Non compliance, good for them

[Buckshot Bob]

Apparently the good people of Illinois are not complying with the states unconstitutional laws 

https://crimeresearch.org/2023/12/with-2415481-foid-cards-in-illinois-only-15877-have-so-far-registered-their-firearms-and-8335-have-registered-their-accessories-such-as-large-capacity-magazines/

[Pat Riot]

Hmmm…who was it that commented on my earlier post last month when I was praising the citizens for not complying? I believe they said something like “We’ll see when the deadline nears.” 
 

Well, it’s near…
 

[Alpo]

Did you look at that picture down at the bottom? 730,000 FOIDs in Cook county, which I believe is Chicago?, and hardly any in the rest of the state. Doesn't anybody in the rest of the state own a gun?

[Buckshot Bob]

1 minute ago, Alpo said:

Did you look at that picture down at the bottom? 730,000 FOIDs in Cook county, which I believe is Chicago?, and hardly any in the rest of the state. Doesn't anybody in the rest of the state own a gun?

Compared to Cook Co the rest of the state is pretty sparsely populated. Lots of farmers, probably quite a few who don’t believe in FOID cards . 

[Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474]

The state is going to find out, what we Canadians learned: 

Registration Leads to Confiscation.

Remember that when you vote.

 

[Cypress Sun]

1 hour ago, Alpo said:

Did you look at that picture down at the bottom? 730,000 FOIDs in Cook county, which I believe is Chicago?, and hardly any in the rest of the state. Doesn't anybody in the rest of the state own a gun?

 

NO.

[Long Fingers, SASS#56813]

Population a little over 12 million in the state, 9 million in Chicago. 

Edited December 30, 2023 by Long Fingers, SASS#56813

[Buckshot Bob]

Apparently a decent percentage of the Illinois sheriff’s have said they are not going to enforce it 

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

5 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

Hmmm…who was it that commented on my earlier post last month when I was praising the citizens for not complying? I believe they said something like “We’ll see when the deadline nears.” 
 

Well, it’s near…
 

I got a feeling I know who that was but I’m not mentioning any names in case I’m wrong but it’s probably one of two people that frequently post here.

Edited December 30, 2023 by Rye Miles #13621

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

What does foid mean?

[Rip Snorter]

I believe it is Firearms Owner Identification (Card).

[Alpo]

That is the way I understand it. To own a gun in Illinois you must have a firearm owners ID - foid.

[Texas Joker]

Firearm owners ID. Gotta have it to touch a firearm in an lgs mIL. Less purchase one or buy ammo in Il.

 

It's permission from the State to perform a civil right.

 

If you say you need ID to vote they get a little bent outta shape

[Alpo]

Wonder why they have so many counties?

 

90 sheriff's aren't going to enforce it. That means at least 90 counties if they've got 90 sheriffs. I looked it up. It's 102. 90 is a pretty good percentage.

 

But we've only got 67 counties. Why do they need 102? Especially since we're bigger than them. Both in land area (about 20% larger) and in population (almost double).

[Lawdog Dago Dom]

According to the Illinois State Police (the agency that issues the FOID card) there just over 2.4 milllion FOID card holders.

 

Of those are about 300,000 concealed carry permits.

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

Interesting. We don't have FOIDs. We do have CPLs- Concealed Pistol License.

So in Illinois you need a foid to own a gun? But guns aren't registered (except for this new legislation)?

How does it work?

[Lawdog Dago Dom]

Correct. Illinois registers gun OWNERS.

 

You need a FOID card to also buy/possess ammunition.

 

Many gun stores have a policy that you must have a FOID card to just pick up a gun to check it out.

 

It was the state's knee jerk reaction to the GCA 68. They just felt they had to do something!

[Alpo]

I believe New York has a similar law.

 

And I remember many years ago reading about Massachusetts passing a law. If you were in the state of Massachusetts and you had a gun you needed to have a Massachusetts gun owners license. Of course if you weren't a resident of Massachusetts you couldn't get one, so you wouldn't want to get caught passing through Massachusetts with a gun in your car. One year mandatory prison sentence.

