Assassination attempt

[DeaconKC]

Just now, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

 

That's fine.  When I read it, though, I thought, "Yep....I can hear him calling his wife and saying that!"  People react to gallows humor in different ways.

Just like now, I wonder when someone will come up with a .45-47 wildcat round.

Oh, I laughed at the "phone call".

It was the disgusting comments from those wanting the shooter to have succeeded that turned my stomach.

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

The congressman who posted that video now says that he found out that the video of Trump playing golf was uploaded today but it was not taken today. He admits he was wrong.

[Subdeacon Joe]

47 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

As requested.  https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/trump-hits-golf-course-less-24-hours-after-surviving-assassination

 

Maybe not:

 

https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/did-trump-play-golf-in-bedminster-on-sunday-after-assassination-attempt-video-and-reddit-post-spark-debate-article-111740919

[Ozark Huckleberry]

Looked at the video of the shot, was pretty shocked at a conclusion I came to.

 

Watching the video, Trump is looking to the right. As he's speaking, the microphone picks up gunshots. It's the fraction of a second before that that tells a story.

 

As Trump is speaking, he turns his head slightly more to the right. Just at that moment, the microphone picks up a sharp 'click' sound, followed by the sound of gunshots. Just after the click, Trump hunches his right shoulder in a flinch, then reaches up to his right ear. The click was probably caused by the bullet passing by.

 

Take 3,000 fps as the ballpark velocity of a 5.56 round, 140 yards/420 feet as the ballpark distance (as displayed in the image on a news broadcast). 15/100th of a second to travel the distance. About the difference in time between the click and the arrival of the sound of gunshots.

 

It appears that when Trump was turning his head, which averted a more catastrophic wound, the bullet was likely already on the way.

[Ozark Huckleberry]

Watching the unfolding of the Trump miracle (it would surely irk MSM if that stuck), I have to say something that irked me about the Secret Service performance. Their gun handling.

 

At the evac point, as Trump is getting loaded into the vehicle, the SS agents' gun handling skills left a bit to be desired.

 

One agent draws a pistol, sweeps the crowd and nearby law enforcement, then stabs at her holster a few times trying to reholster, then apparently gives up and goes back to sweeping the crowd.

 

I realize there's a lot going on right about then, but c'mon! 

 

 

Edited July 15 by Ozark Huckleberry

[Rye Miles #13621]

8 hours ago, Rip Snorter said:

As requested.  https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/trump-hits-golf-course-less-24-hours-after-surviving-assassination

This has been proven false by Mike Lee who posted it. He admitted he was wrong. 
This would have been the lead story on all the major news outlets!

Edited July 15 by Rye Miles #13621

[Pat Riot]

This is a picture posted on Epoch Times this morning. It’s a layout of the area where this attempted assassination took place. 
 

This is a photo of the police (Secret Service?) snipers. I posted this because I am hoping someone recognizes the model of rifles they are using. 

[Rye Miles #13621]

6 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

This is a picture posted on Epoch Times this morning. It’s a layout of the area where this attempted assassination took place. 
 

This is a photo of the police (Secret Service?) snipers. I posted this because I am hoping someone recognizes the model of rifles they are using. 

I wondered the same thing. I assume it’s some kind of bolt action? Just a guess…..

[Tex Jones, SASS 2263]

Looks like the counter snipers are using rifles chambered in rounds larger than .223s, possibly .308 or larger, judging from the size of the magazines.  Stephen Hunter posted something on Facebook yesterday that said the shooter was using too light a bullet, which was deflected a bit due to wind, while the Secret service counter snipers used a heavier bullet that wasn't.

[Chantry]

Wikipedia says the Secret Service uses the .300 Winchester Magnum in Remington 700 action.  Looking at the photos the Rem 700 action is in a "chassis" stock and has probably had extensive work done to the action to improve the accuracy

[Father Kit Cool Gun Garth]

Found this video on  which clearly shows that the shooter was spotted [and videoed] crawling on the roof before shots we were fired. 

