Another newbie question - how many rounds?

[Dapper Dave]

Just curious, how many rounds are usually shot per match? Meaning, what should I bring, 100, 200 for the rifle and pistols? Just curious, and gives me yet another excuse to cast and load this weekend.

[Leroy Luck]

If you figure a six stage match with four shotgun targets each (24 total) then it’s 60 rifle, 60 pistol and one box of shotshell. 
 

This is obviously not taking into consideration re-shoots or makeups with the shotgun. Plus I always take extra ammo in case somebody else has a bad day with ammo. 

[Dapper Dave]

That's a good starting point, thank you.

[Matthew Duncan]

I agree with Leroy's numbers.

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Have at least 2 bxs of SG ammo.

 

 

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

You can only answer base on usage. Basically 10 rounds of rifle, 10 rounds of pistol and 4 SG per stage.

 

Multiply by how many stages the club shoots...this is why you can't use the above mentioned 60/60/25 number. Some clubs shoot less than 6 and some shoot more.

 

Phantom

[Captain Bill Burt]

As Phantom said, count on 10-10-4 rounds per stage. 

 

For a six stage match technically a box of shotgun shells is enough, but, even if you don't miss a SG target on the first five stages, you're likely walking up to the sixth stage with four shotgun targets and only 5 shells in your belt.  Rule of thumb for me, if two of us are shooting a match, I bring enough ammo for three.  If three of us are shooting, I bring enough ammo for four, and so on.  If it's a major match I increase the safety margin even farther.

[Frontier Lone Rider]

The 10 - 10 is pretty much true for most stages and matches, unless you eject one and need a reload.  The 4 for shotgun can vary.  I just shot an Annual that had 6 shot gun on almost every stage.  More fun for everyone.

[Eyesa Horg]

Some clubs post their scenario for a match in advance. Download it you'll know the minimum needed. 

As said, usually 10 rifle and 10 pistol per stage + 2-6 SG. Have extra for SG misses and jacked rounds. On occasion there will be an extra reload on the clock. Always bring extra!!

 

[Jack Spade]

As said bring enough for the match and a make up stage.  I usually carry an extra 50-100 in my cart like Leroy said in case someone has ammo problems and I usually carry another 100 or so rounds in the truck. 

[Abilene, SASS # 27489]

I only keep enough extra ammo in the cart for one additional stage, in case of a reshoot, since more just adds weight.  I almost never need it.  And more is in the car, just in case.  At some clubs you can do a little practice after the main match, if you wish.

[Phantom, SASS #54973]

30 minutes ago, Frontier Lone Rider said:

The 10 - 10 is pretty much true for most stages and matches, unless you eject one and need a reload.  The 4 for shotgun can vary.  I just shot an Annual that had 6 shot gun on almost every stage.  More fun for everyone.

Obviously one needs extra...but defining extra is rather hard to do.

 

If someone want to only bring the "exact" amount of ammo that they will need to shoot a match...they better have a nice little crystal ball.

 

And seriously, why do you take up half a page with your "list" of achievements?????

 

Phantom

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

2 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said:

As Phantom said, count on 10-10-4 rounds per stage. 

 

For a six stage match technically a box of shotgun shells is enough, but, even if you don't miss a SG target on the first five stages, you're likely walking up to the sixth stage with four shotgun targets and only 5 shells in your belt.  Rule of thumb for me, if two of us are shooting a match, I bring enough ammo for three.  If three of us are shooting, I bring enough ammo for four, and so on.  If it's a major match I increase the safety margin even farther.

Always allow for a stage reshoot  

[Griff]

I've never run short for a single day match by taking 100 rifle, 100 pistol and 2 boxes of shotshells.  Doubling that when it's a 2 or 3 day match still leaves me with taking unused ammo home.

[Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L]

I think this should be sufficient: 

 

[Three Foot Johnson]

One club I shoot at has a minimum of 6 shotshells per stage, with one of the six stages often set up for twelve or more.

[Judah MacAbee SASS #64095 Life]

At Rio Salado - 100 rifle, 100 revolver and 50 shotgun (2 boxes) will get you through all monthly match stages and leave enough for a reshoot or lending ammo to another shooter. (I've never gone home with no ammo left unless I gave my extra ammo to another Cowboy.)

[Hoss]

At a state match  I once shot a few more rounds in the side matches than I planned for. As I was loading my ammo blocks for the 2nd day stages I realized I had just enough to finish the match. Like down to the round!  Sure, I could have borrowed ammo from any number of Pards, but since then I do the 10/10/4 x stages x1.5, plus 100 of everything for side matches. Then I throw in an extra hundred rounds of everything!  Most stays in truck, but as Capt Call said:”It’s better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it”! 

[H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619]

10-10-4  Per Stage.
6 Stages.
60 Pistol  60 Rifle  24 Shotgun.

Pistol/Rifle rounds come in boxes of 50.
Shotgun come in boxes of 25.

So, I always bring 50 Shotgun.
If I am shooting different calibers in my pistols from my rifle, 100, Pistol, 100, rifle.
If pistol and rifle are in the same caliber, I bring 150 total.

 

Adjust as needed based on number of stages/number of calibers used.

[Ashley D Austin]

Most stages are 10 pistol, 10 rifle, 2-6 shotgun not including shotgun misses.

 

Many clubs email or post the number of stages and the minimum amount of ammo to bring to their monthly matches.

 

I usually bring at least 25 extra pistol, 25 extra rifle, and 25 extra shotgun for reloading after ejecting a rifle round, a stage calls for an 11th pistol or rifle round, shotgun misses and make ups, and the occasional time a stage is reshot.

