Sedalia Dave Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 https://dnyuz.com/2024/01/02/lapierre-longtime-n-r-a-leader-faces-trial-that-could-end-his-reign/ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4385255-nra-trial-wayne-lapierre-new-york/ 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 More Lawfare. NY used to be a fine state. NYC and a couple of other Blue cities ruined it. Born there and lived there several times. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) The first link has the more thorough story. If he'd stepped down years ago the NRA would be in far better shape. The fundraising stats really tell the whole story-- longtime supporters have long been turned off by his rule. We see this repeated throughout history, in all sorts of contexts. The good and effective leader stays on far too long. He comes to identify himself with the organization. Corruption ensues. As Lord Acton said, "Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Edited January 4 by Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 13 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Long list of good things the NRA has done for our tiny club in Montana with no possibility of financial or political gain. I'll stay on board. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I'm still and will stay a member. But it'd be good to see LaPierre gone and fresh leadership come on board. 11 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I am a life member. Numerous times I have been offered upgrades to Benefactor and such. I pass. I donate to the NRA, the PVF and the ILA, but I do not think I will upgrade until some things change. If it weren’t for the NRA we’d all be shooting guns of the 1800’s, not the 1900’s and 2000’s. Pun intended. Many people rail against the organization due to the actions of one man. One man is not the NRA. I am…and so are many like me. So are many of you. In the past, present and hopefully into the future. Because of that one man the Left and the haters of our Constitution and our freedom think that the internal rebellion that infects the NRA is actually their doing. Much of it is, but until LaPierre is gone the NRA is weakened. He needs to go so that the NRA can once again rise and do what it has done for decades. Fight for the freedom for Americans to keep and bear arms to thwart tyranny and to exercise their rights as free Americans. 9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted January 4 Author Share Posted January 4 23 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: I am a life member. Numerous times I have been offered upgrades to Benefactor and such. I pass. I donate to the NRA, the PVF and the ILA, but I do not think I will upgrade until some things change. If it weren’t for the NRA we’d all be shooting guns of the 1800’s, not the 1900’s and 2000’s. Pun intended. Many people rail against the organization due to the actions of one man. One man is not the NRA. I am…and so are many like me. So are many of you. In the past, present and hopefully into the future. Because of that one man the Left and the haters of our Constitution and our freedom think that the internal rebellion that infects the NRA is actually their doing. Much of it is, but until LaPierre is gone the NRA is weakened. He needs to go so that the NRA can once again rise and do what it has done for decades. Fight for the freedom for Americans to keep and bear arms to thwart tyranny and to exercise their rights as free Americans. If LaPierre truly cared about the NRA he would have stepped down. Instead he dug in his heels and did a lot of damage to the organization. 13 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 It’s too bad it has to come to this. He should have been gone long ago. Wonder what the membership would be had he not been at the helm? 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 26 minutes ago, Yul Lose said: It’s too bad it has to come to this. He should have been gone long ago. Wonder what the membership would be had he not been at the helm? It definitely would be better. But looking at it from the glass is half full perspective, allot of other pro gun organizations have stepped up to the plate and are doing some amazing work. In the end if the NRA returns to their former self maybe it will benefit the rights of Americans more than ever having multiple effective organizations 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 im a life member as well , but ive been calling for him to step down for years now , refusing to fund till he and his cronies are gone , they are crippling a needed asset in our fight against those that want to take our 2nd away , we need the work done and we need the NRA but we dont need the admin as it exists , there is a lot of funding being withheld from the organization over this , 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) I am also a NRA lifer, I’ve donated here and there but I support LaPierre to step down, he should have done it already. Sometimes the leaders of the NRA are oblivious to what their members want! They do great things though, especially NRA-ILA Edited January 4 by Rye Miles #13621 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) LaPierre will fight tooth and nail to retain his position as the "king" of the NRA. Why, you ask? For a $2,000,000++ salary + perks, most people would fight for their "job". The difference between "most people" and LaPierre is that "most people" don't have multiple clouds of corruption and funds misappropriation hanging over their heads. LaPierre only cares about two things...himself and money. If he actually cared about the NRA, gun owners and gun rights, he would have stepped down years ago. Instead, he and his cronies have spent tens of millions of YOUR donations/membership fees on legal fees in a (so far) successful attempt to retain their leadership titles and salaries. Sadly and ominously, the NRA is a shadow of it's former self. For the NRA to once again become the leader in 2nd Amendment advocacy, LaPierre has to go...and go NOW before it's too late to repair the damage done by LaPierre and his pals. Edited January 4 by Cypress Sun 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Will the NRA pay his legal fees? Anyone know?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 7 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Will the NRA pay his legal fees? Anyone know?? We will, one way or another. Get him out! 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 We have been all along. Why would they stop now? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 There is too much money involved on both the pro-gun and anti-gun sides. Most of the organizations (again on both sides) do not want a decisive ruling, partly because they aren't completely confident that they will win and if they do win a decisive victory in court, there will no longer be a need for the organization or their well paying jobs. Or perhaps I have become too cynical 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Pat Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I seem to remember that after Tom Selleck the NRA was going to get Ollie North to come on board. as their spokesperson. I helped put on NRA banquets for years in our area before COVID. The NRA field rep told me that LaPierre did not want Ollie exposing what was going on 5 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 3 minutes ago, Chantry said: There is too much money involved on both the pro-gun and anti-gun sides. Most of the organizations (again on both sides) do not want a decisive ruling, partly because they aren't completely confident that they will win and if they do win a decisive victory in court, there will no longer be a need for the