Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Anyone tried these? I picked up 1300 for $65.00 out the door at my LGS Quote
Jack Spade Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I have shot over 5k of them. I use them in my practice rounds to save money. My rifle doesn't like them as I have it set up for federals but they work fine in my pistols. They are just a little harder to seat than primers made in the USA and sometimes I have to push the handle a second time to seat them all the way. I know some guys that have been shooting them in matches and they do fine. I could probably make my rifle shoot them if I tightened the hammer spring just a tad but I don't want to change it. 1 Quote
BenW Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I've been shooting Genex small pistol primers for the last several years, got a good deal on several thousand of them. I'm very satisfied with the performance with no misfires I can remember. They seem to seat well in my mixed brand .38 and .357 brass, also 9mm. I have no reservations about using them. They work well in my Cowboy handguns and rifle. 1 Quote
Leroy Luck Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I use the small rifle for 223 and 300 blackout and will use them for others in the future. Haven’t had any problems thus far. Would buy more if the price was right. 1 Quote
Tell Sackett SASS 18436 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 3 to 4% failure rate in our pistols with lightened springs! 1 Quote
Tell Sackett SASS 18436 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Just now, Eyesa Horg said: That's pretty high! That’s what I thought!! Main reason I stopped selling them! Along with Sevicios Adventuras! 2 1 Quote
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 13 Posted January 13 I got some Ginex small rifle primers (should be same as SP) from Tell way back, just to try them out. Only loaded 100. Okay in the pistols, but I had to crank up the strain screw a little on the '73. My current use for them is some primed empty cases that I use for testing guns when I'm messing with springs. If they will pop the Ginex, I know they will be fine with the Federals that I normally use plus a bit of insurance. 1 Quote
Tarheel Doc Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I have found them harder to seat with my Dillon press 1 Quote
Wild Eagle Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I have used quite a few of these over the years in my semi auto pistols. If you're planning on using them in competition guns with lightened hammer springs you'll probably have some problems. They're as hard or harder than CCI. In my semi autos with factory hammer springs I can't tell the difference between the Ginex and CCI. They also chronograph pretty close to the CCI. 2 2 Quote
Dapper Dynamite Dick Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) been using them for over a year now in .38 spl, .38 super, .44 ma, .45 Colt & .45 acp. As this seems all we can buy in Western Canada. Only problem seating is with .45 acp military brass. Edited January 14 by Dapper Dynamite Dick 1 Quote
Frederick Jackson Turner Posted January 14 Posted January 14 I purchased several lots during the covid interregnum, and still have some left rattling around my loading room. I found very inconsistent results using these, with Fail To Fire rate at around 5%. In addition, the brisance, or the forceful effect of the explosion generated by the primers, appears to be inconsistent, as well as less forceful than the Federal/Remington/Winchester brands with which I am accustomed to using. Accordingly, they do work better out of longer barrels, so I use them only in rifles, and only in practice. Cheers, FJT Quote
Captain Bill Burt Posted January 14 Posted January 14 18 hours ago, Tell Sackett SASS 18436 said: 3 to 4% failure rate in our pistols with lightened springs! Yuck. I can't imagine dealing with 4-6 bad primers per match. 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Yuck. I can't imagine dealing with 4-6 bad primers per match. How do we know it's the primers, and not the gun? 1 Quote
Captain Bill Burt Posted January 14 Posted January 14 2 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: How do we know it's the primers, and not the gun? Multiple people reporting problems. 1 1 Quote
Eyesa Horg Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Almost 1 per stage would get old really quick. 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 14 Posted January 14 2 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Multiple people reporting problems. With factory strength hammer springs? Quote
Captain Bill Burt Posted January 14 Posted January 14 (edited) 22 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: With factory strength hammer springs? What does that have to do with anything? I count five people on this thread that are reporting problems. What percentage of cowboy shooters are running stock springs and who wants to retrofit his guns to factory springs just to save a penny per primer? It would be different if Federals were in short supply, but they aren't. Edited January 14 by Captain Bill Burt 1 Quote
Sheriff Dill Posted January 14 Posted January 14 1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said: Almost 1 per stage would get old really quick. Not to mention the misses right 😁 1 Quote
