Reverend P. Babcock Chase Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Just started shot shell reloading last ;year with Clays. I have not seen any shown as available anywhere. Any one heard anything. Maybe it's all going into Ukrainian ammo. Rev. Chase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) As I understand it (and I am sure someone will be along to correct me if I am wrong) Clays is made in Australia and there are production problems (or legal issues with production) there that have prevented it's manufacture for a while now. I "heard" that there were talks of licensing it for production in the States, but that wasn't supposed to start until late this year or next. Same issues with Trail Boss and a whole list of others. It may be a while. I have been looking for either Clays or 700x for a while now and every-time it pops up somewhere, I seem to be a day late or a dollar short. Good luck, I hope you find some! Edit to add: Here is a link to another thread on the Wire about the powders that seems to list some alternatives... Trail Boss....Australia Edited January 20 by Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 No Clays to be seen, for a few years now. Clay Dot is pretty much the same thing and has been seen in some gun stores lately (I bought a pound, all I could buy). So keep your eye out for that. There are a number of powders that are good for CAS shotshells though so it shouldn't be too hard to find a substitute. I switched from Clays to WST for shotshells. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navy Davey Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 You might try titewad makes for a lite shotgun load similar to clays load Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 And 12 gauge shotgun data for Titegroup powder (of all things, especially after Hodgdon downplayed it for shotgun loading for years) has recently become popular for light (7/8 and 1 ounce) clay target loads. See Hodgdon's web site. Has been made in sufficient quantities that over the last year it showed up in gun shops often. good luck, GJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still hand Bill Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Red dot, promo, clay dot can all be used in most clays loadings. Might not be 1:1, but close. I am sure there are more, but those are the ones I have always used when clays wasn’t available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 3 hours ago, Reverend P. Babcock Chase said: Anyone heard anything. Yep, I've heard Hodgdon reps are directly telling customers "no Clays family of powders until at least 2024" since General Dynamics plant in Canada is "busy". good luck, GJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Dust SASS 75484 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 I got lucky and found some at a local shop a few months back. They said it was the first they had in a long time. Limit of three cans per person and I bought three at $33 a can. Way more than I paid the last time I bought some. I use it for pistol, rifle and shotgun for my wife’s loads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 When there was a problem getting Clay"s years ago I switch over to Clay Dot and been using it for P-R -Sg ever since. Nawlins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Kane Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 Alliant Extra Lite is another good alternative to keep your eye out for. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 700X works well for nice light 12 ga CAS loads 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 54 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: 700X works well for nice light 12 ga CAS loads If you can find it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holloman Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 i've been using Clays for Wild Bunch .45ACP. 4 gr behind 230gr coated bullet and my Springfield Garrison runs perfectly. Will Claydot work as well. I haven't seen any loading data for Claydot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Big Tree Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 I use Clay Dot interchangeably with Clays. Using Clays load data. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 (edited) 17 hours ago, Doc Holloman said: I haven't seen any loading data for Claydot. Alliant has not (yet) published Clay Dot data for handgun loads. I've found to match the speed from Clays, I have to use about 5-10% more weight of Clay Dot than I did Clays. That was for Cowboy-speed .38 special 125 grain bullets, and .45 Colt 200 grain payloads. Shotgun data for Clay Dot is very available. good luck, GJ Edited January 21 by Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 21 hours ago, Doc Holloman said: i've been using Clays for Wild Bunch .45ACP. 4 gr behind 230gr coated bullet and my Springfield Garrison runs perfectly. Will Claydot work as well. I haven't seen any loading data for Claydot. I found that Clays was cold sensitive in my WB 45. So about 4 yrs ago I loaded up so 45 ACP with my normal load and added .3 of gr more for the Clat Dot. So it was early Nov. temp was in the low forties. I sent up the chronograph and shot three different loads. The result was that the Clay Dot was better at keeping the speed spread lower between shots , thus the PF was more constant . Since it " a Shotgun powder" it maybe easier to find. Nawlins 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Clays is AS30N from ADI. They haven't made that here in years and there isn't any date they will restart. I would look for a new powder. AS30N=ClaysAP50N = (No Hodgdon)AS50N = InternationalAP70N = UniversalAP100 = (No Hodgdon) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Law Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/19/2023 at 9:06 PM, Still hand Bill said: Red dot, promo, clay dot can all be used in most clays loadings. Might not be 1:1, but close. I am sure there are more, but those are the ones I have always used when clays wasn’t available. I do my clays/ red dot 1:1 and can't tell the two apart. JEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffin Filler #51633 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I used to love Clays. It is an ideal CAS powder as it works well for both 12 ga and light pistol caliber loads. I could buy an 8 lb jug and do it all. But I had to go "off the reservation" with Clays to get light 7/8 oz loads. I was using 14.3 gr and lowest published load is 16.9 gr for 1200 fps. I bought 24 lbs of AA Light when it was available. It uses only 12.8 gr to get 1050 fps with 7/8 oz loads. This is a published load on the Hodgdon site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Stone, SASS #53366 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 All my Clays containers say " made in Canada packaged in the USA. From my understanding Clays production was moved to Canada after the factory in Australia burnt down. They were having problems getting it up and running. Something with dryers or something as I recall. Marshal Stone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Jim SASS # 21775 Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM Share Posted yesterday at 05:21 PM Any update on Clays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago None will be produced during 2023 for reloader sales. Nor the other two in the Clays family - Universal and International. You need to look for other powders. We'll be told if and when they restart lines for those powders in 2024. Per Hodgdon press releases and emails sent directly to Hodgdons recently. good luck, GJ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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