Bustin Caps Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I am new to SASS. I realise that in Classic Cowboy and "B Western" the rules state that you must wear a hat. What is the definition of wearing a hat? Does it have to be on your head? Would having it hung on your back by the rodeo strings count as wearing it? I remember many old movies where the cowboys had them hanging on their back by the rodeo strings. I need to know this as a hat really makes my head hot in the summer months and sometimes I like to let it hang on my back reather than wear it on my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD Trampas, SASS # 55781 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I believe in those 2 classes you have to have it on your head, any other classes you don't have to wear a hat, no requirement to wear hat except classic cowboy and b-western All for now JD Trampas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Canyon Kid #43974 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Since the dust up a couple of years ago when the fellow showed up wearing his spurs on this elbows or whatever, the rules tightened up and now I would think in those two categories you would have to wear your hat on your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I think this would fit the definition of wearing a hat; although this one looks like it's been shot at a few times. http://img.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/2011/royal_wedding_hats/wedding_hats_01.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 That's actually a good question (that I hadn't heard or seen here on the Wire). I think THIS covers it: ALL clothing and equipment MUST be worn appropriately, how it was intended and how it would have been worn in the OLD WEST or as seen on B-Western movies and television. SHB p.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Fill 'Em 67797 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I get really hot during the summer months. You don't have to wear a hat except in those two categories but, to me part of the fun is wearing a cowboy hat, and it does help to keep the sun off your head. There are lots of straw hats that have an open weave pattern to the crown and I've found those to be cooler. Any good Western store should have them or look on Ebay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess Ducky Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Krazy, you have a very special sense of humor. But, in the twisted, illogical, but "strictly by the book" approach to language that we gamers love so well, I would suggest the verbiage "wearing a hat" might apply to having the hat somewhere on your person. I have seen many a cowboy at the matches wear the hat as described above, on their back suspended by the hurricane straps. This might be termed the "Mexican style," for want of a better description. With the right outfit, it looks perfectly "in costume." And, with my limited imagination, I cannot envision how wearing a hat in this fashion would give the competitor any distinct advantage in the competition.... At my range, I would allow it. Rgds, Jess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danite SASS #27034 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Krazy, you have a very special sense of humor. But, in the twisted, illogical, but "strictly by the book" approach to language that we gamers love so well, I would suggest the verbiage "wearing a hat" might apply to having the hat somewhere on your person. I have seen many a cowboy at the matches wear the hat as described above, on their back suspended by the hurricane straps. This might be termed the "Mexican style," for want of a better description. With the right outfit, it looks perfectly "in costume." And, with my limited imagination, I cannot envision how wearing a hat in this fashion would give the competitor any distinct advantage in the competition.... At my range, I would allow it. Rgds, Jess You obviously didn't read palewolf's post from the shooter's handbook...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 ALL clothing and equipment MUST be worn appropriately, how it was intended and how it would have been worn in the OLD WEST or as seen on B-Western movies and television. Well, I respectfully contend that draping your hat over your back by the stampede strings is indeed part of how it was intended to be worn. What the blue blazes are the stampede strings for if not to keep you from loosing it while you are riding in a stiff wind? I don't ever enter costume categories, for just this kind of reason, but I have slung my hat back by the stampede strings plenty of times. Particularly when shooting poppers with my shotgun, as I don't want to have my view of the flying clays impeded by my hat brim. Uh oh, does that make me a gamer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 The rules have been well explained about when a hat is needed and how it is to be worn (if required). Very interesting about the hat making you hot. Generally a hat is highly recommended in hot climates since it helps to keep the head cooler. It is almost like having shade over your head. And for folks like me with skin cancers, it is a required safety item. There are several tricks many of us use to help. Some like a normal felt hat that has a higher crown and normally a lighter color. Others, like me, prefer a straw had that has some sort of ventilation