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Article about a guy busted for illegal guns. However, this jumps out at you.

 

“Simply put, there is no reason that a person with good intentions would require a silencer,” Ryan said in a statement. “Those devices are strictly made for violent and insidious purposes.”

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/state-police-seize-major-firearms-cache-in-shirley/ar-BBPefpP?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

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The birthplace of freedom is now the death place of freedom? Something like that? Apparently... :huh:

 

By themselves, "unlicensed firearms" is one thing and should not be any kind of a thing. In most free states licenses are not required to have firearms in this country. A loaded firearm? Big deal. Again no problem in most free states in this country. The amount of firearms? No big deal. Thousands of rounds of ammo? No big deal. A whole bunch of hype about nada. The gun hating media will always sensationalize what it 

 

A. Does not understand

B. Fears.

C. Hates.

 

without remorse or any journalistic integrity. To the anti gun leftist media a box of 50 .22 shells means 50 dead kids. That's the type of mentality involved. 

 

No such thing a "high capacity weapons" either as quoted in article.  Perfect example of anti gun speak and ignorance.

 

Now, a Class 3 NFA weapon is entirely another legal issue. Manufacturing or possessing one without the proper NFA paperwork and tax stamp is a big No-No. Manufacturing supressors? Yup. A big deal. That can get you in a heap of trouble without the proper government paperwork and NFA approval for manufacturing these devices. Possession of a suppressor without the same NFA approval is also not good for the individual.

 

I wonder why a search warrant was executed? Is that something normally done in conjunction with what he was charged?

 

And to the ownership and use of surpressors... Hearing conservation attempt by using a surpressors is now insidious? Wow. 

 

Typical. 

 

Oh, and it IS an MSN article, so go figure.

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Dantankerous said:

The birthplace of freedom is now the death place of freedom? Something like that? Apparently... :huh:

 

By themselves, "unlicensed firearms" is one thing and should not be any kind of a thing. In most free states licenses are not required to have firearms in this country. A loaded firearm? Big deal. Again no problem in most free states in this country. The amount of firearms? No big deal. Thousands of rounds of ammo? No big deal. A whole bunch of hype about nada. The gun hating media will always sensationalize what it 

 

A. Does not understand

B. Fears.

C. Hates.

 

without remorse or any journalistic integrity. To the anti gun leftist media a box of 50 .22 shells means 50 dead kids. That's the type of mentality involved. 

 

No such thing a "high capacity weapons" either as quoted in article.  Perfect example of anti gun speak and ignorance.

 

Now, a Class 3 NFA weapon is entirely another legal issue. Manufacturing or possessing one without the proper NFA paperwork and tax stamp is a big No-No. Manufacturing supressors? Yup. A big deal. That can get you in a heap of trouble without the proper government paperwork and NFA approval for manufacturing these devices. Possession of a suppressor without the same NFA approval is also not good for the individual.

 

I wonder why a search warrant was executed? Is that something normally done in conjunction with what he was charged?

 

And to the ownership and use of surpressors... Hearing conservation attempt by using a surpressors is now insidious? Wow. 

 

Typical. 

 

  • Oh, and it IS an MSN article, so go figure.

 

 

 

 

Just for context:

 

In MA:

 

- We do not license firearms; we do, however, license owners, and it is illegal to own any firearm unless you hold the appropriate type of license;

- MA does define "large capacity weapons"(not "high capacity" weapons), and "assault weapons"; remember, MA is the only state that continues to enforce (and exceed) the Clinton Gun Ban, incorporating it into State law;

- All individually owned silencers are illegal in MA; no exceptions for sporting use or hearing protection.

 

I agree wholeheartedly that the press routinely fails to act as a guardian of truth in these cases; they apparently are not concerned with truth or accuracy unless the target of the police action is someone whose politics they favor.

 

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In a free country you wouldn't have the NFA either. If a cop can have a full auto firearm, I can have one too. The criminal will always have what he wants; only law-abiding folks obey gun laws. I have never had a firearm permit of any kind nor have I ever been licensed in any way for a firearm.  I always laugh when Gibbs or other tv cops ask about permits. 

 

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8 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

How  does a silencer make a gun “more deadly” (whatever that means)? It softens the report, but doesn’t silence, so therefore it’s “more deadly”? 

 

I'm still trying to determine what random arbitrary quantity defines the difference between standard and high capacity...