 

 

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPREoAXnX/

 

 

 

Edited July 15 by Father Kit Cool Gun Garth
Add we d new photo

[Father Kit Cool Gun Garth]

More found on .

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPREoBCrx/

 

 

 

Edited July 15 by Father Kit Cool Gun Garth

[Pat Riot]

42 minutes ago, Chantry said:

Wikipedia says the Secret Service uses the .300 Winchester Magnum in Remington 700 action.  Looking at the photos the Rem 700 action is in a "chassis" stock and has probably had extensive work done to the action to improve the accuracy

Thank you. When I first saw them I thought they might be Ruger Precision Rifles.

Anyone that has handled metal outside wouldn’t opt for a black metal chassis. 

Man can they get hot. In Butler that evening it was pretty darn toasty. 
 

I have been seeing a lot of guys buying tripods and adaptors for shooting. I considered buying one, but then it’s just another piece of gear to haul around and deal with.
I have crappy vision even with glasses. Buying a highly accurized rifle and tripod and all the other gear “tactical” guys “need” would be like buying ocean fishing gear for the trout pond. 

[Eyesa Horg]

48 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said:

More found on .

 

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPREoBCrx/

 

 

 

Just like school shootings, LE waits til after the fact to neutralize the shooter.

[Subdeacon Joe]

11 hours ago, DeaconKC said:

Oh, I laughed at the "phone call".

It was the disgusting comments from those wanting the shooter to have succeeded that turned my stomach.

 

Thanks for the clarification. I obviously thought of the wrong post.

 

Yeah...I know what you mean.  Skye News has a few commentaries about how Big Corporate Press and leftist politicians need to own up to the fact that their violent, incendiary rhetoric .  "OH!  But CONSERVATIVES do the same!"  Yeah, a few do, and the more outrageous ones are usually vilified by the other 95%.  It isn't systemic as it is in the Press.  

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/paul-murray/divisive-deranged-rhetoric-like-put-trump-in-a-bullseye-is-dangerous/video/a7868703715ea6c5af1bdcdf7230d74f

One thing is that she has her timeline wrong - it started as soon as he announced he was running.  https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/violence-breaks-trump-rally-san-jose-protesters-hurl/story?id=39576437  (Naturally the Lord High Mayor of San Jose put as much blame on the Trump supporters for the violence as he did on the rioters, how DARE they fight back and try to protect themselves.)

https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/paul-murray/media-must-own-up-to-attempted-trump-assassination/video/53521cf1bcf7af48a8025ca29e016042

The really disgusting thing is that Americans have to look to foreign news sources for accurate coverage.

 

[Texas Joker]

9 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Just like school shootings, LE waits til after the fact to neutralize the shooter.

But devils advocate if snipers just start shooting because 'thay saw a threat' or 'someone said'.  What happens when it turns out to be a photog just trying to get the next pulitzer?

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

12 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Just like school shootings, LE waits til after the fact to neutralize the shooter.

 

I foresee a change in their rules of engagement.  I expect that just as in certain conflicts America has been engaged in, you can see a guy with a grenade walking towards you, but until he throws it (or pulls the pin), you can't shoot.  I'll not fault the guys with the guns for following procedure while the higherups guddle about trying to decide what to do.

[Subdeacon Joe]

4 minutes ago, Texas Joker said:

But devils advocate if snipers just start shooting because 'thay saw a threat' or 'someone said'.  What happens when it turns out to be a photog just trying to get the next pulitzer?

 

 

Or the Nikon M4 Assault Rifle

[Subdeacon Joe]

People keep posting the defiant, fist in the air and blood on his face photo of Trump, 

I think this is the more powerful photo - almost looks like he is praying for our republic.

