Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I generally liked all the actors in this movie and it was pretty historically accurate but does anyone else not like Costner as Wyatt Earp? I thought he was pretty bad in that role. Just MHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Wasn't his worst acting ever, but was pretty close. I liked Dennis Quaid as Doc a lot more than I did Costner as Wyatt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 4 minutes ago, LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L said: Wasn't his worst acting ever, but was pretty close. I liked Dennis Quaid as Doc a lot more than I did Costner as Wyatt. I agree with you there and I think Tombstone and Kirk Russell kind of set the standard for Wyatt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I liked the movie, Costner (as Wyatt)) not so much. Quaid nailed it as Doc. As I understand it, Quaid had to lose a substantial amount of weight for the part. From what I've read about the real Doc, Quaid played the part much more accurately than Kilmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said: I liked the movie, Costner (as Wyatt)) not so much. Quaid nailed it as Doc. As I understand it, Quaid had to lose a substantial amount of weight for the part. From what I've read about the real Doc, Quaid played the part much more accurately than Kilmer. Yes he did, I read he lost 40 pounds to look more like Doc. Val Kilmer had the advantage of great writers though. He has some classic lines in Tombstone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 The cinematography in that movie was outstanding. Costner’s low key performance allowed the other actors to shine, and they did. They stole every scene he was in! I really enjoy the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Tombstone is one of the best modern movies that's came out. You'd think they have beat the story to death. For cast, I'll pick Clementine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 I liked Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp. I liked Kurt Russell in Tombstone. I like the movie Wyatt Earp, but love the movie Tombstone. I have a feeling that in real life Wyatt Earp was a lot more like Kevin Costner’s portrayal than Kurt Russell’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohanaqua Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Hell, I likes ‘em all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Agree that Dennis Quaid nailed Doc. A very, very good and accurate (according to a couple historical accounts I've read) presentation of the lunger dentist. Quite entertaining in a dark way as well. Bunch of great actors. I much preferred Kurt Russell's Wyatt though. I liked Costner in Dances With Wolves much better than as Wyatt although his Wyatt wasn't bad, just very tough competition from Tombstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 This one was in the bargain bin for Blu-Ray. Picked it up by have not yet ripped it to my NAS. I love movies and have a very high threshold of pain, so I'm looking forward to seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WM. Brocious Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 The Wyatt Earp movie was more of a biography of Earps life… VS Tombstone being a story about the OK Corral gunfight..The sets and locations of Wyatt Earp movie were awesome …I particularly remember seeing very authentic canvas tents being shown in the movie how they were in real frontier towns . The buscadero style holsters ruined it for me… Hard to believe they could not find a technical advisor up to par for a movie with that one’s big budget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 4 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I have a feeling that in real life Wyatt Earp was a lot more like Kevin Costner’s portrayal than Kurt Russell’s. Several historians actually agree with that assessment. The real Wyatt Earp was described as having a personality "like a cold fish". Kinda sounds like Costner as well. Tombstone was more fun to watch, but like they say if you want to turn reality into entertainment you have to spice it up a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Can't stand anything with Costner in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Both are good movies. I like Tombstone best. I thought Costner did a good job. I can't of anyone else to cast for the part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 said: Can't stand anything with Costner in it. I didn't used to like Costner, either. Starting with Open Range, I liked him better. As an old man, he's a lot better in his roles than he was as a young man, in my opinion.` Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 Field of Dreams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 How about Silverado? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 1, 2022 Author Share Posted December 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: How about Silverado? The character in Silverado almost ruins that movie for me! I like that movie a lot but Costner’s character was ridiculous! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Tombstone is on YouTube free with ads. https://youtu.be/4JFJH_bbF1Y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 I have both Tombstone and Wyatt Earp on DVD. Of the two, I watch Tombstone more often. Full disclosure- Tombstone is the one western I can watch anytime with my wife as she loves it. Wyatt Earp, seldom if ever with her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 Speaking of Costner how about The Postman?!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Waterworld? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 A very dark Costner movie, well done IMO, is Mr. Brooks. Certainly a very different Costner role. And don't forget Hatfields and McCoys. And there were no buscadero holsters in H&M's as alluded to earlier. Yes, an item I also found very distracting in Wyatt Earp, otherwise quite well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Speaking of Costner how about The Postman?!? 