organization or their well paying jobs. Or perhaps I have become too cynical So you’re saying both sides want to keep the lawsuits going? That is pretty cynical. I would think both sides would want to win so they can use that for more donations. That’s pretty cynical too ha ha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 7 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: So you’re saying both sides want to keep the lawsuits going? That is pretty cynical. I would think both sides would want to win so they can use that for more donations. That’s pretty cynical too ha ha I'm saying neither side wants a decisive win. Can't fund raise very well when there is virtually no chance of winning in court. Maybe I'm not seeing or hearing it, but most of the anti-gun groups have been pretty quiet after the last couple of Supreme Court decisions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 12 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: The fundraising stats really tell the whole story-- longtime supporters have long been turned off by his rule. And I am one of those long time supporters who is turned off. I give to the others that get out and fight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 They did get North on board, but he resigned. Can't recall the issues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 4 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: They did get North on board, but he resigned. Can't recall the issues. The issues are pretty well documented and available on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 8 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: They did get North on board, but he resigned. Can't recall the issues. Ollie started exposing what was going on at the NRA and how LaPierre was misusing OUR dues and donations. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) Smacks of tv evangelists….. The problem with many large and small corporate leaders is the co-mingling of lifestyle with business. Retreats, seminars, clothing, apparel, cars, hand-outs, boats, real estate,etc- calling it all legitimate business expenses that really have no legitimate business purpose. Real estate may prove to be an asset, but in terms of generating profit, often times these non essentials are liabilities solely used as a means of expensing out business revenue to prop up lifestyle. Business revenue is used to substitute a person using their own post-tax earned income to buy their (or others) personal goods and luxuries. Plain and simple, doing such is fraud, though many call it “writing off”, when it is in fact fraudulently expensing out personal items to the business ( or non profit). But that’s my view…. Government agencies and bureaucrats are equally guilty. I’m self employed and never have just won’t do this. I figure we’re one administration away from regulatory reform, and though I’m not a big fish anyone would look out for, going back 7 years on an audit, it’s hard to sort out back that far to legitimize something as little as a fast food meal, much less an RV or $60-70k truck. He deserves all the scrutiny coming at him. It comes with the position. If he plays victim and declares a crisis, cry someone else a river…. Edited January 4 by Dirty Dan Dawkins 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I will also continue to support the NRA. I also would like to see Wayne hit the road jack. My biggest miff is that everytime I send a donation, they use it to fill my mailbox with more junk mail begging for more. Just use my donation to support 2A issues and do the begging on email instead. 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 I'm still an instructor and Chief RSO, and still contributing to the shooting sports and gun rights by training new shooters, RSOs, and supervising ranges. Regardless of what one man did, it's the best nationally recognized training out there. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stump Water Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Chantry said: There is too much money involved on both the pro-gun and anti-gun sides. Most of the organizations (again on both sides) do not want a decisive ruling, partly because they aren't completely confident that they will win and if they do win a decisive victory in court, there will no longer be a need for the organization or their well paying jobs. Or perhaps I have become too cynical Not cynical at all. 100% accurate. No fight, no lawyers, no lobbyists. Yes, the NRA does "good". But what it is far and away the best at is protecting the paychecks of it's upper echelon and the lawyers & lobbyists. I hope they clean house. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 1 hour ago, Chantry said: I'm saying neither side wants a decisive win. Can't fund raise very well when there is virtually no chance of winning in court. Maybe I'm not seeing or hearing it, but most of the anti-gun groups have been pretty quiet after the last couple of Supreme Court decisions I disagree, there's no fund raising off LaPierre, everyone can't stand the dude! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I disagree, there's no fund raising off LaPierre, everyone can't stand the dude! He comes across as a stiff, a prick, a legalistic, opportunistic bureaucrat. He may be a nice ordinary guy, but he sure doesn’t exude he can in anyway relate to the “common man.” Kinda like…never mind. Edited January 4 by Dirty Dan Dawkins 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungadin Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 My $ goes to the Second Amendment Foundation. Not that the NRA doesn't serve a purpose but until Wayne is gone.... The NRA makes a nice punching bag while 4-5 smaller groups are winning the battle behind the scenes. I think one of the Pro Gun Youtubers was right when he said that the biassed NY AG will do us a favor getting rid of Wayne 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilli GaHoot Galoot Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 If he is guilty of what they are saying he is in addtion to any possible jail time he should be forced to wear off the rack clothes from K-Mart 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gungadin Posted January 4 Share Posted January 4 Maybe he and the NJ Congressman can share a country club cell. They have caught that guy with serialized gold and they know where it was previously.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 he and his crew need to go , we need a strong NRA and he is not it , 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Something just dawned on me. A far fetched dystopian theory. Do you think perhaps someone or a political body like Soros’ is backing LaPiierre to sow seeds of discontent in the strongest pro 2A organization in the USA? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shepherd Book Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 20 hours ago, Cyrus Cassidy #45437 said: I'm still an instructor and Chief RSO, and still contributing to the shooting sports and gun rights by training new shooters, RSOs, and supervising ranges. Regardless of what one man did, it's the best nationally recognized training out there. Cyrus, I agree. Despite NYS's vendetta against the NRA, it remains the premier training agency for the average joe. I would love to cough up $2k to go to Gunsite or other training academies, but that has never been feasible. I was able to become an NRA Training Counselor.this last year, so now I can pass it on and, like you, one day leave a legacy of safer shooting sports. All because of the NRA, despite the allegations of impropriety on the part of a few. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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