer, property owner, or property owner’s agent.
(6) ENFORCEMENT.The Attorney General shall enforce the protections of this act on behalf of any customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act. If there is reasonable cause to believe that the aggrieved person’s rights under this act have been violated by a public or private employer, the Attorney General shall commence a civil or administrative action for damages, injunctive relief and civil penalties, and such other relief as may be appropriate under the provisions of s. 760.51, or may negotiate a settlement with any employer on behalf of any person aggrieved under the act. However, nothing in this act shall prohibit the right of a person aggrieved under this act to bring a civil action for violation of rights protected under the act. In any successful action brought by a customer, employee, or invitee aggrieved under this act, the court shall award all reasonable personal costs and losses suffered by the aggrieved person as a result of the violation of rights under this act. In any action brought pursuant to this act, the court shall award all court costs and attorney’s fees to the prevailing party.
(7) EXCEPTIONS.The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:
(a) Any school property as defined and regulated under s. 790.115.
(b) Any correctional institution regulated under s. 944.47 or chapter 957.
(c) Any property where a nuclear-powered electricity generation facility is located.
(d) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which are conducted substantial activities involving national defense, aerospace, or homeland security.
(e) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which the primary business conducted is the manufacture, use, storage, or transportation of combustible or explosive materials regulated under state or federal law, or property owned or leased by an employer who has obtained a permit required under 18 U.S.C. s. 842 to engage in the business of importing, manufacturing, or dealing in explosive materials on such property.
(f) A motor vehicle owned, leased, or rented by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer.
(g) Any other property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which possession of a firearm or other legal product by a customer, employee, or invitee is prohibited pursuant to any federal law, contract with a federal government entity, or general law of this state.
History.s. 1, ch. 2008-7.
1Note.Section 15, ch. 2011-119, provides that “[t]he amendments made to ss. 509.144 and 932.701, Florida Statutes, and the creation of s. 901.1503, Florida Statutes, by this act do not affect or impede the provisions of s. 790.251, Florida Statutes, or any other protection or right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution.”
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People under stress frequently don't know what to do. Especially in a situaton they have never found themselves in before.

It's too bad the store manager was an idiot and didn't call 911 immediately. They might have caught the guy in the vicinity.

The fact that he assaulted her in the store is indicative more of a disturned are drugged up individual rather than a human trafficker.

 

I don't know how a company would know if you had a firearm in your vehicle unless they illegally searched it in which case they would be in deeper trouble than you, dollar wise.

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I don't care what an employer says. I will have a gun with me if I deem it necessary. Period.

 

How are they going to know unless I tell them or use it for protection?

 

I am glad your coworker is okay.

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1 hour ago, Alpo said:

 

Since 2008 they can't do that.

 

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.251.html

 

Preservation and Protection of the Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Motor Vehicles Act of 2008.

 

(4) PROHIBITED ACTS.—No public or private employer may violate the constitutional rights of any customer, employee, or invitee as provided in paragraphs (a)-(e):
(a) No public or private employer may prohibit any customer, employee, or invitee from possessing any legally owned firearm when such firearm is lawfully possessed and locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot and when the customer, employee, or invitee is lawfully in such area.
(b) No public or private employer may violate the privacy rights of a customer, employee, or invitee by verbal or written inquiry regarding the presence of a firearm inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot or by an actual search of a private motor vehicle in a parking lot to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle. Further, no public or private employer may take any action against a customer, employee, or invitee based upon verbal or written statements of any party concerning possession of a firearm stored inside a private motor vehicle in a parking lot for lawful purposes. A search of a private motor vehicle in the parking lot of a public or private employer to ascertain the presence of a firearm within the vehicle may only be conducted by on-duty law enforcement personnel, based upon due process and must comply with constitutional protections.
(c) No public or private employer shall condition employment upon either:
1. The fact that an employee or prospective employee holds or does not hold a license issued pursuant to s. 790.06; or
2. Any agreement by an employee or a prospective employee that prohibits an employee from keeping a legal firearm locked inside or locked to a private motor vehicle in a parking lot when such firearm is kept for lawful purposes.
(d) No public or private employer shall prohibit or attempt to prevent any customer, employee, or invitee from entering the parking lot of the employer’s place of business because the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle contains a legal firearm being carried for lawful purposes, that is out of sight within the customer’s, employee’s, or invitee’s private motor vehicle.
(e) No public or private employer may terminate the employment of or otherwise discriminate against an employee, or expel a customer or invitee for exercising his or her constitutional right to keep and bear arms or for exercising the right of self-defense as long as a firearm is never exhibited on company property for any reason other than lawful defensive purposes.

