Tony Crowe Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I don't normally case check new factory shotgun shells, but decided to so with a new box today. This was after having some fired shells stick in my SxS at a match this weekend. In a box of 25 AA shells, ten (10) did not pass. This seems to be a problem. Anyone else had this experience? Should I start checking all shells, new and reloaded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Not an unusual occurrence anymore. Unfortunately Quality Control isn't what it used to be. Check every shell for a SXS, in a'97 you can get away with nearly any factory shell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Some reported the same problem in this thread. I would check all SG shells before a major match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 MEC Super Sizer will cure your issues with the hulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Crowe Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 Interesting. I found a video from MEC that shows it being used on empty hulls being resized. Any concern about using it on a loaded factory round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I developed my gauge for factory AA ammo. It’s by far the least consistent of factory ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 And the MEC sizer posted above will not always cute the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 I use my super sizer on fired as well as load ammo. Never a problem a good investment is one of those shotshell case gauges. Does a great job of finding the 'porky' ones among the hulls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Crowe Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 From now on, I think for major matches I am going to start checking each shell. Those that don’t pass will be used for practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 When I get my hulls back after a match I first check to see if I have any pin holes at the bottom of the crimp lines at the month of the case. a quick check of the brass end to see if any of it has turned green If it got stepped on it gets trashed. If I get a bad crimp it either gets broken down or most likely gets a black marker "X" on the brass end so I don't reload that one again--hey, I'm cheap The Win AAs are not what they once were but I still can get a goodly number of reloads from each hull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Bob Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 27 minutes ago, Tony Crowe said: Interesting. I found a video from MEC that shows it being used on empty hulls being resized. Any concern about using it on a loaded factory round? I use both a supersizer and my MEC on out of spec SG shell (AA). The supersizer fixes the brass but a lot of the time the crimped end of the hull may be bulged. Just run it through the crimp station and that will take care of it (most of the time). Just remember to either disable the primer feeder or make sure it is empty. I keep a 3/4” socket in my gun box so if I find 1 or 2 during a match I can just stick the end into the socket, give it a couple turns and VIOLA! problem solved(usually) Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Boggus Deal #64218 said: I developed my gauge for factory AA ammo. It’s by far the least consistent of factory ammo. +100 for this gauge....I've used one for about 4 years now and it has found a good number of shotshells that looked pretty good but wouldn't pass the gauge test. Those rounds become WB rounds. Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 38 minutes ago, Tony Crowe said: From now on, I think for major matches I am going to start checking each shell. Those that don’t pass will be used for practice. I keep a gauge in the cart. I gauge as I load my belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castalia,SASS#18915 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Bought a couple of cases of Win AA and had the same experience. Those that went through the case checker I kept. The rest I gave away. Switched over to Remingtons and all pass the case checker. Apparently the two piece hulls don't go together at the factory very well. Just My Humble Experience. Castalia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Tony Crowe said: Interesting. I found a video from MEC that shows it being used on empty hulls being resized. Any concern about using it on a loaded factory round? No issues as it never touches the primer 55 minutes ago, Boggus Deal #64218 said: And the MEC sizer posted above will not always cute the issue. +100. When I find out of spec AA hulls it is almost always the plastic that is the problem not the metal bases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 That has been the case for several years now. However I' have a mod 12 that will not chamber AA's about 90% of the time but has never had a problem with Remingtons. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I check all my AA shells before a match. The Super Sizer will fix not all but 9 out of 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I reload on a MEC 9000GN using sts or nitro hulls. I have occasionally been told I am ocd but my process is super sizer on empty hulls ~ reload on 9000 ~ chamber checker ~ any failed checks back to super sizer ~ any second fails to practice bin ~ into box ~ at range chamber checker (a different tighter one) ~ any fails into practice bin ~ pass into belt. No problems super sizer on loaded ammo though it clearly says “don’t do that” ymmv Went to all this after using LNLR AA’s for years and having out of round, incorrectly sized bases, splits down the length of the hull, primers in backward, open crimps leaking shot garbage at about 5% or 6%. Haven’t used AA’s in years. regards Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Clark Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Too Tall Bob said: I keep a 3/4” socket in my gun box so if I find 1 or 2 during a match I can just stick the end into the socket, give it a couple turns and VIOLA! problem solved(usually) Good luck. Is that a 6 or 12 point socket? I also highly recommend the" Boggus" shell checker. Mine gets used on all main match shells, factory or reloads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I switched about 8 years ago to just using Remington factory loads for clay pigeon shooting, and I save the hulls for cowboy loading. Got rid of almost all problems with fired hulls sticking in my doubles. With a subsequent switch from MEC Grabber to Hornady 366 loader, the dimensions got even better, and now I rarely even gauge check my reloads, and never the factory shells (because they get shot where a sticking hull is just an inconvenience, not a stage killer). AAs with the two piece hull / base wad create a ledge inside the shell where the top of the base wad meets the hull wall. Using anything but a "highly tapered" wad allows the bottom edge of wad to catch on the ledge of the base wad. When it does, a bulge develops on the outside of the hull, in the plastic wall. Using very light loads of powder makes the problem pretty common, because the wad seats a little deeper than with standard powder loads. You can feel and even see the bulge if you watch for it, and the 12 gauge shell checkers will stop with the bulge right at the mouth of the checker if the bulge is big enough. The Mec SuperSizer, since it resizes JUST the brass, CAN NOT fix the hull when the bulge develops. Neither will any other loader. Neither will trying to round up the shell's mouth/crimp area. And, since only double shooters who are trying to reload quickly, using light loads and shotguns that don't eject (AKA - Cowboy Action Shooters) do all the things that cause complaints about the new AA design, Winchester is trying to ignore that they messed up one of the best shotgun hulls when they went to the two piece base and hull. All that, made me switch to Remington STS or Nitro smooth wall hulls. And toss away any hull that has been stepped on - you just cannot reliably round out a plastic hull so it stays perfectly round. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Bob Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 33 minutes ago, Captain Clark said: Is that a 6 or 12 point socket? I also highly recommend the" Boggus" shell checker. Mine gets used on all main match shells, factory or reloads! Depends if the gun is n SKB or a Stoeger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 At this last weekend wild bunch match, my 97 would not reliably feed win AA shells. Did some measuring and testing with win standard field loads and the rims on the AA were inconsistent where they were consistent on the field loads and the field loads fed reliably. Just more info on AA quality control being poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 So instead of fixing bad quality control at the factory - who simply made a telephone to Olin ... https://www.olin.com/contact/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Thornton Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 I case gauge checked an entire case of Remington Gunclubs the other day sitting in front of the TV, and they ALL passed! Shooting them up and going to reload them as they do well coming out of my skb 100 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 20 hours ago, Major B. S. Walker said: I check all my AA shells before a match. The Super Sizer will fix not all but 9 out of 10. My QA / QC wifey checks every one & I use both the sizer & super sizer plus she gauges every one. Bad ones used in practice. Yeeeh, Haw pilgrims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Iron Buster Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Get a hold of Badman Bullets or Cowboy Shooters Supply they have the Boggus Deal checker made by SliXpring products. Big Iron Buster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 hours ago, John Boy said: So instead of fixing bad quality control at the factory - who simply made a telephone to Olin ... https://www.olin.com/contact/ I did ---- several times. Sent them photos, lot numbers, descriptions, receipts, where purchased, my info, case bar codes etc. Offered to send them the actual rounds but they did not want those shipped to them and I was unclear as to why so did not send. In return got a couple coupons for a free box but when I exchanged those at my local Sportsmans Warehouse the shells I got ----- wait for it ------- of the 50 rounds 4 would not pass a chamber check and one had already opened the crimp and leaked shot. Boxes looked pristine, no damage or bent corners. Passed on those that were usable to a pard and that was the last AA's I have bought. Regards Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 As the old saying goes: 'Change your Brand of Whiskey, I'd change my Brand of Shotgun Shells' Kid, I kind of expected your reply based on an snotty, negative experience I had with Olin and two bags of their 300 Win Mag brass. i swear a 300 lb gorilla stomped on each bag as they came off the production line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 1 hour ago, John Boy said: As the old saying goes: 'Change your Brand of Whiskey, I'd change my Brand of Shotgun Shells' Kid, I kind of expected your reply based on an snotty, negative experience I had with Olin and two bags of their 300 Win Mag brass. i swear a 300 lb gorilla stomped on each bag as they came off the production line Heavens to Betsy don’t talk blasphemy about changing your whiskey Makers Mark, Bulleit, Jameson or just about any decent scotch for me the actual conversations both voice and email were generally cordial just not helpful. The tone was one of “it is what it is” which kind of gets to me. Like most I just want value for my money, that wasn’t delivered and I moved on. A huge benefit to me was that I had never reloaded shotshells so this provided the impetus to get equipment and open up a new hobby. Regards Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I was surprised to discover that there are some Win. AA cases out there with Aluminum heads. They expand waaaay more than brass, and almost every one of them will stick in a double. Be sure yours aren't Aluminum. If they are, give them to a friend who shoots a '97, and buy yourself some good GREEN Rem STS cases, if you can find them. I've never had an STS in good condition stick in the chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 There are NO shotgun hulls with aluminum heads. They are steel heads, with some plating of cadmium or zinc or other thin rust preventative coating. Stick them with a magnet. You will then understand, aluminum is not a great metal for putting in shotgun hulls.. The only Winchester target shells that I've seen with steel heads are the cheap Winchester Super Target shells. Both the Remington STS (green) and the Remington Nitro (gold) hulls work really well. The Nitro's are loaded to a heavier load from the factory, though. But once fired, they have the same great performance when reloaded. Good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 On 5/20/2019 at 2:08 PM, Tony Crowe said: Should I start checking all shells, new and reloaded? I recrimp, resize, visually check, and go-no-go Guage test every shell that has been stored on the shelf for more than a day or two, as I get ammo together for a match. I resize with a MEC Supersizer, after recrimping each shell in the original crimp die. At the match, I run each round through a Slix tapered die, as I take them off the cart and into my shotgun belt. All of that may be excessive/overkill, but the TLC has paid off. I've very seldom ever had a spent hull stick in the gun, and what few did stick had split on firing. Careful gun and ammo care has paid off for me with few malfunctions. My misses have been the real thing, from hurrying faster than my skill level can so far support. I've never found a pre-match trick, except practice, to cure that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICIOUS, SASS#8014 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 HOWDY; The MEC machine says not for loaded rounds. BUT I have been doing it to all factory and reloaded shells. Also started trashing all but Remington STS hulls, Like GJ says, his words ring true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 On 5/21/2019 at 10:34 PM, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: They are steel heads, with some plating of cadmium or zinc or other thin rust preventative coating. Stick them with a magnet. My magnet says you are 100% correct. I even deprimed one to be sure the primer wasn't the magnetic attraction. But they really do look like aluminum. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Texas jack Black SASS#9362 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I shoot double A shells and no issues I do check them all visually and have put a few aside for just practice. Bad batches are not isolated to Winchester . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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