such as a few holes in it. Plus, I use the palm leaf hats since they hold up really well AND they absorb water. I put some water in the crown and that evaporation helps to cool my head. Sometimes folks also put a cloth bandana or what the pirates wore. Soak it with water through out the day for further evaporation. That all really helps. Finally, many rifles will throw brass back at your head and body and a hat is needed as a "shield" from the hot brass. So you may want to do some experimenting on what works best for you. I too have some problems with heat - such that they've called the paramedics more than once for me at matches. So I'm pretty familiar with hats and heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Jim Hancock Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Well, I respectfully contend that draping your hat over your back by the stampede strings is indeed part of how it was intended to be worn. What the blue blazes are the stampede strings for if not to keep you from loosing it while you are riding in a stiff wind? I don't ever enter costume categories, for just this kind of reason, but I have slung my hat back by the stampede strings plenty of times. Particularly when shooting poppers with my shotgun, as I don't want to have my view of the flying clays impeded by my hat brim. Uh oh, does that make me a gamer? I HAVE to SAY that I AGREE with Driftwood on this...heck what if your hat BLEW OFF while you were shooting... seriousy, would you be penalized for NOT wearing it while shooting the stage? AS opposed to shooting in a category where a hat was NOT required...you'd still have it on your person...not un-like taking it off at some point while on a stage. I tip mine back on the stampede strings ALL THE TIME while shooting, to cool off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Masked Man Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I HAVE to SAY that I AGREE with Driftwood on this...heck what if your hat BLEW OFF while you were shooting... seriousy, would you be penalized for NOT wearing it while shooting the stage? AS opposed to shooting in a category where a hat was NOT required...you'd still have it on your person...not un-like taking it off at some point while on a stage. I tip mine back on the stampede strings ALL THE TIME while shooting, to cool off... Plus another one! Indeed, "wearing" a hat by the stampede strings should be considered "wearing" it. As Driftwood says, what else are they for? I am reminded here of a Wire thread a while back where a Classic Cowboy (or was it B-Western?) shooter had his hat knocked off of his head by a prop (a doorway) and someone was contending that he should get a stage DQ or at least a "P" for his hat not remaining ON HIS HEAD during the stage! A happy medium might be you must begin the stage with the hat on the head, but to me a hat falling off due to a prop, wind, or running between positions in the stage should never penalize the shooter. Strictly defining "wearing" as "on the head" opens the door to this kind of overly-strict interpretation that results in nonsensical penalties (see previous paragraph). "On your person" constitutes "wearing" according to any dictionary you care to name. Call me a gamer, I am with Driftwood and Long Jim on this one!! I would even say that hanging from the neck by the stampede strings passes PWB's "how it was intended" and "in the Old West/Movies" tests, too. If I were to point out that heat exhaustion, heat prostration, and heat stroke can be life-threatening conditions that impair a shooter and make it more difficult for him/her to handle their guns and shoot the stage safely, I wonder if that point would influence those on the "other side" of this debate. Being able to get some airflow on your head and cool off in hot weather is a safety issue, folks - and being restricted to "felt hats only" in B-Western (don't know about CC) doesn't help the situation either (I've been told those MUCH COOLER straw hats are a no-no, never mind the high heat and humidity here in the Deep South!) One man's opinion. YMMV. Hi-Yo and Awaaaayyy, TMM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hat was made to be worn on?????????????? The head The stampede string was made to???????? Keep it from falling off and/or loseing it when it does fall off. We are not talking about a stampede string. But how the hat was made to be worn. Just a thought. But to me. If ya don't want to wear the hat. (On your head) Then there are plenty of categorys to pick from where you do not need a hat at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJT Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 +1 There are not hat stands on the plains. There are times when you do not want the blamed thing in the way and the stampede string allows the cowboy to deal with that while wearing it. Cheers, BJT Well, I respectfully contend that draping your hat over your back by the stampede strings is indeed part of how it was intended to be worn. What the blue blazes are the stampede strings for if not to keep you from loosing it while you are riding in a stiff wind? I don't ever enter costume categories, for just this kind of reason, but I have slung my hat back by the stampede strings plenty of times. Particularly when shooting poppers with my shotgun, as I don't want to have my view of the flying clays impeded by my hat brim. Uh oh, does that make me a gamer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Hmmm............If a condom is not worn as intended, does it still meet the criteria of being used as a condom? Not trying to be a condom or hat zealot here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 So by your dictionary definition, I can shoot any stage without being penalized if I have my glasses in my pocket during the stage. I am wearing them according to this definition. ---- "On your person" constitutes "wearing" according to any dictionary you care to name. This could be said of any item required by the rules. ------------------------- Copied from Pale Wolf's post "ALL clothing and equipment MUST be worn appropriately, how it was intended and how it would have been worn in the OLD WEST or as seen on B-Western movies and television." