PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) ROC RULING CARPENTER/PAINTER PANTS = ACCEPTABLE CARGO PANTS = NOT !! History of the basic designs Carpenter/painter pants are basically overalls without the bib or suspenders which date to the 1700s as working outerwear. "Cargo pants" are based on 1938 British military design with the leg pockets for carrying battle gear (wound dressings) TOP = CARPENTER PANTS = LEGAL BOTTOM = CARGO PANTS = ILLEGAL Edited December 4, 2016 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Not being a fashion expert are there any photos demonstrating what you are talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Makes sense to me, but still like suspenders with my pants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 Not being a fashion expert are there any photos demonstrating what you are talking about? Edited post Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?" Mixing CAS with "tacti-cool"?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 Edited post Mixing CAS with "tacti-cool"?? Tacti-CAS? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 (edited) SASS-ti-cool...NOT! Talkin' about the Cargo pants Edited December 5, 2016 by Pat Riot, SASS #13748 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 I found some carpenter pants that are made of same material as the pants my uncle gave me in RVN only color is 'natural' Took the belt loops off and wear with suspenders. Great in Texas heat and humidity cr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop". But that has NOT been verified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C0ckr0ach, SASS #26100 Posted December 4, 2016 Share Posted December 4, 2016 without the hammer loop, pants seem to be just rust colored jeans ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 4, 2016 Author Share Posted December 4, 2016 without the hammer loop, pants seem to be just rust colored jeans ? Pretty much...that's one of the reasons why they are OK. The cargo/BDUs are NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'm guessing some colors are legal and some not. kR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'm guessing some colors are legal and some not. kR Color did not enter into the discussion. Which ones would not be legal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) . Which ones would not be legal? Pink with purple colored spots? Unless of course your alias is an 1870's clown Edited December 5, 2016 by Major Crimes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Please wear Pants!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop". But that has NOT been verified. it's a tomahawk loop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Camo. kR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) Camo. kR That is covered in the RO3 manual. ...also in the SHB p.3 Edited December 5, 2016 by PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 (edited) I was recently informed that Tex prefers removal of the "hammer loop". But that has NOT been verified. Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot. I did not press the discussion as to why. Edited December 5, 2016 by Ace_of_Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 If it don't have a loop onna pants leg, where ya gonna hang yer beer cozy?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. George Baylor SASS#24287L Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Why would anyone actually want to wear "cargo pants?" Well, I found them useful in Vietnam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot. I did not press the discussion as to why. That is an opinion that has not been confirmed. Since this most recent ROC clarification states that Carpenter pants and overalls are LEGAL (without any modifications) there is no requirement to remove the "tomahawk" loop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancho Roy Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 The carpenter pants with the "folding ruler" pocket on the right leg-rear is perfect to put your loading strip! Remove hammer loop and belt loops. Add suspender buttons.......Good to go and looking sharp! I just bought a few pair at WalMart for $18 a pair....Heavy canvas in Light Brown, Dark Brown and Tan.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern. REF: post #1 re: "History..." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Are bib overalls period correct? I've been wanting to get a pair, but thought they were more modern. I've worn them before, I figured it was my best chance to be the overall champion Randy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Sam, SASS #34718L Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 Both Tex and Cat told me that if had a loop on the leg it was illegal. This was at a dinner at a State shoot. I did not press the discussion as to why. Well if the dude is carrying a Tomahawk in that loop.... Tex can tell him its Illegal, Cuz I sure Aint 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Scratch Posted December 10, 2016 Share Posted December 10, 2016 Do these pants make my butt look Big? Chicken Scratch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted December 10, 2016 Author Share Posted December 10, 2016 Do these pants make my butt look Big? Chicken Scratch It ain't the pants! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ventura Slim, SASS #35690 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Mine is the opposite problem so its baggy. I cannot see well enough to sew on buttons so going b western with a silver belt buckle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I was under the assumption that pants were supposed to have a button fly, but after examining these have found that they have zipper fly. What would I do, remove the zipper and shoot with a gap, or bring back the safety pin. Should we consider opening a new class for zipper fly shooters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracker Jack Daniels,58780 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 Where in the rules does it state pants need to have button flies? What book, what page? We don't need another category to accomodate a phantom rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 (edited) Where in the rules does it state pants need to have button flies? What book, what page? We don't need another category to accomodate a phantom rule. To be Period Correct. All the True West seem to have button fly. Why does Levi have 501? Edited December 24, 2016 by Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I can see it now! Visualize the MD asking for fly inspection volunteers to go into the crowd and check everyone's crotch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 Posted December 24, 2016 Share Posted December 24, 2016 I can see it now! Visualize the MD asking for fly inspection volunteers to go into the crowd and check everyone's crotch. That could be added to SPOTTER'S responsibilities. Shouldn't slow the Shoot down as this could also be done at the loading table, much like looking at guns to make sure they are properly loaded. Just a quick glance would suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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