Buckshot Bear Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 How much hotter are small rifle primers over small pistol primers? My gun shop just got in some. Would they increase pressures? Ie a very bad idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I know of folks using them without any issues...that's about all I'll say. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I have reloaded commercially for years, small rifle primers are the same spec as small magnum pistol primers. At the low charges used in CAS, you may not notice none to very small changes in our ammo. ------------------- The same is not true with large pistol / rifle primers. They are not interchangeable due to primer cup length. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I've been using small rifle primers in both pistol and rifle with the same powder charges that I use when using Federal primers. I noticed no pressure change, but with the light loads used in cowboy action shooting I wouldn't expect any pressure signs. If you are loading hot loads, you might have a problem. You are responsible for what you try, my statement is just what i experienced. J.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null N. Void Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 I had a thousand and used the without any problems for practice and local matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 Cheers, I was sitting in my car outside the gun shop (its Friday morning here) when I posted this, just went back in and bought the 5 bricks which I'm very happy to have gotten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 hee hee now you're a hoarder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Horder? 5000 primers is just two three hour days of loading. When I was loading commercially for cas shooters, I would load 2500 each morning. (3 to 3.5 hours, 6 days a week) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Cliff Hanger #3720LR said: Horder? 5000 primers is just two three hour days of loading. When I was loading commercially for cas shooters, I would load 2500 each morning. (3 to 3.5 hours, 6 days a week) When I was practicing, 5000 wouldn't get close to lasting a month. I was running through close to 2000 a week. There's no way to maintain that now. I don't think I've shot that much in the last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I have used them without issue. You have your nay sayers, but in actual experience from people who have used them I haven't heard of one problem that has arrised from using them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just be mindful of the type you get. Some are for AR type rifles and may be considerably harder. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 14 hours ago, Cliff Hanger #3720LR said: I have reloaded commercially for years, small rifle primers are the same spec as small magnum pistol primers. At the low charges used in CAS, you may not notice none to very small changes in our ammo. ------------------- The same is not true with large pistol / rifle primers. They are not interchangeable due to primer cup length. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 Thanks all, I bought 10,000 so I hope all good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickel City Dude Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just out of curiosity what were they selling them for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 29, 2021 Author Share Posted October 29, 2021 21 minutes ago, Nickel City Dude said: Just out of curiosity what were they selling them for? Federals and $90 a brick because I bought them all. Last time a different gun shop had some federal SPP in I paid $130 Three years ago I was paying $43 a brick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I just bought 5,000 Federal SPP, just over $700 delivered. That's up from a few months ago, not a good sign. I'll start watching for Federal small rifle primers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 And to think I just sold 10K for $550... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 30, 2021 Author Share Posted October 30, 2021 Looking at the anvil on the Federal SPP the primer is yellowish, looking at the anvil on the Federal SRP the primer is purplish....so you can tell them apart that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: And to think I just sold 10K for $550... Because down deep, your a decent guy! Knowing that is worth a lot to you ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Yup, I remember when 1000 primers went up to $11! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancho Roy Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 CCI Small Rifle and Small Pistol primers are identical. We were told they come off the same line. Not sure about other brands..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Remington are same primers in different labeled boxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 18 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said: Federals and $90 a brick because I bought them all. Last time a different gun shop had some federal SPP in I paid $130 Three years ago I was paying $43 a brick $90 AUD is still cheaper than here. $100 AUD here on average and higher if you add in shipping and Hazmat charge. More like $140+ AUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 Fired off 300 rounds of primed with small rifle primers .38 brass yesterday and they all fired fine through the Uberti '73, Vaqueros and S&W Model 28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 On 10/30/2021 at 10:46 AM, Marauder SASS #13056 said: Yup, I remember when 1000 primers went up to $11! Ah, but more importantly can you remember what happened yesterday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I had a good breakfast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 ive got both small pistol and rifle but in small quantities , sounds like i have a combined adequate quantity , for a little while anyway , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, watab kid said: ive got both small pistol and rifle but in small quantities , sounds like i have a combined adequate quantity , for a little while anyway , I reload for myself and 5 family members, they chew through ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Bringing this back for a question. Knowing that small rifle primers are same as small pistol is good, but what about small rifle MAGNUM primers? Are those interchangeable with small pistol magnum (which for CAS use would be same as SP)? In particular, does being magnum make them have a harder cup that would take more force to set off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Might want to read this test on rifle primers. https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346914 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Bringing this back for a question. Knowing that small rifle primers are same as small pistol is good, but what about small rifle MAGNUM primers? Are those interchangeable with small pistol magnum (which for CAS use would be same as SP)? In particular, does being magnum make them have a harder cup that would take more force to set off? Depends. Go to SKSboards and look up primer info chart it will answer most of your ?. I think the CCI are a little softer than when this article was written but very good info there. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, Cliff Hanger #3720LR said: Might want to read this test on rifle primers. https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=346914 Thanks. That tells me that the cci small rifle magnum cups were probably harder than standard a dozen years ago, but I'm wondering if that has changed now that cci standard cups seem more like Federal. 4 hours ago, Kid Rich said: Depends. Go to SKSboards and look up primer info chart it will answer most of your ?. I think the CCI are a little softer than when this article was written but very good info there. kR Thanks. A 2010 discussion indicated that the magnum cups are harder, but again has anything changed? I am going to assume that they are still harder unless some folks come forward and say they have been using them with no problems in their tuned CAS guns. Natchez has had the small magnum rifle lately . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Abilene, I have 1K of the Magnum CCI srp arriving tomorrow and will test them to see if they are indeed harder than the spp. The cup should be a few thousands thicker but if my rifles set them off there probably isn't a great deal of difference. My revolvers have a little stronger springs in them so that should be no problem. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Kid Rich said: Abilene, I have 1K of the Magnum CCI srp arriving tomorrow and will test them to see if they are indeed harder than the spp. The cup should be a few thousands thicker but if my rifles set them off there probably isn't a great deal of difference. My revolvers have a little stronger springs in them so that should be no problem. kR Not really thicker, just a harder cup. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Not really thicker, just a harder cup. OLG According to the article they are indeed thicker. 25 thousands opposed to either 17 or 20 thousands. If you disagree with that go to SKSboards and get them to set the record straight. I'm not making any claims just trying to help a fellow shooter. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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