 

I think FOPA was dreamed up especially because of the Massachusetts law.

[Pat Riot]

California has the Firearms Safety Certificate (card). You cannot buy a gun without taking a firearm safety test and showing the card to buy a gun. Any gun. 
 

Dang fumble fingers!

Edited December 31, 2023 by Pat Riot

[sassnetguy50]

2 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

California has the Firearms Safety Certificate (card). You cannot buy a gun without taking a firearm safety test and showing the card to buy a gun. Any gun. 
 

Dang fumble fingers!

Does the CA certificate expire?  IL CCL is 5yr and FOID is 10yr.  You have to remember they expire because ~2yr ago they stopped printing expiration dates.

[Pat Riot]

6 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said:

Does the CA certificate expire?  IL CCL is 5yr and FOID is 10yr.  You have to remember they expire because ~2yr ago they stopped printing expiration dates.

Yes, it’s a 5 year card. I am not sure what one has to do to renew it, but the expiration date is on the card. I am not sure where mine is or I would snap a photo of it and post it here, with personal info blocked, of course. 

Edited December 31, 2023 by Pat Riot

[bgavin]

I maintain the CA safety card, as it is mandatory to make a gun purchase.
Cost is $25 every five years, with a required multiple-guess test sheet.
English as your first language is a big help for this test, as they use trick wording.

Also, we have to have the "CA Real ID" to make ammo purchases without incurring a $20 background check fee.
As long as I have one or more guns registered to my Read ID license address, I can buy any caliber, any quantity with a $1 tax... er "background check fee".

Refusing to cooperate is easy when one refuses with a keyboard.
 

What are you *really* going to do when cop(s) come to your door with a court order to confiscate your guns?

• Shoot the Cop
• Explain the 2nd Amendment
• Refuse Entry on 2nd Amendment grounds
• Stand by helplessly

#1 - your rectum will be married to your cell mate for eternity
#2 - will get you cuffed and placed in the police cruiser
#3 - will get you beaten up, cuffed and placed in the cruiser
#4 - helplessly watch them ransack your home and confiscate your gun safe

Law enforcement and the courts will systematically destroy you if you refuse to surrender your guns to a court order.

Which of your neighbors and friends will bring weapons and stand by you?  

Which of them is willing to be financially destroyed, made destitute and homeless by the courts?

 

 

 

Edited December 31, 2023 by bgavin
edited for wording

[sassnetguy50]

Illinois serialized ammunition bill will die in committee. 

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=3891&GAID=17&GA=103&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=149159&SessionID=112

 

Cook County still charges $25/gun purchase and $0.05/rd ammunition.  I'm told some Cook residents simply buy ammunition outside of Cook County. 

[Blackwater 53393]

1 hour ago, sassnetguy50 said:

Illinois serialized ammunition bill will die in committee. 

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=3891&GAID=17&GA=103&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=149159&SessionID=112

 

NEVER underestimate the stupidity of the Illinois legislature!!! 

[Sedalia Dave]

30 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

NEVER underestimate the stupidity of the ANY  legislature!!! 

 Fixed it for you. 
 

All of us are just one vote away from being subjected to the same stupidity. 

[Lawdog Dago Dom]

38 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

NEVER underestimate the stupidity of the Illinois legislature!!! 

Ok, I'll play.

 

In the early 90's the Illinois Vehicle Code required windshield wipers.

 

But did not require a windshield.

[Lawdog Dago Dom]

2 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said:

Illinois serialized ammunition bill will die in committee. 

https://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=3891&GAID=17&GA=103&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=149159&SessionID=112

 

Cook County still charges $25/gun purchase and $0.05/rd ammunition.  I'm told some Cook residents simply buy ammunition outside of Cook County. 

If you check out the bill sponsors' legislative office address, 2015 W. 63rd Street, Chicago, it is smack dab in the middle of the westside which has a ton of gang activity. 