This subsection applies to all public sector employers, including those already prohibited from regulating firearms under the provisions of s. 790.33.

 

 

Yes they can..........

 

(7) EXCEPTIONS.The prohibitions in subsection (4) do not apply to:

(d) Property owned or leased by a public or private employer or the landlord of a public or private employer upon which are conducted substantial activities involving national defense, aerospace, or homeland security.
 
That's called the "Lockheed loophole".  An employee was terminated from Lockheed.  He went out to his car, retrieved his gun, went back in and killed a number of people.  That's how the exception came to be.
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1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

People under stress frequently don't know what to do. Especially in a situaton they have never found themselves in before.

It's too bad the store manager was an idiot and didn't call 911 immediately. They might have caught the guy in the vicinity.

The fact that he assaulted her in the store is indicative more of a disturned are drugged up individual rather than a human trafficker.

 

I don't know how a company would know if you had a firearm in your vehicle unless they illegally searched it in which case they would be in deeper trouble than you, dollar wise.

 

We sign a waiver when we are hired acknowledging that we allow the company to conduct random searches of our persons, desk and vehicles upon demand at any given time.  I thought that was fluff and bluster until Uno's manager was targeted for a random vehicle search at 7:30am one morning.  He was clean but they made a big show of it to all in that parking lot.  If they had found so much as a spent shell casing in his vehicle, he would have been terminated on the spot.

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Who the heck do you work for?I

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I have carried a gun on me when I wasn't supposed to on many occasions.  Would you rather lose your job or your life?

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38 minutes ago, Alpo said:

Who the heck do you work for?I

 

Not allowed to say................

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18 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I have carried a gun on me when I wasn't supposed to on many occasions.  Would you rather lose your job or your life?

 

I work in a really secure facility.  I'm not worried about 99% of the people I work with.  The other 1% I avoid at all costs.  Since the incident happened after work and off premises, I will change my habits to do my best at avoiding the situation my co worker found herself in.  For me, that's the best solution right now.  I presented this as a caution to others.  Unfortunately, things like this are happening and we need to be aware and able to avoid them if we can, protect or defend ourselves if we can't.

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1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

I have carried a gun on me when I wasn't supposed to on many occasions.  Would you rather lose your job or your life?

I'm with Forty, and I do the same.

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6 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

I don't care what an employer says. I will have a gun with me if I deem it necessary. Period.

 

How are they going to know unless I tell them or use it for protection?

 

I am glad your coworker is okay.

What Pat said---Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

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Kris, I think perhaps a call to the FBI might be warranted. I don’t know how much good it will do but if the local police aren’t or can’t doing anything perhaps the FBI will.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

 

I work in a really secure facility.  I'm not worried about 99% of the people I work with.  The other 1% I avoid at all costs.  Since the incident happened after work and off premises, I will change my habits to do my best at avoiding the situation my co worker found herself in.  For me, that's the best solution right now.  I presented this as a caution to others.  Unfortunately, things like this are happening and we need to be aware and able to avoid them if we can, protect or defend ourselves if we can't.

The "very secure" facility that I used to work at had metal detectors that we went through when entering.  They had the right to search your automobile, but they rarely did unless you were taking it into the working part of the  plant, other than the mirror to inspect the undercarriage.  Fortunately we lived in a low crime location and there were enough people carrying concealed that the criminal types rarely took a chance on attacking someone.  Still, if we could obtain a security clearance we should have been trustworthy enough to have our pistols in our cars....

 

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7 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

I don't care what an employer says. I will have a gun with me if I deem it necessary. Period.

 

How are they going to know unless I tell them or use it for protection?

 

I am glad your coworker is okay.

Exactly what I was thinking! Unless they search your car, which is illegal, they'll never know about a gun. If you have to use it on the property and get fired at least your alive! You can always get another job but to get another life is a little difficult!

