Goody, SASS #26190 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Fellow today at a shoot was talking about how some are straightening the triggers out on 73's now and setting them back. Now I haven't been a TG for awhile, but I don't recall any talk of a rule change over this. This would seemto go against the "no external mods" section in the SHB. So, did I miss something or is the camel poking his nose in the tent again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Hi Goody, This is from the SHB, page 3. "All parts may be smoothed, reprofiled, polished, deburred, or replaced provided they are not prohibited in these Covenants." Maybe that alteration could be considered reprofiling. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted July 27, 2013 Share Posted July 27, 2013 Slick McClade has a straight trigger for a Marlin. http://www.slickmagicguns.com/RifleParts.html Haven't heard of one for a 66/73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 Lppks like you're right, Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colt McAllister Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Been reshaping 73 triggers since 2002. I've done this when doing a one piece trigger with a trigger stop. It can effect the stroke measurement on deluxe guns not straight stocks. Due to the poor measuring techniques that was drummed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Slick McClade has a straight trigger for a Marlin. http://www.slickmagicguns.com/RifleParts.html Haven't heard of one for a 66/73 Put that in the wife's Marlin. She loves it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mink Shoals Bandit, #49388 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 That's good to know Allie, I've been wanting to "re profile" some hammers, Thanks, Mink............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Hacker, #60477 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 It's hard to imagine some mod that you could not make in the name of "re-profiling". If I were king, I would have to believe that the re-profiling term had to do with internal parts, in light of the "externally visible" qualifier used elsewhere. Don't have a dog in this fight, just offering an opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Hey Mack, This rule came to my attention when I saw a pair of pistols where Ol' No. 4 had reprofiled the hammers to lower them. I think that would sure help one to shoot duelist. I didn't have it done though. It doesn't get much more external than a hammer and PaleWolf verified that it was okay to reprofile hammers. Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lead Ringer Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 This is an intetesting thread. Am I to understand if I'm simply reprofiling its not an external mod? Mack Hacker makes a good point. Ringer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Wow, this changes everything. I believe I'll re-profile my stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 ANY EXTERNAL MODIFICATION TO ANY FIREARM NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN THIS HANDBOOK IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED! Since the trigger modification is an external modification and is not specifically allowed. TRIGGERS AND TRIGGER GUARDS• Triggers may be profiled to narrow their width.• Trigger position may be adjusted.• Trigger stops may be added.• Shotgun trigger guards may be wrapped with leather or other natural material.• Bending the trigger guard on side by sides so triggers are more exposed is not allowed.• Trigger shoes are not allowed. On it's surface I would say that Slick's trigger is an illegal modification. Unless someone can pull out a ruling by the Rules Committee I would say that straightening the trigger is NOT ALLOWED. Maybe some spin Doctor would say this is adjusting the trigger position. Seems to me that the trigger should be curved not straight! As for Hammers on revolvers. Ruger Super Blackhawk/Montado style revolver hammers (i.e. lowered and widened hammers) are acceptable on both adjustable and fixed sight model revolvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I agree with Ace of Hearts on the straight triggers. HOWEVER, I am not in charge so my opinion is worth what it cost you to get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Would some nice cowperson please explain the advantage of a straight trigger ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 Ace, that is what I wasremembering. But I couldn't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I've heard that a straight trigger might reduce the likelihood of pinching your finger, but I don't know from experience having never used a straight trigger, nor pinched my finger while shooting the rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I've heard that a straight trigger might reduce the likelihood of pinching your finger, but I don't know from experience having never used a straight trigger, nor pinched my finger while shooting the rifle. That is the reason for it. Although if your not paying attention and put your finger in the wrong spot the straight trigger can pushed through your finger just like a curves one can. I have the scar to prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Would some nice cowperson please explain the advantage of a straight trigger ? The straight trigger is said to reduce the pinching cause by sticking you finger inside the trigger guard AND THEN closing the lever. The trigger is driven into your trigger finger causing EXTREME pain and a stream of words that usually shouldn't be uttered. And a lot of blood flow. It is more common with Marlin rifles and there is a trigger that ALMOST eliminates the problem http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/259762/wild-west-guns-rifle-trigger-marlin-336-444-1894-1895-blue Straightening the trigger on a 66/73 also helps the problem in that gun. The "Happy Trigger" for the Marlins looks exactly like the factory trigger. (And are legal) The straightened trigger as shown on Slick McClades website do not resemble the factory trigger at all. (And in my opinion are not legal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 The straight trigger is said to reduce the pinching cause by sticking you finger inside the trigger guard AND THEN closing the lever. The trigger is driven into your trigger finger causing EXTREME pain and a stream of words that usually shouldn't be uttered. And a lot of blood flow. It is more common with Marlin rifles and there is a trigger that ALMOST eliminates the problem http://www.midwayusa.com/Product/259762/wild-west-guns-rifle-trigger-marlin-336-444-1894-1895-blue Straightening the trigger on a 66/73 also helps the problem in that gun. The "Happy Trigger" for the Marlins looks exactly like the factory trigger. (And are legal) The straightened trigger as shown on Slick McClades website do not resemble the factory trigger at all. (And in my opinion are not legal) "Resemble"...is that a requirement??? What do you base your opinion regarding the legality on??? Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 "Resemble"...is that a requirement??? What do you base your opinion regarding the legality on??? Phantom See post #12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 See post #12 Your comment of "Resemble"...was therefore meaningless...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hello, Between "All parts may be smoothed, reprofiled, polished, deburred, or replaced provided they are not prohibited in these Covenants "and "Trigger position may be adjusted," I'm having a hard time stating unequivocally that straight triggers are prohibited, thus illegal. I would need to see where it is "prohibited in these Covenants." Regards, Allie Mo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 ANY EXTERNAL MODIFICATION TO ANY FIREARM NOT SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED IN THIS HANDBOOK IS EXPRESSLY PROHIBITED! Since the trigger modification is an external modification and is not specifically allowed. TRIGGERS AND TRIGGER GUARDS • Triggers may be profiled to narrow their width. • Trigger position may be adjusted. • Trigger stops may be added. • Shotgun trigger guards may be wrapped with leather or other natural material. • Bending the trigger guard on side by sides so triggers are more exposed is not allowed. • Trigger shoes are not allowed. On it's surface I would say that Slick's trigger is an illegal modification. Unless someone can pull out a ruling by the Rules Committee I would say that straightening the trigger is NOT ALLOWED. Maybe some spin Doctor would say this is adjusting the trigger position. Seems to me that the trigger should be curved not straight! As for Hammers on revolvers. Ruger Super Blackhawk/Montado style revolver hammers (i.e. lowered and widened hammers) are acceptable on both adjustable and fixed sight model revolvers. Spin???? Hello, Between "All parts may be smoothed, reprofiled, polished, deburred, or replaced provided they are not prohibited in these Covenants "and "Trigger position may be adjusted," I'm having a hard time stating unequivocally that straight triggers are prohibited, thus illegal. I would need to see where it is "prohibited in these Covenants." Regards, Allie Mo You take a curved trigger and make it straight. You can't do that without changing the position. How simple and unambiguous is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Dog, SASS #20401 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 This is to be expected since we long ago rolled to the bottom of the slippery slope. The old 10 foot rule would preclude a straight trigger but oh well whatever... I WANT three make it four if they fit a 66 too! My hypocrisy goes only so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 10 foot rule? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Hi Hoss, There is no 10 foot rule. However, folks used to think if you couldn't tell if something was modified instead of original from 10 feet away, it should be okay. Regards, Allie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Maybe we should define every word in the Handbook in the Glossary. This is getting worse than the Democrats INTERRUPTING the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Geissele puts out a straight trigger for AR15's used in 3-gun competition. A few other folks put out straight triggers for 1911's used for: competition. It seems to be a practice that applies to competition firearms across a broad set of games. Frankly, there is NO competitive advantage in a straight trigger and they do require practice to get comfortable with them. You would probably never find them on a duty piece because the have a tendency to pull the firearm off line with heavier (stock) triggers. I don't believe they look all that bad, and while I'm not a fan of defeating trigger safeties, I believe them to be within the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 Just to clarify, I am neither for or against them. Just was wondering if they were allowable under the current set of rules. I was never against someone changing hammers out, but made several calls before it was allowed. You either have rules or you don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 You either have rules or you don't. And then there's those few who twist the rules and the unpublished, undocumented decisions & rulings which we never see....... makes it tuff sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manatee Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Frankly, the ones I've seen "look cowboy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COLORADO JACKSON Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Just to clarify, I am neither for or against them. Just was wondering if they were allowable under the current set of rules. I was never against someone changing hammers out, but made several calls before it was allowed. You either have rules or you don't. Pot Stirrer....Is your name Sam? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted July 29, 2013 Author Share Posted July 29, 2013 No, I am Son of Sam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Unless I pointed it out. 99.9% would look at one on the rifle and never know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 Maybe we should define every word in the Handbook in the Glossary. This is getting worse than the Democrats INTERRUPTING the Constitution. Say what??? I take it only your understanding is the correct one...we should perhaps just all shut up. and the 10' rules was "if it looks cowboy from 10', it's good" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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