6 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Waterworld? Liked both movies. I liked The Untouchables too. I will say the one thing that really irked me about Costner in Silverado was that scene where he backs out if the saloon (small ess) and pulls both guns to shoot two bad guys at the same time and he pulls the triggers with the guns at about a 45 degree angle and both guys fall dead. You would have thought someone on the production team would have caught that. Other than that, I love that movie. As hokey as it is, it’s one of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yohanaqua Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Really like the Buffalo and Buffalo hunting scenes in WE. Anything with the big shaggies in it does it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 I found Wyatt Earp boring, it would have probably benefited from some more editing and a shorter run time. As for Costner, I think Dances With Wolves may have gone to his head and I found him rather pompous in Wyatt Earp, I certainly didn't find Costner likable in the role. I think Dennis Quaid did a good job as Doc and he probably would have gotten more recognition for his performance if it hadn't been for Val Kilmer's performance in Tombstone, which came out six months prior. Tombstone also benefited from a better supporting cast and better directing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 The two movies were in a sort of competition with Tombstone, which came out earlier getting most of the attention. The Tombstone movie was initially directed by Kevin Jarre, who wrote the screenplay, but was replaced by George Cosmatos. Apparently Kurt Russell took over many of the directing duties even though Cosmatos remained as director. The Tombstone movie highlighted the relationship between Wyatt Earp and Doc Holliday while the Wyatt Earp film showed more of the Earp family and Wyatt's life leading up to Tombstone. The Tombstone movie has better pacing, more action, although some of the Wyatt Earp action moments were pretty good. The rumor at the time was that the Tombstone production got a hold of all the period correct gear, probably due to the fact that Peter Sherayko outfitted the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I will say the one thing that really irked me about Costner in Silverado was that scene where he backs out if the saloon (small ess) and pulls both guns to shoot two bad guys at the same time and he pulls the triggers with the guns at about a 45 degree angle and both guys fall dead. You would have thought someone on the production team would have caught that. 1:56 shows Jake blasting both guys in the knees. I'd not noticed this before. Good catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot, SASS #13748 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 24 minutes ago, Dantankerous said: 1:56 shows Jake blasting both guys in the knees. I'd not noticed this before. Good catch. I figured it must have been a hardwood ricochet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted December 2, 2022 Author Share Posted December 2, 2022 I liked this Josie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: and pulls both guns to shoot two bad guys at the same time and he pulls the triggers with the guns at about a 45 degree angle and both guys fall dead. You would have thought someone on the production team would have caught that. Alec Baldwin has this technique down to a science. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Earp SASS#1628L Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 My take on these two movies: Overall I like Tombstone the most. Better pacing and character development for the cowboys. Better gunfight scene. In WE you really don't get a feel for Ike, Billy, the McLaury's and they look like a bunch of homeless folks. WE was supposed to be a mini series so it may have been better than the condensed movie version. Tombstone might have been even better if Kevin Jarre hadn't been booted. For Wyatt Kurt Russell wins for appearance, wardrobe, guns, etc. Costner wins for demeanor more closely like the real Wyatt. Combine both portrayals with Kurt Russell in the role. For Virgil neither actor. Sam Elliott was too stiff and old, they should have at least dyed his hair and mustache. Madsen just didn't work. For Morgan Linden Asby from WE . Bill Paxton was just too wimpy and what's with that mustache? For Doc Dennis Quaid from WE. Kilmer was excellent but looked a little too healthy. Quaid was a little too dark as the real Doc was known to be a little bit of a jokester. For Ike Stephen Lang nailed it. Supposedly he was even really drunk in some scenes. For Ringo Michael Biehn. Probably one of the best character portrayals in the movie as well as the best Ringo ever. For Curly Bill Powers Boothe hands down. For Josie Joanna Goings hands down as well. Dana Delaney was just too old for the part and too mature for the years portrayed, no real vulnerability as portrayed by Goings. For Billy Thomas Hayden Church. For the rest of the cowboys at least in Tombstone you knew who the McLaury's were. WE cowboys just looked like a bunch of homeless folks. For Johnny Behan Jon Tenney. I like Mark Harmon but what's with those goofy chaps. He wore them in Crossfire Trail too. Tombstone also had the more memorable scenes. Doc knifing Ed Bailey, Wyatt turning out Johnny Tyler, facing down Ike, Doc and Ringo's gunfight, Wyatt blasting Stillwell at the train depot, and on and on. Just my thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 Costner was pretty good as Frank Hamer in The Highwaymen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Sixgun Sheridan said: Costner was pretty good as Frank Hamer in The Highwaymen. I thought he was really good in that movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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