Alpo Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 The lawyer will voir dire the potential jurors. He asks, "how many of you own a gun?" Would you raise your hand? If you do own one, and you do not admit it, have you just committed perjury? If they ask me specifically DO YOU and I say NO, I know that's perjury. But a group question and I just don't answer it?? Yes, I know. Two questions.
Rip Snorter Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 Except once, I have always been able to be disqualified from jury duty based on past jobs and associations. The one time, the question was not asked though it was a shooting case. Then again, Montana!
J-BAR #18287 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 Don’t lie during jury selection. If you are ever a defendant, would you want to be judged by liars?
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 I wouldn't want the defense to have any grounds for appeal based on juror misconduct. Concealing or providing false information during voir dire could be considered juror misconduct. I would answer honestly, however that question about being prior law enforcement would generally knock me out pretty quickly.
PowderRiverCowboy Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 Yes, but I can’t put my actual reply here because it’s my right. And to quote Young Guns if they don’t like it, they can go straight to hell.. Now if you’re talking about our lustrous VA . Know anyone that’s been to an annual VA medical appointment will test today as you are interviewed .Know anyone that’s been to a annual VA medical appointment will test today as you are interviewed by no less than three or four people. Oh asking how you are just now at your hobbies a such what you’d like to do , how are things going? Trying to be a buddy what you’re trying to do is say you are mentally unstable and admit that you have guns because then they will send you a letter voiding your second amendment I know this for a fact because it’s happened to people I know
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Don’t lie during jury selection. If you are ever a defendant, would you want to be judged by liars? Leave that to the Lefties. Have you ever noticed many of them have beards? I guess they can't look themselves in the face to shave.
Sawhorse Kid Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 What harm is there in admitting how many toy guns you have? ( cap guns, water pistols, and general non functioning )
Pat Riot Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 8 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: Have you ever noticed many of them have beards? Hey, I had a beard until this morning. Actually, I saw my reflection in a store window a couple of days ago and I wondered who that old looking dude was that was looking looking back at me. I need to prufread more…
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 57 minutes ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: Leave that to the Lefties. Have you ever noticed many of them have beards? I guess they can't look themselves in the face to shave. Never trust a clean shaven man, he's hiding something. How many bearded politicians do you know?
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 1 hour ago, PowderRiverCowboy said: Yes, but I can’t put my actual reply here because it’s my right. And to quote Young Guns if they don’t like it, they can go straight to hell.. Now if you’re talking about our lustrous VA . Know anyone that’s been to an annual VA medical appointment will test today as you are interviewed .Know anyone that’s been to a annual VA medical appointment will test today as you are interviewed by no less than three or four people. Oh asking how you are just now at your hobbies a snack what you’d like to do how are things going? Trying to be a buddy what you’re trying to do is, do you mute, mentally unstable and admit that you have guns because then they will send you a letter voiding your second amendment I know this for a fact because it’s happened to people I know I have no idea what you wrote up there.
Alpo Posted February 25, 2023 Author Posted February 25, 2023 Actually in this TV show the defense attorney was telling the defendant that the prosecutor was looking for gun owners on the jury, because gun owners were generally hard on crime. So he wanted lots of gun owners on the jury so he can be sure of convicting the defendant for murder. Okay. Whether that makes sense or not I don't know and really don't care. It was just the question. It's like, HOW MANY OF YOU KEEP MORE THAN $1,000 IN CASH IN YOUR HOUSE? I wouldn't put my hand up for that one either. There's some things that ain't nobody's damn business. I was on a dog bite jury, and they asked how many people had dogs. I was on a WE ARE SUING THE INSURANCE COMPANY jury, and they asked how many people had had interactions with insurance companies. But when they start asking about things of great financial worth, I don't believe it's any of their business.
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 I can truthfully say that I do not own any guns. Neither do I own any howitzers or mortars. Personal firearms are another matter. ADDED: If phrased as "How many of you own A firearm?" I could again truthfully say that I don't own A firearm. I have more than one.
PowderRiverCowboy Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 29 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: I have no idea what you wrote up there. Talk to text bit me on that one ,won’t try that again been one of those days that every little clown wants to try me not the day to do it for them
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 I’d be the first one to raise my hand!