[Eyesa Horg]

22 minutes ago, Texas Joker said:

But devils advocate if snipers just start shooting because 'thay saw a threat' or 'someone said'.  What happens when it turns out to be a photog just trying to get the next pulitzer?

 

What sort of gun does that camera look like? Especially to a trained sniper. JMHO

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

24 minutes ago, Texas Joker said:

But devils advocate if snipers just start shooting because 'thay saw a threat' or 'someone said'.  What happens when it turns out to be a photog just trying to get the next pulitzer?

 

 

Seriously? It would be ok for a photographer to crawl up on a roof and lay prone at that event with known countersnipers around to get his photo? And if he got shot it would be the snipers fault?  Get a grip man! Think!

[El Chapo]

18 hours ago, Tom Bullweed said:

An AR can be accurate most sub$800 ARs are not much better than 3" at 100 with standard factory ammo.

If most shooters HAD to make that one shot count, we would not pick an AR, but a quality scoped bolt gun.

 

That's about the limit of FMJ ammo even with thorough brass prep and weighed charges.  It's a function of the bullets more than the firearm.

 

I think almost any shooter who knew what they were doing would pick an AR for a 130 yard shot.  I think you'd be hard pressed to come up with anything better.  A bolt gun would not be my choice.

 

I have not bought a complete AR in 20+ years but I would bet the cheapest AR at the store with a good scope and ammo could dump the magazine into a credit card sized target at 130 yards in less than 30 seconds.

 

  

1 hour ago, Texas Joker said:

But devils advocate if snipers just start shooting because 'thay saw a threat' or 'someone said'.  What happens when it turns out to be a photog just trying to get the next pulitzer?

 

 

Self defense is about what the defender reasonably believes, not what hindsight shows he could have known. What it "turns out" it was has no real bearing on the outcome.  The only real question is based on what the defender was able to see, whether the jury believes your actions were reasonable.  That question takes into account all of the circumstances surrounding whatever happens.

Edited July 15 by El Chapo

[Chantry]

1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Just like school shootings, LE waits til after the fact to neutralize the shooter.

 

More likely poor communication between the local/state law enforcement and the Secret Service.  They were probably trying to make sure that it wasn't a police officer on that roof.

[Trailrider #896]

Some radio guy last night said he thought he saw a bullet hole on Trump's chest, probably stopped by body armor.  Seems to me that even with a "chicken plate", at that range there would have been penetration unless the angle was severely oblique. 

The main question is not when and if the counter-sniper shooter could engage the shooter on the rooftop of the adjacent building. The real question is WHY IN HELL WAS THE BUILDING NOT "STERILIZED" (cleared and occupied by security personnel) TO BEGIN WITH!  I believe there are a lot of questions to be answered by Secret Service, local law enforcement and others!  Were it not for the Grace of God, Trump would be dead!

[Texas Joker]

2 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said:

 

Seriously? It would be ok for a photographer to crawl up on a roof and lay prone at that event with known countersnipers around to get his photo? And if he got shot it would be the snipers fault?  Get a grip man! Think!

Didn't say it was OK but paparazzi do almost anything to get a scoop and get paid.

 

Downrange there are very clear multiple page if you break it you're either going to the brig or getting cashiered ROE.  

 

Why do you want less for a federal LEO? 

 

Also

 

ALL of this Monday morning quarter back stuff didn't happen in the moment. Principal took fire and it's a poor gun handling that they swept the crowd? Until the principal is secure the crowd IS THE SOURCE OF DANGER.

 

Building was outside the perimeter known location and locals responsibility.  Federal state local and county Leo's involved. You can have major miscommunications between 2 people much less 2 agencies that all have their own 'turf' to protect.

 

Everybody has a disaster response plan but they always forget the disaster. 

[Cypress Sun]

 

Monday afternoon quarterbacking or not...this whole situation could have been avoided with 3 - 12 year olds with cheap drones. 