 

 

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2 hours ago, Dantankerous said:

 

I'm still trying to determine what random arbitrary quantity defines the difference between standard and high capacity...

 

 

Media's ability to count plus one= high Cap, often less than ten

 

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That reminds me of a story on the news years ago. Now my wife was raised in Chicago, and had never been around firearms before she met me, but she was still Pro2A. Anyway, we were watching the news and they were talking about the police stopping someone and breathlessly recounting how he had hundreds of rounds of ammo in the vehicle. Out of the blue, my wife looks at me and grins and says, "Huh. Hundreds. How cute." ....that's my girl.

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18 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

How  does a silencer make a gun “more deadly” (whatever that means)? It softens the report, but doesn’t silence, so therefore it’s “more deadly”? 

Because Ryan is a DA & his only knowledge of suppressors comes from Hollywood.  Only individuals that educate themselves on the function & design of suppressors know that the statement is BS.

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6 minutes ago, J.D. Daily said:

Because Ryan is a DA & his only knowledge of suppressors comes from Hollywood.  Only individuals that educate themselves on the function & design of suppressors know that the statement is BS.

Ain't that the truth. The people I've talked to including some gun-friendly types, think the soft "pop" as portrayed by Hollywood (no louder than a kernel of popcorn) is reality. I was surprised by the report the first time I heard a suppressed gun fired.

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52 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

 I was surprised by the report the first time I heard a suppressed gun fired.

 

All depends on the caliber and ammo, subsonic or supersonic.

 

The 300 Blackout suppressed with 220 grain subsonic ammo is very quiet. Sometimes the action of the gun sounds louder  then the  darn near non-existent muzzle blast. 120 grain supersonic, not so much but tons better than unsupressed, especally from a 9 inch barrel.

 

9mm and 45 acp can be very quiet. Quiet enought no hearing protection required. 22 subsonic suppressed is a whisper.

 

300 Win mag supressed, well, still kinda loud.

 

At least that's been my experience.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, J.D. Daily said:

Because Ryan is a DA & his only knowledge of suppressors comes from Hollywood.  Only individuals that educate themselves on the function & design of suppressors know that the statement is BS.

 

Um, that would be "her" knowledge.  Marian is a she.  But she is, as you observe, less than knowledgeable on the topics of firearms and suppressors.  She runs a heck of a press conference, however.

 

LL

 

 

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6 hours ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said:

 

Um, that would be "her" knowledge.  Marian is a she.  But she is, as you observe, less than knowledgeable on the topics of firearms and suppressors.  She runs a heck of a press conference, however.

 

LL

 

 

 

Sometimes today, a he can be a she and a she a he so how are we supposed to really know?

 

:huh:

 

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On ‎11‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 12:50 AM, Red Cent said:

Article about a guy busted for illegal guns. However, this jumps out at you.

 

“Simply put, there is no reason that a person with good intentions would require a silencer,” Ryan said in a statement. “Those devices are strictly made for violent and insidious purposes.”

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/state-police-seize-major-firearms-cache-in-shirley/ar-BBPefpP?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

 

So would that mean that the suppressors I bought to mount on our Tactical Team's tools makes them evil?

And here I thought they were to prevent possible hearing damage if they had to fire when doing a dynamic entry.

Lord! Now I feel stupid.

Oh. Wait.

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20 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

Ain't that the truth. The people I've talked to including some gun-friendly types, think the soft "pop" as portrayed by Hollywood (no louder than a kernel of popcorn) is reality. I was surprised by the report the first time I heard a suppressed gun fired.

 

In the movies it's not even a soft "pop"... just a quiet "pew" sound that no suppressed firearm I ever witnessed sounded like. Allegedly so quiet that a person standing in the hallway around the corner still can't hear it. :rolleyes:

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My Grandson builds highly accurate custom rifles. Primarily for long range hunting. All of his personal weapons have cans and there is a can on any gun that either of his daughters shoot. 

He has a hard time understandiung how a person will spend seveal thousands of dollars on equipemnt and then whine line a little baby about the $200 that a tax stamp costs. 

 

Last I checked a basic pair of hearing aids will set you back at least $2500.00 plus at least $100 a year in batteries.

 

 

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What if I need to shoot an armed burglar, but I don't want to wake the wife?

