H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I was looking over the latest edition of the C&R List and I saw this... Winchester Colt Commemorative Set, Winchester Signature Model "Oliver F. Winchester" Model 94 carbine, cal. 44-40, lever action, as mfd. By U.S. Repeating Arms Co., New Haven, CT, and the Colt Signature Model "Samuel Colt", cal. .44-40 receiver, as manufactured by Colt Industries, Firearms Division, Hartford, CT. As I recall in the past, the rifle in this set was C&R, but the revolver was not. But this wording is new. I am wondering if that word "receiver" is a typo for revolver, as receiver doesn't make any sense to me. I looked at the ATF website, but could not find a logical way to contact them to ask the question. Anyone know how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Clark Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Let Google be your friend and show you the way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outlaw Gambler Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 just send them a firearm with your name and phone number. you will hear from them VERY soon, and in person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Well I have a secret number and email... Can't disclose it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Not a number Uriah, but try www.atf.gov kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 ATF web site. Contact numbers all over the site. Find you local ATF office. https://www.atf.gov/contact/local-atf-offices Find your nearest Field office. https://www.atf.gov/contact/atf-field-divisions Submit Firearms regulatory questions. (second one down on list) https://www.atf.gov/contact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 If you send them an email be prepared to wait about a month for an answer. It's better to just call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 You could say you were having trouble fitting an M2 conversion kit into your M1 Carbine. And they would probably call you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 Morse code- Long burst, pause, short burst, pause, long burst repeat . It wont be long until someone shows up at your house to answer all your questions. They may have some also. Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 If the question is in regards to buying gun that could be potentially be in violation Federal law, make sure you get an answer in writing. An example of this is some C&R lever action rifles (Winchester 94's IIRC) being built with a 14" barrel. Technically illegal since Federal law mandates a 16" barrel for all rifles unless you are willing to get the Class III license for a short barreled rifle. However for whatever reason the ATF does not apply this to the C&R Winchester 94 with the 14" barreled rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 6, 2018 Author Share Posted December 6, 2018 16 minutes ago, Chantry said: If the question is in regards to buying gun that could be potentially be in violation Federal law, make sure you get an answer in writing. An example of this is some C&R lever action rifles (Winchester 94's IIRC) being built with a 14" barrel. Technically illegal since Federal law mandates a 16" barrel for all guns unless you are willing to get the Class III license for a short barreled rifle. However for whatever reason the ATF does not apply this to the C&R Winchester 94 with the 14" barreled rifles. Yeah, a few years ago, the ATF decided that pre-1934 SBR's did not have to be controlled by NFA 34 rules anymore. They also decided that shoulder stocks for things like Broomhandles, Lugers, and other WW2 or earlier pistols did not an SBR make. Suddenly, a whole flock of them that had never been registered in the first place started showing up at gun shops and shows and stuff, and the ones that were NFA registered were, at the request of the registered owner, removed from the registration and a the owner was given a letter to say so. I am not sure what the rules are for old smoothbore pistols. Rather foolishly, when I saw a 14" 92 at a gunshow soon after that for around $1500 bucks, I didn't buy it cuz I didn't want to tool up for .38-40. Still kicking myself over that decision. But anyway, yes. If I can get confirmation from the ATF that the pistol in that Colt/Winchester set, which I greatly wanted back in 1983 when they were released, is indeed C&R eligible, I would want to get a physical letter from the ATF saying so until or unless they correct the mistake in the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Chantry said: If the question is in regards to buying gun that could be potentially be in violation Federal law, make sure you get an answer in writing. An example of this is some C&R lever action rifles (Winchester 94's IIRC) being built with a 14" barrel. Technically illegal since Federal law mandates a 16" barrel for all guns unless you are willing to get the Class III license for a short barreled rifle. However for whatever reason the ATF does not apply this to the C&R Winchester 94 with the 14" barreled rifles. Minimum is 18" for shotgun bbls. There's no minimum length for handguns.......... OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Minimum is 18" for shotgun bbls. There's no minimum length for handguns.......... OLG Oops Updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 minutes ago, Chantry said: Oops Updated Also-You don't get a Class 3 for a SBR. SBR(if your state allows'em)is a separate certificate/permit that must be with the gun at all times. Class 3 is for select fire, full auto weapons. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Anyone know how to contact the ATF? By H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619, Yesterday at 08:54 AM in SASS Wire Straw purchase a firearm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizPete Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 For many years ATF was my office next-door neighbor. Have lost touch, but they were extremely good neighbors. They once helped us steal a desk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 When you contact them send them a link to this thread to better understand the situation GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 20 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Also-You don't get a Class 3 for a SBR. SBR(if your state allows'em)is a separate certificate/permit that must be with the gun at all times. Class 3 is for select fire, full auto weapons. OLG I'm unaware of anything called a Class 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 A few times I had to contact a State or Federal agency, I went through my legislator. Each state or federal agency has a "legislative liaison" to work with legislators. It cuts down on a lot of BS for you, because you get pushed to the front of the line to the proper person to address your issue. Nothing a legislator likes more than helping a registered voter constituent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 3 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: I'm unaware of anything called a Class 3 There ain't-But if I posted Class 3 SOT all the non FFL's would be scratching their heads. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrangler Red SASS #28281 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Buy an illegal weapon and. boast about it on the internet. You will get up close and personal with an agent.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Wonder if they are considered “essential”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Why bother, just buy it the conventional way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Because I live in Massachusetts. Unless I can find a set that can be proved to have been registered in the state prior to 1998, the pistols may not be sold or imported for sale into the state. They are an "unsafe" design. C&R guns are exempt, if you have a C&R FFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Because I live in Massachusetts. Unless I can find a set that can be proved to have been registered in the state prior to 1998, the pistols may not be sold or imported for sale into the state. They are an "unsafe" design. C&R guns are exempt, if you have a C&R FFL Wow, what a screwed up law!!! Good luck with that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 You will want to contact the ATF technology branch to get something in writing. ATF Firearms and Ammunition Technology Division 244 Needy Road Martinsburg, Suite 1600 West Virginia 25405 USAE-mail address: fire_tech@atf.gov Voice: (304) 616-4300 Fax number: (304) 616-4301 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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