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If You Fire A Gun In Space

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You take your water gun and shoot it at the sun. The water will help to cool the fire, especially since it will be ice because it's out in space.

 

That's what he said, right?

 

So if the water in my water gun is ice, how in the hell do I shoot it? The gun is designed to work with liquid. I can shoot water. I can shoot booze. I can shoot car antifreeze. I might even can shoot gasoline before it melts my plastic gun.

 

But ice is a solid. I cannot shoot a solid in a gun that is designed to shoot a liquid.

 

And this man is a scientist?

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I will never make it to outer space. 
I wouldn’t go now if I had the opportunity. 
If I did go (kicking, punching and screaming up the gangway) the requirements and rules of the people sending me there probably wouldn’t allow me to take a gun. 
So, this whole thing is an exercise in futility for me.  ;)

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Play on words. He did say, what if, which of course is not physically possible as he describes. Mind game, must be a socialists.:rolleyes:

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But, aren't WE in space?   

Doesn't the planet Earth float around in space?

 

Folks seem to indicate the Universe as something on display for us, when in effect, WE

are just a micro sand particle of the big picture.

 

..........Widder

 

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3 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said:

But, aren't WE in space?   

Doesn't the planet Earth float around in space?

 

Folks seem to dictate the Universe as something on display for us, when in effect, WE

are just a micro sand particle of the big picture.

 

..........Widder

 

 

Yer startin to sound like one o them heretics what don't know that the earth is the center of the universe. 

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9 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

I will never make it to outer space. 
I wouldn’t go now if I had the opportunity. 
If I did go (kicking, punching and screaming up the gangway) the requirements and rules of the people sending me there probably wouldn’t allow me to take a gun. 
So, this whole thing is an exercise in futility for me.  ;)

I can't ever get on a space ship.....because I don't have that little mark on my drivers license.....because I don't have a birth certificate.....because I don't have any other documentation to prove I even exist............because IDGAS.....about so many things!!!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

IDGAS

He's the shortstop, isn't he?

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28 minutes ago, Alpo said:

He's the shortstop, isn't he?

I don't care was short stop. 

 

IDGAS could be right field.  But he sounds like a first base coach to me. 

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Never heard I don't carE.

 

Generally heard I don't give a darn.

 

Occasionally I don't give a damn.

 

 

 

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I couldn’t care less!

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2 hours ago, Cactus Jack Calder said:

I couldn’t care less!

Relief pitcher.

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Bullets can travel at 0.62mi/hr but they can also travel at 0.795 mi/hr or faster.  Either way, it is not 124mi/hr.  But what is the speed attained in the vacuum of space?  Does the lack of air friction allow the bullet to travel much faster?

 

edit: units should be miles per second.  

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21 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said:

0.795 mi/hr or faster

I sure hope they go faster.

 

0.795 mph is 1.166 fps.

 

Even by SASS bullet speeds, that's slow.

 

124 mph is less than 182 fps.

 

A 850 fps 38 Special is 580 mph.

 

A 4000 fps 220 Swift is 2,727.2727... mph.

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Speed of the expansion of space is 200 Km/sec or 656,168 fps.

 

Projectile from the US Navy's rail gun has a velocity of about 2.5 Km/sec or 8202 fps

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In my childhood I wanted to be a fireman, a STEAM!!! locomotive engineer, a cowboy and an astronaut.

All at the same time.

Now that my Medicare card is due to hit my mail box any day now, I've been town marshal, fire chief, gazed with wonder at steam tractors and what very few live steam locos I've been able to observe first hand, but the closest thing to space I got was coming (very involuntarily) off a step ladder.

That brief moment of I-perceived-it-as-zero-gravity was not worth the abrupt deceleration of what pilots call an "Unplanned Descent!"

As far as firing a .44 in interstellar space, I don't see me doing it, so can't offer intellectual comment on the subject.

Just the not awake yet ramblings of a man who's smelling that coffee and realizing I should be pouring myself the first mug of the day instead of wasting screen space with not yet awake wanderings of an almost wakened mind!

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5 hours ago, Alpo said:

I sure hope they go faster.

 

0.795 mph is 1.166 fps.

 

Even by SASS bullet speeds, that's slow.

 

124 mph is less than 182 fps.

 

A 850 fps 38 Special is 580 mph.

 

A 4000 fps 220 Swift is 2,727.2727... mph.

Thank you for being ever vigilant.  Clearly I should not have attempted math at that hour without paper and pencil.  The post has been edited.