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Can't har dly post .... Laugh ing too hard :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Masked Man Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 So by your dictionary definition, I can shoot any stage without being penalized if I have my glasses in my pocket during the stage. I am wearing them according to this definition. ---- "On your person" constitutes "wearing" according to any dictionary you care to name. This could be said of any item required by the rules. ------------------------- Copied from Pale Wolf's post "ALL clothing and equipment MUST be worn appropriately, how it was intended and how it would have been worn in the OLD WEST or as seen on B-Western movies and television." If the rules only require the wearing of glasses, then yes. IIRC, I think the rules call for wearing "eye protection" however....and if they do not, I'll bet the range hosting your shoot requires "eye protection". A hat hanging from a string is still a hat - now if the rules said "head covering" you would have a point. Post-script: I'll admit here that my argument is somewhat ridiculous. I contend that it is no more ridiculous than being told that I risk a penalty by letting my hat hang from the stampede string for a few minutes at the unloading table on a 98+ degree, 90%+ humidity day...regardless of what category I happen to be shooting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubious Don #56333 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 There is a difference wearing spurs on the elbow or hooked on the gunbelt; they would not have been "intended" to be worn there whilst a hat with a stampede string might well be INTENDED to be worn hanging down the back of the neck. This is all Palewolf was saying. I cannot imagine how a HAT would be or not be a competitive advantage worn on the head versus hanging down the back. I CAN see how a hat, improperly fitted or wide-brimmed could IMPEDE a shooter to the degree that he knocks it off so he can shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I worked over the long weekend to make sure the Germans, Australians, Dutch and other would have ammunition when they come over. They have already started picking up. The Aussies are first to arrive. I come here for entertainment. :lol: It never lets me down in that respect. I even canceled my newspapers and Sunday funny paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 How does a female "wear" a bra? Hanging on their back and clasp around their neck? Nope. So how does a cowpoke "wear" a hat... on their heads! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 CLASSIC COWBOY/COWGIRL... • Hats must be worn for the entire match. “B” WESTERN • ..Hats must be worn. SHB P.16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Everyone keeps talking about how a stampede string works. That string, is NOT the hat. The hat, was made for the head. Not the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Define "hat". :lol: Define "define". Yeee haaa. Bill Clinton..."I did not wear a hat with that woman". :lol: Where's Crazy Mingo when ya need him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker, SASS #55963 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 First off the Classic Cowboy hat rule states "Hats must be worn for the entire match." The B-Western hat rule states "Felt hats only, no straw hats. Hats must be worn." If we follow the wishes of the clothing police the hat can only be worn on the head. But note the rules do not say on the head. PWBs post #5 says clothing must be worn as intended. But many hats have an accessory called a stampede string. The string is used to keep the hat on the wearer. Not necessarily on the head. As it is part of the normal wearing of the hat and has been seen in many a western. I would say that a hat hanging by the stampede strings is being worn properly. Recall a thread earlier in which the stuff happens concept trumped the worn at all time. In that case the hat was knocked off the wearers head while passing through a door. I don't believe I would call it. (If I did it would be a P for shooting out of category not a SDQ as one post suggested.