 

Sometimes I am surprised when the club I go to, that usually shoots 5 stages, decides to shoot 6 stages that day.

 

Rule of thumb; always bring plenty of extra ammo!

 

 

[Dapper Dave]

Thank you all - I just need to know how many to cast up and load, so figuring on 200+ 38Specials for the revolvers and rifle, and 2 boxes of shotgun ammo...I still need to buy some 12 ga ammo, unsure of the exact type, since I will be borrowing a shotgun. most likely - if I was borrowing YOUR shotgun, what ammo would you like to see me provide?

I foresee much casting in my future. Fortunately, I have a few pounds of lead. 😁 And a lead smelter next door. Seriously. 🙂

[Whitey James]

I buy either Winchester AA target loads or Remington Gun Club target loads. I don't re-load shotgun (yet) but the re-loaders seem to like the Remington STS hulls.

[John Kloehr]

1 hour ago, Dapper Dave said:

... if I was borrowing YOUR shotgun, what ammo would you like to see me provide?

 

Winchester 12GA LNLR #8. They work in my guns so far (minimal experience), and I hear they are also good reloadable hulls. But they all went bang, the recoil is not in the heavy level, targets have all gone down, and the pattern is reasonably tight.

 

My Stoeger SxS is down, just tried them in a pair of '97s. The only problem is finding them (just found a case) so I would certainly listen to the other options listed above.

Edited October 25 by John Kloehr

[Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971]

If someone wants to shoot my shotgun they need to bring factory ammo and not reloads.  There are a few I have shot with for years whose ammo I trust.  For anyone else factory ammo only!

[Leroy Luck]

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2900197404?pid=197404

 

This is the most common stuff people run and/or try to duplicate with reloads 

[watab kid]

i always have about twice what is needed by calculations , you never know what might come up , you can always leave some in the car .......being short is a real PITA 

[Dapper Dave]

14 hours ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said:

If someone wants to shoot my shotgun they need to bring factory ammo and not reloads.  There are a few I have shot with for years whose ammo I trust.  For anyone else factory ammo only!

Exactly - I wouldn't let someone shoot their reloads in my guns and I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to let me shoot my stuff in their guns, either, so absolutely factory ammo only. I am just looking for the best stuff available widely that would make a pard smile if offered. 

Edit to add that I found that Winchester stuff at MidwayUSA, so there is a distinct possibility it's available locally. 

Edited October 25 by Dapper Dave

[Dapper Dave]

19 hours ago, Whitey James said:

I buy either Winchester AA target loads or Remington Gun Club target loads. I don't re-load shotgun (yet) but the re-loaders seem to like the Remington STS hulls.

These the ones? All I could find local.

[Ashley D Austin]

19 hours ago, Dapper Dave said:

Thank you all - I just need to know how many to cast up and load, so figuring on 200+ 38Specials for the revolvers and rifle, and 2 boxes of shotgun ammo...I still need to buy some 12 ga ammo, unsure of the exact type, since I will be borrowing a shotgun. most likely - if I was borrowing YOUR shotgun, what ammo would you like to see me provide?

I foresee much casting in my future. Fortunately, I have a few pounds of lead. 😁 And a lead smelter next door. Seriously. 🙂

For CAS the targets at most clubs go down using 980 FPS loads, although some clubs have heavier targets. In CAS we are knocking down close proximity targets, not trying to kill an elephant or hit a goose at 800 ft. My experience is, I have not needed SG loads more than 1150 FPS at any of the ranges I have gone to. And, when reloading I always follow a formula chart.

When loading; the weight of shot, the manufacturer of hull, the wad, and manufacturer and type of powder all go into the formula.

CAS requires a certain weight of shot, and certain types of loads are not permitted, so please read the manual before beginning https://sassnet.com/uploads/downloads/Shooters Handbooks - CAS/CAS SHB Vers 27.5 - 2024.pdf

After deciding what shot weight you are interested in loading, look at some charts to determine which hulls, wads and powder work with the shot to complete a load for the FPS you want.

Hint: I have found using a shot card or disc helps keep the shot in after reloading.

 

 

[Whitey James]

1 hour ago, Dapper Dave said:

These the ones? All I could find local.

Yeah, I bought a case of those and am shooting them because I couldn't find the AA's in stock at my local stores. They are not re-loadable but they eject easy out of my coach gun and are low recoil.

[Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971]

Gun Clubs are reloadable.  I just shot a couple of boxes of reloaded Gun Clubs here at Bordertown.  However, STS and Nitro. hulls make better reloads.  If you like the Gun Clubs just buy them as they are less costly than AAs.

[Dapper Dave]

The only thing I don't reload is shotgun. Someone will be happy to take them home.

Edited October 25 by Dapper Dave

[Whitey James]

1 hour ago, Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 said:

Gun Clubs are reloadable.  I just shot a couple of boxes of reloaded Gun Clubs here at Bordertown.  However, STS and Nitro. hulls make better reloads.  If you like the Gun Clubs just buy them as they are less costly than AAs.

I must have misheard when I asked another cowboy if he wanted the hulls. Could have sworn they said that they were not loadable. I may get into shotshell loading at some point. never had a desire to until starting SASS

[Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971]

It does not take much shot to produce 3/4 or 7/8 oz reloads that are considerably cheaper than LNLR AAs.  A simple single stage shotgun press can easily produce enough shells for a match.

[Eyesa Horg]

31 minutes ago, Dapper Dave said:

The only thing I don't reload is shotgun. Someone will be happy to take them home.

Save them. You may be reloading eventually. Ellie's knocking em down with 3/4 oz at around 700 fps IIRC. due to a shoulder injury. Pretty much no recoil and so for a year now 100% reliable.