 

0.795 miles per second is based on a 204 Ruger factory load at 4,200 fps.

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8 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said:

Does the lack of air friction allow the bullet to travel much faster?

Just my opinion, but I don't believe the lack of air friction has much, if any, effect on muzzle velocity. Once the bullet is left the barrel air friction starts to slow it down, so shooting in a vacuum would have the bullet staying the same velocity forever.

 

But gravity affects the bullet. It doesn't just "keep going" until the air friction has slowed it to a stop, and then just drop to the ground. The bullet is falling immediately upon leaving the barrel.

 

If you were to fire a 220 Swift, with the barrel perfectly level and 5 feet above the ground, it would take the bullet a half a second to hit the dirt. Since the Swift fires at 4000 feet per second, it would hit the dirt 2000 feet away, but it would still do it a half a second after the bullet left the barrel.

 

Since the gravity on the moon is one-sixth G, it seems to me that it would take six times as long for something to drop. Instead of 0.5 seconds to fall 5 feet, it would take 3 seconds. With no air friction to slow the bullet, the 220 Swift bullet would continue at 4000 feet per second. 12000 ft (2¼ miles) from where you were standing when you shot it, the bullet would hit the dirt.

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17 hours ago, Alpo said:

Never heard I don't carE.

 

Generally heard I don't give a darn.

 

Occasionally I don't give a damn.

 

 

 

 

It was said both ways.  I'm younger than you.  I was probably only allowed to listen to the clean versions.  Here's a list of all the players, except that Right Field should be blank, he was never named.  That's why I suggested it for IDGAS.  Looks like the DH was never named either, so that could be it.  Did they have a DH when Abbot & Costello did this routine? 

 

 

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Don't forget that the gun itself is going to be "fired" in the opposite direction at close to the same speed, unless it is securely fastened to a large object of some sort. If you were an astronaut floating in space, and you drew and fired your .44 Magnum either it would fly back and hit you or else you'd quickly be spinning out of control.

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To make the math simple, the shooter will weigh 200 lb, and the bullet will be 220 grains (not the nominal 240 of a 44 Magnum).

 

EQUAL and opposite reaction.

 

When you fire the 44 Magnum, and the 220 grain bullet (which is basically 1/2 of 1 oz) goes that away at 1400 feet per second, the same amount of force is pushing on the shooter.

 

200 pounds is 3200 ounces is 6400 half ounces. That means the shooter is 6400 times as heavy as the bullet, so the shooter will be pushed backward 1/6400 as fast. That's 0.2 fps.

 

And that is not considering any force that is lost by the wrist moving up or the elbow bending.

 

Being pushed backward at the rate of 2 and 1/2 inches per second - I don't think that would have me spinning out of control.

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Your math makes sense Alpo, but knowing me and my experience firing large magnums I would fully expect to be knocked flat on my asteroid. :blush:

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1 hour ago, Alpo said:

To make the math simple, the shooter will weigh 200 lb, and the bullet will be 220 grains (not the nominal 240 of a 44 Magnum).

 

EQUAL and opposite reaction.

 

When you fire the 44 Magnum, and the 220 grain bullet (which is basically 1/2 of 1 oz) goes that away at 1400 feet per second, the same amount of force is pushing on the shooter.

 

200 pounds is 3200 ounces is 6400 half ounces. That means the shooter is 6400 times as heavy as the bullet, so the shooter will be pushed backward 1/6400 as fast. That's 0.2 fps.

 

And that is not considering any force that is lost by the wrist moving up or the elbow bending.

 

Being pushed backward at the rate of 2 and 1/2 inches per second - I don't think that would have me spinning out of control.

 

Free floating in space, how would you stop yourself from spinning unless the round was fired from the exact point at which would just propel you backward?

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There we go - getting into the thought experiment that was the point of the video.

 

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On 2/23/2020 at 6:48 PM, Ramblin Gambler said:

I don't care was short stop. 

 

IDGAS could be right field.  But he sounds like a first base coach to me. 

Nobody was in right field

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50 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

Free floating in space, how would you stop yourself from spinning unless the round was fired from the exact point at which would just propel you backward?

 

I'd fire 2 guns at exactly 180 degrees apart.  You're gunna wanna watch where you float when I shoot in space. 

 

But for the space force, I'm expecting thrusters on jetpacks that are timed to fire just the right amount at just the right time to keep our space marines steady.  I'm predicting there will be more ammo than fuel.  Once the jet packs are out of gas, they can keep firing at the enemy while they fall back. 

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