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 Black hats will make you hotter. White hats will not be as hot as black hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJT Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 All them fellers what think a hat is not being worn when hanging from the neck by the stampede string, how do you wear a necklace? If you are not wearing it, what are you doing, holding it? Juggling it? Of course you are wearing it. You have it on. Classic Cowboy requirements can be met by wearing a knife, in the boot, on a belt, on the gun belt or in any number of ways it may have been worn in the 19th century. Pull the stick out and take a seat. Cheers, BJT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Dave Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 IMO Hate are intended to be worn on the head. "As seen in B Western Movies" might open things up to having a hat hanging on your back from stampede strings, might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 ...But many hats have an accessory called a stampede string.The string is used to keep the hat on the wearer. Not necessarily on the head... Actual the stampede string has two uses: 1. Keeps a cowpoke from losing his hat as he gallops down the trail. 2. Hangs the cowpoke if'n the hat gets caught in a tree as he gallops down the trail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anvil Al #59168 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 All them fellers what think a hat is not being worn when hanging from the neck by the stampede string, how do you wear a necklace? If you are not wearing it, what are you doing, holding it? Juggling it? Of course you are wearing it. You have it on. Classic Cowboy requirements can be met by wearing a knife, in the boot, on a belt, on the gun belt or in any number of ways it may have been worn in the 19th century. Pull the stick out and take a seat. Cheers, BJT A necklace WAS made to wear around ones neck. As it was intended. A hat was made for ones head. Simple. If you go to a hat maker. Does he measure your neck or back???? Or does he measure your head. Where it is INTENDED to be worn. Stick frimly planted. And I can sit just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 I am new to SASS. I realise that in Classic Cowboy and "B Western" the rules state that you must wear a hat. What is the definition of wearing a hat? Does it have to be on your head? Would having it hung on your back by the rodeo strings count as wearing it? I remember many old movies where the cowboys had them hanging on their back by the rodeo strings. I need to know this as a hat really makes my head hot in the summer months and sometimes I like to let it hang on my back reather than wear it on my head. Howdy! If I were in charge, that would work for me in the categories that require hats. Obviously, there is no rule about this. So, I suggest you ask the Match Director and not try to "bust chops" or "yank chains" at the match. Folks attend to have fun and not have some ... Regards, Allie Mo PS I used ... in case you are innocent of ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tennessee Stud, SASS# 43634 Life Posted May 31, 2011 Share Posted May 31, 2011 That's actually a good question (that I hadn't heard or seen here on the Wire). I think THIS covers it: Quote: ALL clothing and equipment MUST be worn appropriately, how it was intended and how it would have been worn in the OLD WEST or as seen on B-Western movies and television. SHB p.3 For instance... if you show-d up nekid after takin' Cialis... and you wore yore hat over yore private parts... that would be acceptable 'cause they would have done it back in the OLD WEST or in the B-Western movies and TV... IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION AND WARNING!!! If yore hat hangs in place for more than 4 hours, you should seek immediate medical help to avoid long-term injury. However... under the same circumstances... and my hat stayed on for more than 4 hours... ... I would call the New York Times and a camera crew... before my hat fell off. t(joshin' with ya... Bustin' A Cap)s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake River Clay SASS #34984 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 For instance... if you show-d up nekid after takin' Cialis... and you wore yore hat over yore private parts... that would be acceptable 'cause they would have done it back in the OLD WEST or in the B-Western movies and TV... That works well on stages that start "Both hands touching the hat". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 Hmmm............If a condom is not worn as intended, does it still meet the criteria of being used as a condom? Not trying to be a condom or hat zealot here. Wear one on your head and kill two stones with one bird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danite SASS #27034 Posted June 1, 2011 Share Posted June 1, 2011 How do you wear a shirt? You could tie one around your neck and still be technically wearing it. They still wear sweaters that way, some do. Lets just tie our shirts around our necks, of course around here you couldn't do that but others could. There would be no competitive advantage so some match directors would, apparently, permit it and they would be on your torso, so you could argue that it was as intended to be worn there if not exactly like that. How many people could you walk up to on a street and ask the question "where do you wear a hat" that would not reply "on your head stupid"... And how many would say "tied around my neck on a string"..... I'm with "here's bobby" on this one. Laughing my head off. There are people around that will argue ANYTHING. Reminds me of law school. It is a poor lawyer that can't argue all sides to any question...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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