The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Is this an updated/next generation XL650? https://www.dillonprecision.com/xl750-reloader_8_1_26745.html OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Dillon sez yes. but, they won't take used 550s in on trade... drat... woulda saved me the hassle of selling mine off. I like that the primer system is more like the 550B, tho' they say they're not interchangeable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Got a 450 and 550B. That's 1000, ain't it? Everytime I use one I feel the handle is on the wrong side. Any time I use a single station press, I pull with my left hand and feed with right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 they don't even list the 650 any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Grizzly Dave said: they don't even list the 650 any more. You're 'rite', they don't......... For folks that run a 650, how is the XL750 'mo-better'? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 No more primer tube detonations. Well that sure makes reloading boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Just now, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: You're 'rite', they don't......... For folks that run a 650, how is the XL750 'mo-better'? OLG Just guessing it is the primer system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L said: No more primer tube detonations. Well that sure makes reloading boring. I've been run'n a D/550 since 1987. Never had any such issue......... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 minute ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I've been run'n a D/550 since 1987. Never had any such issue......... OLG I also have never had that problem with my 550. The 650 has been exciting twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L said: I also have never had that problem with my 550. The 650 has been exciting twice. I can live forever without that kind of 'excitement'........ OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 29 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: I've been run'n a D/550 since 1987. Never had any such issue......... OLG Simply means you haven’t had the experience. Does not make one wiser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 1, 2019 Author Share Posted August 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 said: Simply means you haven’t had the experience. Does not make one wiser. What was/is the cause for the primer tube to blow? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 From reading the Book of Face the 750 has a new priming system that's much easier to swap large to small and back again. They've also modified the shell advancement system to make it much smoother. The new priming system required modification of the press frame and is therefore NOT able to be retrofit to older presses. The shell system IS able to be retrofit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 BTW OLG, they have a "chat" feature on their webpage, that's where I went and asked your question. And mine. Like you, I've been using a 550B since 1987 and love it and the second one I got about 2007! And would've upgrated to the 650 many years ago, except for that primer system. I still don't under stand how they can pop... I've crushed primers from the side, crinkled the cup down to next to nothing, and never had one pop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Looks like they went to the 550 primer setup instead of the rotary like the 650 GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Grafs still show the 650 available in most calibers. They have the 750 listed but 3-5 week delivery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 39 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: What was/is the cause for the primer tube to blow? OLG It was brass with a tight primer pocket. Seated the primer it was a bit tight and boom. I can't remember the brand brass right now. 38 Special. With some extra special in it. Double cannelur. Possible military brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 2, 2019 Author Share Posted August 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Marshal TKD, Sass # 36984L said: It was brass with a tight primer pocket. Seated the primer it was a bit tight and boom. I can't remember the brand brass right now. 38 Special. With some extra special in it. Double cannelur. Possible military brass. Loaded thousands and thousands of 38 on mine, with all brands of brass and primer. Head scratcher....... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 The thing I don’t understand is how the primer tube blows up. The primer that is Bri f seated is several spaces in the primer rotor away from the tube. Would have to “chain fire” it’s way around. While I know that it has happened, seems like a remote possibility. And yes, I’ve crushed primers sideways, upside down. Had them catch on edge and split them in 2. Only primer I ever popped was on my LEE Loadmaster, and that was totally my fault. Something was hung up and I gave it a little pop and POW!!!! Scared the begeebers out of me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelve mile REB Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Hoss, I also said that a chain fire wasn't going to happen in a 650. Well, within a couple of thousand rounds of that statement here on the wire I touched off 100 federal magnum small pistol. Quite a show I can tell you but the containment vessel worked great. Took out both my overhead lights but otherwise was just noise. Dillon replaced the primer feed and I was back in business but a quite a bit more careful seating the primer. Don't know how many rounds I have loaded on the 650 but from 10 to 20 thousand each year since 1992 or 1993. So for me (knock on wood) its a very rare occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Reb - Had two primers (small pistol Federals) go off in the 650 I USED to run to load .38 special. I don't load .38 special and I don't run 650s anymore. Primers I am sure detonated while seating, and ran around the feed plate and up into the primer tube. Possibly S&B brass tight primer pockets, but one was commercial Winchester brass for sure. Good to see they have gone to the one primer at a time out of the feed tube for the 750! Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Eye Jim Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Does this mean that the 900 is due for an upgrade next? Doesn't use the same primer system as the 650? It uses the same base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I had about 40 primers go off a few years ago in my 650, It scared the he!! out me. The misses was upstairs and wanted to know if I was all right . The picture is the primer tube and it was hard to get out. The shell plate was also affected , had to return it to Dillon once they sent me parts. Nawlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I’m surprised Dillion didn’t (or maybe hasn’t yet!) figured out a refit for the 650 primer system. Of course they may be hoping lots of folks will buy a new 750. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Dillon sure knows who runs MY house! They sent the promo video to HER email! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isom Dart, SASS#8096 Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Maybe the newcomers will start off on the 750's. You know ,,,, the ones that are upgrading, or want to go to a progressive "blue" machine .I've been using a 650 for about 15 years. I can't understand for the life of me how primers can go off in the tube. I know it does, but don't understand how. 99.8% of the primers I use are CCI and I've crushed quite a few all kind of ways. I use Federal's for S/G because that's usually what my LGS has. B/P all the way, except for the modern stuff. Isom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totes Magoats Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Typically, I like to have the latest and greatest. I just don't see anything in the 750 that would make me want to sell my 650 just to get the 750. I will buy a few extra raffle tickets to win one though. Would be nice to have both so I don't have to swap primer systems between large and small. Totes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 Aw Heck. I'm lazy and I admit it. I also whine alot. So after about the 10th time I whined about changing over from "Large" primes to "Small" primers, my sweetheart just looked up a said "So just get another loader and quit whining." Therefore I have been loading on a pair of Dillon 650s for a long long time. I see no reason to change em out. Many hundred thousands of rounds with nary a problem except a few warn parts. KEEPERS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 2, 2019 Share Posted August 2, 2019 I haven't a clue how to change out the primer size on a 650 but there is a short cut to changing over on a 550. Just change the primer post and the tube. Everything else stays bolted down and adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Aw Heck. I'm lazy and I admit it. I also whine alot. So after about the 10th time I whined about changing over from "Large" primes to "Small" primers, my sweetheart just looked up a said "So just get another loader and quit whining." Therefore I have been loading on a pair of Dillon 650s for a long long time. I see no reason to change em out. Many hundred thousands of rounds with nary a problem except a few warn parts. KEEPERS!!! This is what I plan to do. I load .38 special and .32 H&R magnum on my 650. I’m expanding into.45 lc, .45 lc BP, and .45 ACP. The perfect excuse to get a 750 with three toolheads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Capt. BB ABSOLUTELY (Stolen famous movie line) PS: Forgot to add, I also have a dedicated Tool Head with Dies and Powder Measure for each cartridge I load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said: I haven't a clue how to change out the primer size on a 650 but there is a short cut to changing over on a 550. Just change the primer post and the tube. Everything else stays bolted down and adjusted. How I've done mine for over 30 years now. X2 on dedicated tool heads for each caliber. I even have a couple of spares....... Starting to wonder if maybe Dillon's lawyers told them to make changes to the 650. Like when Dillon went to the scissors linkage on the PM's. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliefoxEsquire Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Yes, extremely shocking. Dillon sent me everything necessary immediately. Which was nice. It is interesting that this has happened enough to replace the 650 entirely with a new model. Lets see if Dillon makes me/us and offer I cannot refuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 It’s kinda surprising they did not figure out a retro-fit for 650s from a product liability standpoint. I’m going to keep going with my 650 unless they make an offer I can’t refuse. I see see no value in the variable speed case feeder. That seems to be just fluff to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted August 3, 2019 Author Share Posted August 3, 2019 Now I wonder how long D will 'support' the 650 with parts etc. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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