Pat Riot Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 Years ago, maybe 1986, I recall being sent to a courtroom in LA County for what-a-deer after having filled out a questionnaire with everyone else in the main jury waiting area. Apparently the defense convinced the judge that having a “jury of one’s peers” wasn’t good enough and they needed a more select type of peer. Anyway, on the questionnaire it was asked (going by memory here): Do you own any guns and why? Are you a member of law enforcement or do you have friends and family that are in law enforcement? Have you ever served in the military? There were a couple others but I don’t recall them. I answered yes to all and on the first one I added something like “family protection, target shooting and competitions” I guess they didn’t review these before 12 jurors and several alternates were in the courtroom. Probably too time consuming as there were at least 150 people in the jury room downstairs. I was in the jury box when the judge called my number “Juror #3. What do you mean by ‘competitions’ regarding the gun question?” I explained that I shot Bullseye competitions and tactical shooting matches put on by members of LAPD SWAT.” I am pretty sure I heard crickets and for some reason everyone in the room was blankly staring at me except for a couple of uniformed cops and the bailiffs. They smiled. I was excused. I asked why and was told “Thank for coming . You are excused for the day.” That’s all I needed to hear and I was gone. I hopped on my bike and headed for Malibu on a beautiful Spring day in Southern California. I never did find out what the trial was about and at the time I did not care.
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 My answer to the second part of the gun question "......any guns and why" would have been; because it's my right under our Constitution as an American citizen.
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 I would answer truthfully. You never know if the reason for asking is to determine if someone on the jury has a working knowledge of firearms or not. Case could be to determine if there was a mechanical malfunction that resulted in a negligent discharge or mishandling of the firearm or something unrelated. Think of the Alex Baldwin case on the set of Rust. Pretty much any one of us could have prevented that from happening, because we are gun-guys.
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 I was called for a high profile murder case a while back. The Prosecution and Defence gave the jury pool a sample of what their cases were going to be. The case was on a man who was supposed to have murdered his wife with a certain gun, which he no longer had, having sold it, and couldn't say where it went. The Defence claimed that they had found the actual shooter, who had owned the same type of gun, but had sold it, and couldn't say where it went. I said that I had a problem believing in that much coincidence, and that as a responsible gun owner, both these guys were so lax in their recordkeeping that neither could account for their gun. I was excused.
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 To Alpo's original question: If asked if you own "a" gun and you own several, the correct answer would be no. Owning several would fall under the question being ask"do you own any guns" ala Pat Riot, then perhaps the answer would be yes. Of course the best way to weave around this question is to never "own" guns. Your guns are owned by a trust.
Trailrider #896 Posted February 25, 2023 Posted February 25, 2023 Wonder what would happen if I asked, "Does that include 19th century antiques?"
bgavin Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/24/2023 at 7:54 PM, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Hey, I had a beard until this morning. Actually, I saw my reflection in a store window a couple of days ago and I wondered who that old looking dude was that was looking looking back at me. I need to prufread more… I wore a Van Dyke all my younger years.. until it went white and I looked like an old goat.
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 26, 2023 Posted February 26, 2023 2 hours ago, bgavin said: I wore a Van Dyke all my younger years.. until it went white and I looked like an old goat. That's called "Truth in Advertising."
Alpo Posted February 27, 2023 Author Posted February 27, 2023 The bad thing about growing a beard when you're both old and fat (and it's worse when you wear glasses) is that long around December you start hearing the Santa Claus jokes. That picture is from '05, and I'm much greyer now. Fatter too.
Rip Snorter Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 You make decisions. Slim or not. Fit or not. Well groomed or not. Well dressed or not. What you decide is fine with me, I cut my own trail, mostly toward the former states. A little of what freedom is all about.
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 On 2/24/2023 at 7:01 PM, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: Leave that to the Lefties. Have you ever noticed many of them have beards? I guess they can't look themselves in the face to shave I've had mine since I was 20. 'Course, I have to look in the mirror, mostly, to shave the neck and the mustache. And I'm to the right of George III, as an old boss of mine long ago put it.
Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 52 minutes ago, Alpo said: The bad thing about growing a beard when you're both old and fat (and it's worse when you wear glasses) is that long around December you start hearing the Santa Claus jokes. My fire department asked me to be Santa, back when I had a full beard. A moppet regarded me skeptically, then reached up, seized my chin whiskers and pulled. Hard. Shocked silence, a mother's mouth opened to apologize, then the wide eyed child gushed, "It's real! You ARE Santa!" Made the pain worth it!
Subdeacon Joe Posted February 27, 2023 Posted February 27, 2023 3 hours ago, Alpo said: The bad thing about growing a beard when you're both old and fat (and it's worse when you wear glasses) is that long around December you start hearing the Santa Claus jokes You make that sound like a bad thing. One time at church, maybe about 20 years ago when my hair and beard were much less grey, during the sermon a little Eritrean boy, maybe two years old crawled over to me and onto my lap. Started touching my beard and hair, then said something to me. I looked over at his mom. She gave a soft chuckle and whispered, "He said that he thinks you look like Jesus." Good Lord!!! What a thing to try to live up to!
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