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5 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

 

We sign a waiver when we are hired acknowledging that we allow the company to conduct random searches of our persons, desk and vehicles upon demand at any given time.  I thought that was fluff and bluster until Uno's manager was targeted for a random vehicle search at 7:30am one morning.  He was clean but they made a big show of it to all in that parking lot.  If they had found so much as a spent shell casing in his vehicle, he would have been terminated on the spot.

Thats total BS, I would refuse to sign even if it meant getting another job! You can't get another life!

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I work in a similar situation. It is easy to say that you would rather be fired than not carry but in my case the alternative would cost me about 2/3rds of my current pay as there is not another job that I can go to that will even come close to this pay scale.

 

Some of you live in states working over time to eliminate the 2nd amendment which means you give up a lot of freedoms people in other states enjoy. WHY????

Me; I put up with not being able to have a firearm in my vehicle at work because I want to retire before I am 80 years old. If the economy holds I should be able to retire when I am 60 1/2 years old. I can do this because my chosen field pays well which has allowed me to max out my 401K, plus catchup, plus my IRA for the last several years and not live pay check to pay check in the process. Quit and my next job would likely be shovelling manure out of a pig pen simply because I would rather be homeless than work at micky Ds

 

It is easy to say you'll quit first until you have to face the consequences of that decision. I am lucky in that I live in a very safe community and have very little to fear during daylight hours. When I have to work nights I travel from work to the house with no stops inbetween. No gas, late night wally world or anything else.

Several years ago I was in a job I hated. However I was smart enough not to quit and loose a lot of certifications that could not be easily replaced. Instead I spent 2 years sending out resumes to companies in locations I wanted to live. I probably could have found a job sooner but I would have only been trading one misery for another. Instead I toughed it out until I found a job I liked in a location I wanted to live in until retirement.

 

Any company can fire you if they want to and 99% of the time there will be nothing you can do about it.  I can recall at least a half dozen people fired for  doing incredibly stupid stuff like stealing 25 cent rolls from the cafeteria or stealing a candy bar or  soda from a honor snack bar. When you work as a government contractor the easiest way for a company to dismiss a person they don't want is for mis-charging labor. A good auditor can always find something if you work in a place where you are electronically tracked because all the doors have badge readers and internet usage is monitored.

 

We all make choices for a multitude of reasons; family and  financial security are most likely at the top of the list.

 

Sorry to hijack your thread Calamity Chris. Thanks for the warning.

 

I hope your friend takes self defense classes and decides to carry as not every bad situation can be solved with a firearm.

 

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16 hours ago, Alpo said:

Who the heck do you work for?I

 

15 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

 

Not allowed to say................

 

She could tell you, but then...

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There simply are no guaranteed safe places.LIberals refuse to understand that.

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5 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

I work in a similar situation. It is easy to say that you would rather be fired than not carry but in my case the alternative would cost me about 2/3rds of my current pay as there is not another job that I can go to that will even come close to this pay scale.

 

Some of you live in states working over time to eliminate the 2nd amendment which means you give up a lot of freedoms people in other states enjoy. WHY????

Me; I put up with not being able to have a firearm in my vehicle at work because I want to retire before I am 80 years old. If the economy holds I should be able to retire when I am 60 1/2 years old. I can do this because my chosen field pays well which has allowed me to max out my 401K, plus catchup, plus my IRA for the last several years and not live pay check to pay check in the process. Quit and my next job would likely be shovelling manure out of a pig pen simply because I would rather be homeless than work at micky Ds

 

It is easy to say you'll quit first until you have to face the consequences of that decision. I am lucky in that I live in a very safe community and have very little to fear during daylight hours. When I have to work nights I travel from work to the house with no stops inbetween. No gas, late night wally world or anything else.

Several years ago I was in a job I hated. However I was smart enough not to quit and loose a lot of certifications that could not be easily replaced. Instead I spent 2 years sending out resumes to companies in locations I wanted to live. I probably could have found a job sooner but I would have only been trading one misery for another. Instead I toughed it out until I found a job I liked in a location I wanted to live in until retirement.

 

Any company can fire you if they want to and 99% of the time there will be nothing you can do about it.  I can recall at least a half dozen people fired for  doing incredibly stupid stuff like stealing 25 cent rolls from the cafeteria or stealing a candy bar or  soda from a honor snack bar. When you work as a government contractor the easiest way for a company to dismiss a person they don't want is for mis-charging labor. A good auditor can always find something if you work in a place where you are electronically tracked because all the doors have badge readers and internet usage is monitored.

