H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Well, since it's getting late in the year, I wrote to Hodgdon to ask about Trail Boss. Here's their response.... "We are working on getting this great powder back to the market soon." Somehow, that seems promising to me. No word from Alliant about Red Dot yet though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 (edited) The check is in the mail. It’s on the truck. You’re next on the list. Edited November 5 by Abilene Slim SASS 81783 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Trail who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 I’m retired! Got no boss! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 same old story , for what 5 years now ? CB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 There have been at least 50 posts on this in the past few months. Trail Boss is made in Australia. Just a couple of weeks ago one of our Australian pards posted this response from ADI "Trail Boss, AR2205, AR2206(H), AR2207 – These propellants only account for a small proportion of our annual demand." So in industry speak "We are working on getting this great powder back to the market soon" means they don't have any, aren't likely to have any any time soon if ever, but just in case we are stringing you along. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 YEPPER!! BIG PLUS ONE for Larsen E. Pettifogger you betcha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 On 11/5/2024 at 6:38 AM, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: There have been at least 50 posts on this in the past few months. Trail Boss is made in Australia. Just a couple of weeks ago one of our Australian pards posted this response from ADI "Trail Boss, AR2205, AR2206(H), AR2207 – These propellants only account for a small proportion of our annual demand." So in industry speak "We are working on getting this great powder back to the market soon" means they don't have any, aren't likely to have any any time soon if ever, but just in case we are stringing you along. They did mention in their August notification, that TB production would commence "Late 2024 or early 2025" If you look on their website, that posting is still up, but I contacted them three times via their "Contact Us" feature and have received no reply. So I guess there's no hope. Oh well, I have lots of Starline's .45 Cowboy Specials now and loading them with Titegroup for the SAAs, 231 for the .45 Colt used in my '73 and a contact for a kit to modify the '73 to shoot Cowboy Specials. I just hate losing those $mall ca$e$ in the gra$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 I'll get yelled at but.....I don't get the whole powder thing. Someone will ask whats the best powder for a 38 special with a 125 grain bullet for my pistols. And 29 different answers later. My response has always been, 'if it goes bang shoot it'! Can we all just assume Trail Boss doesn't exist and we can all move along? 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 (edited) Trail Boss was discontinued on June 1st, 2018 - six and a half years ago. I still say, "It ain't coming back". There are six 9 oz bottles on Montana Gun Trader right now for $30 each. A year and a half ago, I saw two 9 oz bottles go for $855, plus shipping & hazmat, on Gunbroker. Edited November 14 by Three Foot Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Maybe it's false confidence but I believe TB & clays will come back...I'[m tipping 2025 !! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 On 11/10/2024 at 11:06 AM, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: I'll get yelled at but.....I don't get the whole powder thing. Someone will ask whats the best powder for a 38 special with a 125 grain bullet for my pistols. And 29 different answers later. My response has always been, 'if it goes bang shoot it'! Can we all just assume Trail Boss doesn't exist and we can all move along? Yes, moving on and using another powder vs stopping to shoot, hard to disagree with that. However, the safety aspect of a powder with a VMD of .21716 (not very dense, accidental double charges unlikely), is a feature that is hard to ignore. Powders that are dense in comparison can have powder position and reliable ignition issues as well. Moving on can be a challenge, especially for those of us that consider going bang as only one of the factors for considering a powder suitable for loading cowboy ammunition. Very often moving on means compromised performance. BTW, even when TB was available, I loaded some of my ammunition with other powder because it was better than TB for that particular load. For 38 Spl with a 125 grain bullet, 700X does a decent job, a bit dirty but powder position is acceptable and primer brisance doesn't seem to be a big factor. Try 3 grains and go +/- from there. Unfortunately availability is a bit sporadic on that one as well. BB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 Those of you looking for a bulky powder to replace Trail Boss should consider this new product on the market: While marketed under an old name, both it and the company making it are new the shooting market... you might recognize the name... Goex. It's predecessors have been around for hundreds of years, basic formula has remained largely unchanged... yet still seems to harbor a certain mystique for the uninitiated. It works in rifle, pistol and shotgun ammo. Easy to load and clean... I don't know how much water costs in your part of the world, but even heated up, I find it less expensive than most any chemical. 