Ace_of_Hearts Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Shooter walks onto the range with his guns and gun cart. When he/she gets to the general meeting area..... He/she pulls out a pistol and while speaking a greeting to those there, gives it a John Wayne spin and re-holsters. Your thoughts please..... Keep it civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diablo slim shootist Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I would politely ask them to turn around and go home- if they do not know any better than to do something as foolish as that they do not belong at our shooting club. Sincerely Diablo Slim R.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Scatterbrain Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 He must have swept multiple people, which technically is a stage DQ, I think? But I, personally, think such an act committed intentionally demands greater sanction. If he were allowed to shoot I would excuse myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio Brazos Kid Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 There's only one lodgical answer to this question, and it's already been said. RBK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Is this a person who's new to SASS? If so, politely explain to them we do NOT "play" with our guns and spinning is definitely considered "playing". If this person is not new to SASS, show them the door. And you don't have to be polite about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Coles SASS 1188 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 This is incredibly dangerous, particularly at the point when the gun has just come to the range. It could be loaded. Lest you think this is some way out, remote risk, I have personal experience where someone was shot in the abdomen with an "empty" gun just brought to the range through improper handling. It was a very, very bad day and only through a string of lucky breaks (a paramedic crew had just pulled up to a restaurant next to the range when he was shot) did a friend of mine live through it. I would send the shooter home with a stern warning. I know this is a game, but gun safety is deadly serious. Doc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I would politely ask them to turn around and go home- if they do not know any better than to do something as foolish as that they do not belong at our shooting club. Sincerely Diablo Slim R.O. YUP. (That's as civil as I can get.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palindrome, SASS #54445 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 ACCIDDNTAL [sic] SHOOTING The Careless Handling of a Pistol Nearly Ends a Life Sunday afternoon, the careless handling of a pistol in the Delta Saloon on Allen street, came near ending the existence of Louis Kissinger, a step-brother of Billy Le Van. It seems a man named James Tompkins, was exhibiting a couple of revolvers to a Mexican and expatiating on their fine points. James Wilson, a young man a little over twenty, who recently arrived in the city was a spectator, and took one of the guns from Tompkins, and commenced to flourish it. He was evidently trying to impress on the spectators, his familiarity with pistols, and his knowledge of their use, and swung the dangerous plaything around rather recklessly. He was showing the spectators what is called “the Colorado cowboy plan for practicing for a sheriff,” the modus operandi of which is to swing the pistol around on the forefingers with rapidity, bringing it to a ready at each revolution. He was admonished to be careful, and the barkeeper got judiciously out of range. Louis Kessinger was sitting at the end of the room reading, and taking no notice of the performance, when suddenly the pistol went off and the bullet took effect in his right breast, about two and a half inches above the nipple. It then took a downward course, striking the sternum and the fourth rib, then glanced upward and diverged on the left side of the breast two inches above the left nipple, and lodged about the middle of the left forearm, after first glancing off the back of a chair on which the arm was leaning. Dr. McSwegan was immediately summoned, and under his skillful treatment the wounded man is getting along as well as could be expected. The wound is very painful but not necessarily fatal, and at last accounts the patient was resting easy. Wilson was arrested and lodged in the county jail, but as soon as the facts were learned, he was released, the matter being purely accidental. Tombstone Epitaph, July 29, 1882 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Is this a person who's new to SASS? If so, politely explain to them we do NOT "play" with our guns and spinning is definitely considered "playing". If this person is not new to SASS, show them the door. And you don't have to be polite about it. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 It would be real hard to be civil when someone does something as stupid as that......but I'll try. Regardless if the shooter is a seasoned vet or a novice, he would get ejected from the match with severe admonishment. After displaying such incredible ignorance for gun safety, I sure as hell wouldn't want to shoot with him/her....I don't think many others would either. Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Trina, SASS #59582L Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I agree with ejecting the offender from the range. Safety first and foremost. Ace, I'm assuming this happened at your range - what did your club do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying W Ramrod Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Some of you folks know me, some don't. I wouldn't even try to be civil. I take this stuff seriously and am not worried what folks think. If this happened in my view that city slicker would be down the road before the car door could shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Beady Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Is this a person who's new to SASS? If so, politely explain to them we do NOT "play" with our guns and spinning is definitely considered "playing". If this person is not new to SASS, show them the door. And you don't have to be polite about it. I don't see how being new to SASS has anything to do with it. How do you go from being totally unfamiliar with firearms safety, to joining SASS, without learning the basic rules of gun handling somewhere in-between? If they *are* new to SASS, tell them very politely why they will not be allowed to shoot the match or even to wear their guns; if they're allowed to hang around and no one dumps on them, they may take the lesson to heart. If they're *not* new to SASS, get the person with the biggest boots and spurs to give them a mulekick off the range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wimpy Hank Yoho Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Shooter walks onto the range with his guns and gun cart. When he/she gets to the general meeting area..... He/she pulls out a pistol and while speaking a greeting to those there, gives it a John Wayne spin and re-holsters. Your thoughts please..... Keep it civil. Wild West Arts SASS® Wire Wild West Arts Forum is a forum for the Membership of SASS® and guests interested in Western Performing Arts such as gun spinning, whip cracking, rope spinning and etc. All users are subject to the policies set for by The Single Action Shooting Society in their Moderator Guidelines posted on this site Just Sayin' ?? well, I don't know what I'm sayin' ?? You tell me, What am I sayin' ??? WHY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Wild West Arts SASS® Wire Wild West Arts Forum is a forum for the Membership of SASS® and guests interested in Western Performing Arts such as gun spinning, whip cracking, rope spinning and etc. All users are subject to the policies set for by The Single Action Shooting Society in their Moderator Guidelines posted on this site Just Sayin' ?? well, I don't know what I'm sayin' ?? You tell me, What am I sayin' ??? WHY Hi WHY! I think you are saying that he/she might have got the wrong idea from reading about "gun spinning" on a SASS Forum. There is absolutely no reason for initial rudeness. Be an adult, talk to the person calmly, and, if they "cop an attitude," go from there. Until then, calm kindness is more educational than rudeness. Regards, AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Was this a brand new shooter, totin' his very first guns? If so, I'd explain to him how he's not going to shoot a match that day... but I'l be glad to take him down to an unused berm and give him instruction in gun safety, how to use (and not use) his guns, how the game is played, and how to play it. But, being he's pulling a gun cart, I'd guess that isn't the case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltbush Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 If they *are* new to SASS, tell them very politely why they will not be allowed to shoot the match or even to wear their guns; if they're allowed to hang around and no one dumps on them, they may take the lesson to heart. If they're *not* new to SASS, get the person with the biggest boots and spurs to give them a mulekick off the range. yes some people are just dumb Hi WHY! I think you are saying that he/she might have got the wrong idea from reading about "gun spinning" on a SASS Forum. There is absolutely no reason for initial rudeness. Be an adult, talk to the person calmly, and, if they "cop an attitude," go from there. Until then, calm kindness is more educational than rudeness. Regards, AM show respect to every one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nasty Newt # 7365 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 So, out there in the real world, what did you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted September 11, 2011 Author Share Posted September 11, 2011 Let's just say that I am not very happy when someone points a gun at me. I have had three people (Now four) point guns at me. I shot the first three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Graham, # 26112 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Most of the folks I know would have been yelpin' howlin', hittin' the deck and/or diving out of the way if someone did that. I suspect the Careless One would have a hint something was wrong........... Polite but firm escort off the range with offer of gun safety lesson before next match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howlin Mad Murdock SASS #4037 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 First things first, was it a real gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 we are not in an 'entertainment' function as to enjoy the gun-spinning art. We are at a 'shooting' match which means that all handling and shooting of the firearm must demand the serious adherence to gun safety. Obviously gun spinning, which I enjoy highly, is not a shooting sport. Please leave the entertainment on the stage or at home. GG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dog Ears Wilson, SASS #77948 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Hi WHY! I think you are saying that he/she might have got the wrong idea from reading about "gun spinning" on a SASS Forum. There is absolutely no reason for initial rudeness. Be an adult, talk to the person calmly, and, if they "cop an attitude," go from there. Until then, calm kindness is more educational than rudeness. Regards, AM I agree. There's no reason to humiliate the shooter or send them on their way. Match Director simply says, "We're glad you're here, but f you ever spin a gun around here again, you'll be asked to leave immediately." It'll never happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry McKenna #700L Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Is this a person who's new to SASS? If so, politely explain to them we do NOT "play" with our guns and