[DeaconKC]

Actually, it took about 8 seconds between the first shot fired by the attacker and the first shot fired by the counter sniper crew. They located and neutralized the threat in that time.

[Pat Riot]

6 minutes ago, DeaconKC said:

Actually, it took about 8 seconds between the first shot fired by the attacker and the first shot fired by the counter sniper crew. They located and neutralized the threat in that time.

THIS IS MY OPINION AND MY CONJECTURE
 

8 seconds. I consider that to be pitiful. Even with my jacked up hearing I have a very good sense of direction in regards to gun fire. 
All that gear the counter sniper team had up there was apparently sitting idle while they laid in the sun b****ing about the heat. Only idiots wear black in the sun. Well, the idiots are probably their bosses that told them to wear all black in a memo or handbook. 
 

8 seconds to figure out where a shooter was that people at the scene had reported earlier. Attendees told police officers about the man crawling on the roof. More than likely the police were PA State Troopers. Those dude’s egos and a**holishness rival CA CHP officers. 
 

Anyone want to bet all the agencies were on their own radio frequencies and there was no unified comm channel? Anyone? 
 

 

That’s enough of this for me today. Life’s too short for this crap. 

[Rye Miles #13621]

31 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

THIS IS MY OPINION AND MY CONJECTURE
 

8 seconds. I consider that to be pitiful. Even with my jacked up hearing I have a very good sense of direction in regards to gun fire. 
All that gear the counter sniper team had up there was apparently sitting idle while they laid in the sun b****ing about the heat. Only idiots wear black in the sun. Well, the idiots are probably their bosses that told them to wear all black in a memo or handbook. 
 

8 seconds to figure out where a shooter was that people at the scene had reported earlier. Attendees told police officers about the man crawling on the roof. More than likely the police were PA State Troopers. Those dude’s egos and a**holishness rival CA CHP officers. 
 

Anyone want to bet all the agencies were on their own radio frequencies and there was no unified comm channel? Anyone? 
 

 

That’s enough of this for me today. Life’s too short for this crap. 

Supposedly a policeman confronted the shooter but he pointed a gun at the cop and the cop split! I don’t know how true that is but I’ve heard it from several sources. 😉

[John Kloehr]

12 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

Supposedly a policeman confronted the shooter but he pointed a gun at the cop and the cop split! I don’t know how true that is but I’ve heard it from several sources. 😉

I'm seeing those reports too. One source attributed the report to AP. I did not find the report on that site

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

The perimeter should have been much greater then it was. Also from what I've seen it didn't take 8 seconds to respond. Don't  count on getting the actual truth about what happened that day no matter how long they investigate. The media already reluctantly admitted to not reporting the truth if it doesn't support their agenda. Bidens diminished mental capacity at the debate forced their hand.

[Smokin Gator SASS #29736]

I mentioned previously that the perimeter should have been set farther out. This is in response to claims that local police are responsible for security outside the perimeter. Are they saying that the secret service sets a ridiculously close perimeter and whatever the local police department does outside the perimeter is ok by them? If the locals have no plan, leave it free for anyone to roam, the secret service doesn't advise, assist or receive any plans from the locals? Whatever the locals decide is good enough for the SS? 

[Sedalia Dave]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/local-officer-tried-stop-gunman-trump/index.html

[Buckshot Bear]

Electoral College Map of Reagan Election in 1984 after the attempted assassination on him:
 

[Subdeacon Joe]

31 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/local-officer-tried-stop-gunman-trump/index.html

 

From that article:

"During the search for the suspicious person, officers with township police discovered that the gunman was on the roof, and one local officer hoisted another to get up to the ledge. The shooter turned around, saw the officer peering over and pointed his gun at him. The officer let go of the ledge to “take cover” and save his own life. The gunman then started firing from the rooftop. "

 

I wouldn't call that "running away."  And I rather doubt that the officer would have been hard pressed to hold on with one hand,  draw his weapon,  and fire.