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On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 1:24 PM, StirrupTrouble said:

That reminds me of a story on the news years ago. Now my wife was raised in Chicago, and had never been around firearms before she met me, but she was still Pro2A. Anyway, we were watching the news and they were talking about the police stopping someone and breathlessly recounting how he had hundreds of rounds of ammo in the vehicle. Out of the blue, my wife looks at me and grins and says, "Huh. Hundreds. How cute." ....that's my girl.

I like that. A few years back an ex employee from work was busted with drugs and the newspaper stated that he had 4 firearms with him. One of the ladies in the breakroom mentioned as I was walking by that he had a lot of guns. I said " A lot! He had 4. I have about 80". It sort of stopped her in her tracks.

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20 hours ago, South-Eye Ned said:

What if I need to shoot an armed burglar, but I don't want to wake the wife?

 

In my case, if the wife gets jarred awake I won't even need a gun. I'll probably be running out of the house along with the burglar! :wacko:

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23 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

My Grandson builds highly accurate custom rifles. Primarily for long range hunting. All of his personal weapons have cans and there is a can on any gun that either of his daughters shoot. 

He has a hard time understandiung how a person will spend seveal thousands of dollars on equipemnt and then whine line a little baby about the $200 that a tax stamp costs. 

 

Last I checked a basic pair of hearing aids will set you back at least $2500.00 plus at least $100 a year in batteries.

 

 

For me it's more about the ridiculous wait time for the approval. I can walk into any dealership and purchase a $20,000 car, equipped with a silencer btw... and leave with it that day. But a silencer bought over the counter at a gun store gets put in the safe in the back for 6-8 months till the idiots at ATF finally get to your paperwork and call the FBI and determine you do not have a criminal record.

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On ‎11‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 7:16 PM, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said:

How  does a silencer make a gun “more deadly” (whatever that means)? It softens the report, but doesn’t silence, so therefore it’s “more deadly”? 

If you fatally shoot some one, it makes them more dead.  Better question would be why was it necessary to shoot him/her. 

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2 hours ago, Ranger Dan said:

For me it's more about the ridiculous wait time for the approval. I can walk into any dealership and purchase a $20,000 car, equipped with a silencer btw... and leave with it that day. But a silencer bought over the counter at a gun store gets put in the safe in the back for 6-8 months till the idiots at ATF finally get to your paperwork and call the FBI and determine you do not have a criminal record.

 

Around here one of the local gun ranges sells suppressors. If you buy one they will keep it in their safe while the paperwork grinds through the mill of beaurocacy.  Until the paperwork clears they allow you to check out your supressor and use while you are at the range. When you are done for the day you check it back in.  Makes the wait less painful.

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2 hours ago, Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 said:

If you fatally shoot some one, it makes them more dead.  Better question would be why was it necessary to shoot him/her. 

 

I can live with being dead, but being more dead from a silencer is too horrible to comprehend...

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16 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

Around here one of the local gun ranges sells suppressors. If you buy one they will keep it in their safe while the paperwork grinds through the mill of beaurocacy.  Until the paperwork clears they allow you to check out your supressor and use while you are at the range. When you are done for the day you check it back in.  Makes the wait less painful.

We have the same LGS here. It's only 10 minutes from my home and I visit them frequently. Still won't buy a suppressor till they are removed from the nfa. The bureaucratic delay that is the "tax stamp" process is just too much for me to accept. If they would rely on the instant background check system like any other firearm, I would have several by now. After all it is nothing but a dang muffler.

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On 11/2/2018 at 9:50 PM, Red Cent said:

Article about a guy busted for illegal guns. However, this jumps out at you.

 

“Simply put, there is no reason that a person with good intentions would require a silencer,” Ryan said in a statement. “Those devices are strictly made for violent and insidious purposes.”

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/state-police-seize-major-firearms-cache-in-shirley/ar-BBPefpP?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

Key word is "require".

 

Nobody "requires" a lot of things: fast cars, big trucks, kayaks, power lawn mowers, microwave ovens, golf clubs, motorcycles, etcdamncetera, but they want then and as long as they can afford them and no one is getting hurt or has to pays for them we should be allowed to have them.  If you misuse one or more of them then YOU, not the entire population, should pay the penalty.

 

The only people who should "require" a "silencer" are loud-mouth, over the edge, socialist-communist politicians and news media morons and a lot of so-caled educators running around unchecked.

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Forty Rod gets an AMEN!!!!!!!

 

:D

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