 

https://crimegrade.org/safest-places-in-60636/

 

Because they refuse to address the crime that is literally in their own backyard, an entire state of law abiding gun owners must endure ridiculous legislation.

Make it make sense.

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

Just a few short years ago the Canadian legislative scheme requiring registration of existing (i.e. already owned) long guns collapsed because of huge non-compliance; eventually the whole thing was scrapped.

[Buckshot Bob]

 

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

Maybe drug users should be issued cards or ban drugs.

Should add, my nephew 46 years old passed away from an overdose this past Dec 28th, 2023. Was found by his young kids in the basement.

Why is there such an outrage on guns, but not as much on Drugs and what its doing to young and old? Why are Politicians so obsess with gun laws, and yet not the drug problems, not just the users, but the sellers and those that bring it in and produce it? 

 

Edited January 4 by Marshal Dan Troop 70448

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

1 hour ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said:

Why are Politicians so obsess with gun laws, and yet not the drug problems, not just the users, but the sellers and those that bring it in and produce it? 

Possession of guns by honest citizens is a direct threat to politicians and their power. Druggies aren't. The druggies are easily controlled by promising not to hold them accountable for their actions, and promising to support them through government giveaway programs. 

The druggies are also not a threat to the politicians, because the politicians have the armed security that they don't want the rest of us to have.

[Wrangler Rich SASS #42157]

I ordered my first rifle from Mongomery Ward in 1962 paid for with money given to me for graduating 8th grade.... It arrived via rural US MAIL carrier a few days later. Shortly there after, President Kennedy was killed in Dallas.  No more mail order Firearms. Sortly there after, we (Illinoians) had to have an FOID to designate us as firearms owners.  I still have my original FOID.  We have to show our FOID in order to just look at a firearm in most dealers stores.

 

WR

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

I think that there is plenty of news, and plenty of concern and outrage about drugs and drug policy. To compare it with gun issues is apples and oranges.

 

Terrible tragety, Marshall Dan. Sorry indeed to hear of this. After all these years, I don't know the answers. Drugs, the scourge of our time and generation.

[watab kid]

i know of a couple guns owned in IL , ill not be revealing that ownership to anyone , im in favor of every citizen living in keeping with the second as written - there shall be no law 

[Buckshot Bob]

15 hours ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said:

Maybe drug users should be issued cards or ban drugs.

Should add, my nephew 46 years old passed away from an overdose this past Dec 28th, 2023. Was found by his young kids in the basement.

Why is there such an outrage on guns, but not as much on Drugs and what its doing to young and old? Why are Politicians so obsess with gun laws, and yet not the drug problems, not just the users, but the sellers and those that bring it in and produce it? 

 

I honestly think it’s because there is so much money to be made. Anything that physically addicts the user is a great product for a seller. All the drug money being used to bribe our public servants is one of the biggest reasons our borders are being kept so open. 
 Don’t know what the answer is . We don’t seem willing as a society to come down hard on the dealers/users . We also don’t seem to be willing to legalize it all. And the people currently profiting from it will do everything within their power to keep it as is. Right now with marijuana we seem to be going down the same path as alcohol . None of it makes sense , we’re legalizing weed, while at the same time trying to tax the tobacco industry out of existence. Once again I think the government’s primary motivation is tax collection, just like legalized gambling. We have casinos in Detroit now. I think local government officials were jealous of the amount of money the gambling facilities were making on the reservations . They say everything in moderation, unfortunately there are too many of us that have difficulty moderating. As long as there are the high profit margins in the illegal drug trade it’s not going anywhere unfortunately. I think if there was a way to follow the money it would shock us all at some of the places it ends up.

Sorry about your nephew, it’s a story heard all too often. Making it illegal definitely hasn’t made it unavailable so maybe legalization and using the tax money to fund education and rehabilitation programs for the people who want to get off of it is a better option. Unfortunately there are no simple solutions .