 

We all make choices for a multitude of reasons; family and  financial security are most likely at the top of the list.

 

Sorry to hijack your thread Calamity Chris. Thanks for the warning.

 

I hope your friend takes self defense classes and decides to carry as not every bad situation can be solved with a firearm.

 

 

Thank you for the post.  You did not hijack, you added commentary that I failed to.  This is exactly why I work where I work. 

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Either something ain't right with this story, OR..... both the store manager and police Sgt are stupid or cowards.

 

When the store manager stated "..... this kind of thing happens more often than you know",  then WHY wasn't

he taking precautions when a perp 'hangs out' around the outside of the store?

 

AND... if the Police Sgt was aware of these situations and had reasonable MO on these situations, WHY 

isn't some of these particular stores patrolled or at the least, the store managers encouraged

to contact local LEO's when these perps started hanging round outside the store.

 

Like I said, something just doesn't sound right about these stories.

 

..........Widder

 

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Are chemical and/or electronic deterrents also prohibited on company property? If not, a deterrent of of one of these types may be in order with a little simple training. As others have stated, self defense training would be a big step in the right direction. 

 

In any case, it is important to be wary, trust your instincts and be aware of your surroundings regardless if you're male or female. People are getting more and more weirder every day and seemingly less concerned about the consequences of their actions.

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If a police Sgt won't help.

Demand to speak the the station commander, ASAP.

Kris-where you work(think I know the location)would you be allowed to have 'bear-spray' in your car, while on the property?

OLG

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23 hours ago, Calamity Kris said:

We are not allowed to have firearms on our person or in our vehicles on company property.  Period.  It is an instant termination offense.  Since there is no place to park off company property, I have changed my habits and go straight home from work or stop at the little grocery store near the house, saving my large trips for the weekend when I can go heeled. 

 

Be careful out there.

You might want to check with your local or state laws. When I worked at FedEx as a consultant they had the same rules about not having a firearm in your vehicle on their property. They were told this wasn't allowed and people could have them in the vehicles as long as they kept them locked up until they left the property.. Just a thought that might be the same there.

 

TM

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being a negative person, what the hell good does a gun in your car do if you walking away from it? Going into a store, and then walking back. If this were a kidnapping three is no way she could have run to her car, got the door open, took possession of the gun and brought it into the ready. The I got ya law in Florida is you can open carry a rifle or pistol as long as you are going to or coming from camping or fishing. There are a bunch of 2A activists who are always walking around with fishing rods and guns!!! Cops have to leave them alone. 

 

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13 minutes ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:

being a negative person, what the hell good does a gun in your car do if you walking away from it? Going into a store, and then walking back. If this were a kidnapping three is no way she could have run to her car, got the door open, took possession of the gun and brought it into the ready. The I got ya law in Florida is you can open carry a rifle or pistol as long as you are going to or coming from camping or fishing. There are a bunch of 2A activists who are always walking around with fishing rods and guns!!! Cops have to leave them alone. 

 

Ike

 

Ike,

 

I think you missed the part about "on the way home from work" and "work" prohibits firearms on the property/random vehicle searches/etc.  It wasn't the store prohibiting carry, it was the persons place of employment that prohibited possession.

 

Angus

 

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On 10/18/2019 at 11:53 AM, Calamity Kris said:

 

A coworker stopped at the local grocery store on her way home from work.  Broad daylight on a Tuesday evening, not in a bad part of town.   The store is on the main road, lots of traffic and many people doing the same thing.  As she exited her car, she saw a man learning on the wall outside the store but away from the entrance. 

 

In this situation, the Co-worker was aware of a possible situation and would have had time to

'be ready' for the aggressor.

 

..........Widder

 

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5 hours ago, Texas Maverick said:

You might want to check with your local or state laws. When I worked at FedEx as a consultant they had the same rules about not having a firearm in your vehicle on their property. They were told this wasn't allowed and people could have them in the vehicles as long as they kept them locked up until they left the property.. Just a thought that might be the same there.

 

TM

 

In this case Federal statutes trump local laws. 

 

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