spinning is definitely considered "playing". If this person is not new to SASS, show them the door. And you don't have to be polite about it. I agree. A new shooter gets special consideration as long as is firearm was verified as unloaded during the incident. We have an extra level of safety obsession in SASS and must give a shooter a chance to absorb our safety culture. This time period is very short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 I don't see how being new to SASS has anything to do with it. How do you go from being totally unfamiliar with firearms safety, to joining SASS, without learning the basic rules of gun handling somewhere in-between? Miss Allie answered your question better than I could. (Post #15) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Fingered Fred 59408 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 At the last IDPA match a new shooter was showing his gun off, as RO I told him if he wanted to do that to go to the safe area. It was before the safety briefing and he didn't know the match rules. However, all shooters should know and follow gun safety rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Just Curious,, wat du you do when someone sweeps someone during a stage with a loaded gun? do you escort them off the range to their car and see them down the road? Let's say they sweep you with an unloaded gun during a stage, wat do you do? Who agrees with slim...cheyenne culpepper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted September 11, 2011 Share Posted September 11, 2011 Just Curious,, wat du you do when someone sweeps someone during a stage with a loaded gun? do you escort them off the range to their car and see them down the road? Let's say they sweep you with an unloaded gun during a stage, wat do you do? Who agrees with slim...cheyenne culpepper Yup - a firm, but friendly approach GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 I was at a shoot a few years ago and a new shooter was at the unloading table, He unloaded his first revolver, I checked it and he spun it back into his holster. (Very nicely I might add) Me and another pard told him "DON'T ever do that again or you'll be asked to leave". I told the match director to keep an eye on this dude and maybe he could say sumthin to him. It all worked out he NEVER did that again. Case closed. Rye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 A couple years back, someone told me that it would be 'cool' to do a video and spin my pistols back into the holsters. I told em 'NO WAY'. I don't practice it and I don't do it cause its just toooooo easy to unload em at the UL table and commit such an infraction out of habit when reholstering em. Ain't good! Whatever was decided to do in handling such a situation, I would hope it would be done politely. And I think a review of safety procedures would be most appropriate. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockingbird, SASS #22893 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Let's just say that I am not very happy when someone points a gun at me. I have had three people (Now four) point guns at me. I shot the first three. I guess we should be thankful you didn't shoot this guy, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Let's just say that I am not very happy when someone points a gun at me. I have had three people (Now four) point guns at me. I shot the first three. Sounds like you've got a lot of folks that don't care for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D.Ironsmith Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 All I can say is education, education, education! The OP did not say if this was a new shooter or a SASS vet... don't really matter as I have seen both do things they should not have. Safety defiantly must comes first, but resolving unsafe acts, while maintaining as positive approach as possible, promotes our sport! At a monthly match, prior to safety briefing (possibly prior to entry into the match) stop the unsafe act, QUIETLY speak to the offender, and explain that is not how our game is played. Explain the potential ramifications of their unsafe act, and IF you are a match official let them know that is their one and only chance.... If you are NOT a match official bring it to the attention of the powers that be! There is a fine line between too harsh a tongue, and allowing an unsafe action to go unchecked... All of us must decide the balance, that will provide for the safety of ourselves and our fellow competitors, and that which will drive shooters (who could be educated to be safe competitors) away from the game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest diablo slim shootist Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 Just Curious,, wat du you do when someone sweeps someone during a stage with a loaded gun? do you escort them off the range to their car and see them down the road? Let's say they sweep you with an unloaded gun during a stage, wat do you do? Who agrees with slim...cheyenne culpepper You have a good point Cheyenne maybe you need to just warn them never do that again or you will be asked to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 My take and it has nothing to do with SASS rules, is that if I were in charge, I would politely instruct the shooter that they had made a major infraction and that as a result they would not be able to shoot the match. I would politely instruct them to either leave the range, or to put away their firearms away and enjoy the match as an observer and that they were welcome to tag along with me and discuss SASS and shooting cowboy in a safe and fun manner. Their attitude and response, could of course change my attitude and behavior quickly. Sending someone home teaches them only that their infraction won't be tolerated, but does nothing to further educate them either about SASS or even general gun safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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