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erasmus Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 But what if you're the kind of person that just has to shoot an imported powder? On 11/14/2024 at 10:39 AM, Griff said: Those of you looking for a bulky powder to replace Trail Boss should consider this new product on the market: ... you might recognize the name... Goex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dilli GaHoot Galoot Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 On 11/4/2024 at 6:20 PM, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: The check is in the mail. It’s on the truck. You’re next on the list. We are just 2 weeks away from starting full production Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 18 minutes ago, Dilli GaHoot Galoot said: We are just 2 weeks away from starting full production Production of what ? New bs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 1 hour ago, Erasmus said: But what if you're the kind of person that just has to shoot an imported powder? Then there's Swiss and Scheutzen and Grafs and... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 I haven't seen any Black Powder for years in Canada. Blackhorn 209 is over $300 a pound, ($160 for an 8 oz). BP may as well be banned here, nobody will ship it, and I've considered making my own. BTW, does anyone know how many gallons of urine you need to make an ounce of saltpeter. https://survivalschool.com/using-urine-make-potassium-nitrate/ For Muzzle loader whitetail I was using decade old Black MZ, I only had one hangfire. And my son found two # of APP that are likely 20 years old, and one container has "NFG" written on it! We're using the other one. No issues with ignition with it. Staying in the game has been a challenge. I think we'll see Trail Boss before there is any BP on the shelves. BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 (edited) 3 hours ago, "Big Boston" said: I haven't seen any Black Powder for years in Canada. Blackhorn 209 is over $300 a pound, ($160 for an 8 oz). BP may as well be banned here, nobody will ship it, and I've considered making my own. BTW, does anyone know how many gallons of urine you need to make an ounce of saltpeter. https://survivalschool.com/using-urine-make-potassium-nitrate/ For Muzzle loader whitetail I was using decade old Black MZ, I only had one hangfire. And my son found two # of APP that are likely 20 years old, and one container has "NFG" written on it! We're using the other one. No issues with ignition with it. Staying in the game has been a challenge. I think we'll see Trail Boss before there is any BP on the shelves. BB You Tube video called Everything Black Powder Edited November 16 by Texas Jack Black Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 17 Author Share Posted November 17 8 hours ago, Texas Jack Black said: I haven't seen any Black Powder for years in Canada. Blackhorn 209 is over $300 a pound, ($160 for an 8 oz). BP may as well be banned here, nobody will ship it, and I've considered making my own. BTW, does anyone know how many gallons of urine you need to make an ounce of saltpeter. Blackhorn 209 is sadly not SASS legal for some reason. (Wish that would change.) But, urine? You don't need any urine. You just need to find a deposit of coal, a deposit of sulpher, and a deposit of potassium nitrate. You mix them together, stirring with a stick, and you've got functional black powder! Hey, it worked for Captain Kirk! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 27 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Blackhorn 209 is sadly not SASS legal for some reason. (Wish that would change.) But, urine? You don't need any urine. You just need to find a deposit of coal, a deposit of sulpher, and a deposit of potassium nitrate. You mix them together, stirring with a stick, and you've got functional black powder! Hey, it worked for Captain Kirk! You forgot the rotten hollow log. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 32 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Blackhorn 209 is sadly not SASS legal for some reason. (Wish that would change.) But, urine? You don't need any urine. You just need to find a deposit of coal, a deposit of sulpher, and a deposit of potassium nitrate. You mix them together, stirring with a stick, and you've got functional black powder! Hey, it worked for Captain Kirk! Blackhorn 209 is not SASS legal because it is a duplex powder. I don’t remember which, but It contains either nitroglycerin or nitrocellulose in addition to a black power substitute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 42 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Blackhorn 209 is sadly not SASS legal for some reason. (Wish that would change.) But, urine? You don't need any urine. You just need to find a deposit of coal, a deposit of sulpher, and a deposit of potassium nitrate. You mix them together, stirring with a stick, and you've got functional black powder! Hey, it worked for Captain Kirk! Not my post? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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