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted January 14 Posted January 14 Towards the end of the community organizer WH, I got a few thousand to see how they functioned. Rifle with lightened springs had about the same FTF as others have mentioned, about 3-4%. Decided not for CAS so tried in a couple of my 9mm pistols and were just fine, one FTF out of 1000, and on closer examination found it was not totally seated and a bit high. Still have about 1000 left and use in my 9mm, to stretch my Federals for cowboy. Conclusion was…. Factory springs fine, Lightened springs not worth the risk. YMMV Regards Gateway Kid 3 1 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life said: Towards the end of the community organizer WH, I got a few thousand to see how they functioned. Rifle with lightened springs had about the same FTF as others have mentioned, about 3-4%. Decided not for CAS so tried in a couple of my 9mm pistols and were just fine, one FTF out of 1000, and on closer examination found it was not totally seated and a bit high. Still have about 1000 left and use in my 9mm, to stretch my Federals for cowboy. Conclusion was…. Factory springs fine, Lightened springs not worth the risk. YMMV Regards Gateway Kid Kinda what I thought the findings would be. Sounds like they have hard cup for automatic weapon fire. Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 15 Posted January 15 2 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: What does that have to do with anything? I count five people on this thread that are reporting problems. What percentage of cowboy shooters are running stock springs and who wants to retrofit his guns to factory springs just to save a penny per primer? It would be different if Federals were in short supply, but they aren't. Apples to onions. Bet these primers are made to NATO specs and not for SASS use. I have seen this with other European made primers. 1 1 Quote
watab kid Posted January 15 Posted January 15 3 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: Almost 1 per stage would get old really quick. that would suck big time , id not deal with it , 1 Quote
Captain Bill Burt Posted January 15 Posted January 15 40 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Apples to onions. Bet these primers are made to NATO specs and not for SASS use. I have seen this with other European made primers. Maybe so! 1 Quote
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 15 Author Posted January 15 I use Federals or Remingtons for my rifles. My Colts fire anything and they’re lightened up but I’ve never had a problem, well maybe one in a thousand if that! I’ll let ya’ll know when I try these primers out.🤠 1 Quote
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted January 15 Posted January 15 What I understand if your firearms pops, CCi they will pop Unis. At least I hope that is the case. I purchased 5000 Large Pistol. 2 Quote
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 15 Posted January 15 21 minutes ago, Bailey Creek,5759 said: What I understand if your firearms pops, CCi they will pop Unis. At least I hope that is the case. I purchased 5000 Large Pistol. PLEASE, keep us updated on your results with these primers. 2 Quote
Kid Rich Posted January 16 Posted January 16 19 hours ago, Bailey Creek,5759 said: What I understand if your firearms pops, CCi they will pop Unis. At least I hope that is the case. I purchased 5000 Large Pistol. I use them in my non CAS guns, they work every time. In testing primers only I have noticed no difference in amount of flame from primer to primer. kR 2 Quote
Longfoot Posted January 16 Posted January 16 Interesting. I've been through close to 3k without any FTF in .38sp. In a Marlin 94 with a LongHunter hammer spring/pin and slightly lightened, but apparently still primer agnostic, New Vaqueros. 1 Quote
Major E A Sterner #12916 Posted January 17 Posted January 17 I've used them for a couple years, Only time I had a problem was when my rifle was real dirty and I would get FTF, I tried those in my pistols and they fired.I'm shooting 3 screw .357 Blackhawks with 15 Lb springs and a pair of Jimmy Spurs Bisley Vaqueros. Rifle is an Uberti 66. 1 Quote
Longfoot Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Have any of you, who have tried the Ginex, also tried Fiocchi Small Pistol? If so, how did they compare? Which was the softer, easier to ignite? Quote
Kid Rich Posted January 17 Posted January 17 Fiocci by a large margin. The only CAS guns we have that have a problem igniting Fiocci primers are a couple pairs of Ruger 32's that have been short stroked. kR 1 Quote
Cholla Bob Posted January 18 Posted January 18 Jack Spade turned me onto these and they work fine in my guns, with over 5000 used both brass finish and nickle finish. My pistols and Marlin (both 38's) have lighter not ultra light springs, I also shoot them in my 9mm competition guns without issue. I will say that for bigger matches I use Federals. I have used a variety of European primers Tula, Fiocchi, Wolf and they are all a gnats rear end bigger than American made primers and do not seat with the ease of their American counterparts. If you are used to the ease of priming with American primers they will not be for you. Quote
Sheriff Dill Posted January 18 Posted January 18 15 hours ago, Cholla Bob said: Jack Spade turned me onto these and they work fine in my guns, with over 5000 used both brass finish and nickle finish. My pistols and Marlin (both 38's) have lighter not ultra light springs, I also shoot them in my 9mm competition guns without issue. I will say that for bigger matches I use Federals. I have used a variety of European primers Tula, Fiocchi, Wolf and they are all a gnats rear end bigger than American made primers and do not seat with the ease of their American counterparts. If you are used to the ease of priming with American primers they will not be for you. Are you hand priming or using a press.? Have you used them with a progressive. ? We have a 650 any thoughts on issues with using them with it ? Thanks SD Quote
Cholla Bob Posted January 19 Posted January 19 I use a RCBS bench primer for the euro primers. But I have friends that use both Dillon and Hornady progressive presses with them. 2 Quote
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