How Long Had Those Cartridges Been In His Pocket?

[Subdeacon Joe]

Eco friendly "green" brass?
 

Loaded Revolver Found During Traffic Stop

On Wednesday, October 2, 2024, at approximately 11:30 pm, an officer with the Santa Rosa Police Department conducted an enforcement stop on a black Dodge Charger in the area of Stony Point Rd. and West 3rd Street for a vehicle equipment violation. The officer contacted the occupants of the vehicle and smelled the strong odor of burnt Marijuana emanating from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. A search of the vehicle revealed a loaded revolver beneath the right front passenger seat. The right front passenger, Mateo Juventino Rognlien, a 24-year-old resident of Antioch claimed to be the owner of the firearm, however, the firearm was not registered to him. Clothing and other indicia commonly associated with criminal street gangs was located inside the vehicle as well. The driver was released.

Rognlien was arrested and booked into Sonoma County Jail for the following charges:

25850(c)(6) PC – Unlawfully possessing a firearm

25400(a)(1) PC- Carrying a concealed firearm

Santa Rosa Police Department case number 24-11651.

 

 

[Dantankerous]

Looks like a Smith 38 or 357 but the cartridges look fat, like 45 acps.

 

Hood rats...

[Whitey James]

Pretty sure that's a 642-2, looks like 38 special+D (dirt)

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

8 minutes ago, Dantankerous said:

Looks like a Smith 38 or 357 but the cartridges look fat, like 45 acps.

 

Hood rats...

Too long and skinny for a 45. And they have a rim.

JHC

[Dantankerous]

Just now, Capt. James H. Callahan said:

Too long and skinny for a 45. And they have a rim.

JHC

Maybe the camera added 10 lbs? 😀

 

I couldn't tell, rimmed, rimless.

 

Wouldn't surprise me that a homeboy had the wrong ammo for his heater though.

[Eyesa Horg]

Hard to tell,the picture looks stretched on my phone. The cylinder looks twice as long as the ammo.

[Alpo]

 

If viewing it on your phone, it will be stretched out of shape. Put your finger on the picture until the list of options appears. Click on open image in new tab, and then click on switch. Now you will see the picture as it really is.

 

As you can see in the picture I posted, that has been shrunk back to normal size from being stretched, that is five pieces of full metal jacket corroded 38 special ammunition. With that 642 Smith.

[J.D. Daily]

The incident sounds like a driving while black or latino traffic stop.  This can happen to elderly white couples too if the pick-up truck they are driving looks like those used by illegal pot farmers in the northern CA national forests.  To the CA DFG officers this is valid probable cause.  Unless the Smith was in direct possession of Mateo none of the vehicles occupants should have claimed possession.  That would have required the SR cops to confiscate the Smith & the cartridges and let them all go or arrest them all and get chewed out by the supervising officer or if the dept. was stupid enough to not drop the charges get chewed out by the DA's office.  In CA the rules that cops must follow are strict.   

[Subdeacon Joe]

39 minutes ago, J.D. Daily said:

The incident sounds like a driving while black or latino traffic stop.  This can happen to elderly white couples too if the pick-up truck they are driving looks like those used by illegal pot farmers in the northern CA national forests.  To the CA DFG officers this is valid probable cause.  Unless the Smith was in direct possession of Mateo none of the vehicles occupants should have claimed possession.  That would have required the SR cops to confiscate the Smith & the cartridges and let them all go or arrest them all and get chewed out by the supervising officer or if the dept. was stupid enough to not drop the charges get chewed out by the DA's office.  In CA the rules that cops must follow are strict.   

 

Or....the officer was going to give the driver a heads up that he had a brake light or taillight out, please get it fixed.

 

Or.....near midnight,  the driver was driving in a way that got the officer's senses going and caused him to study the car more closely. 

 

It's kind of hard to tell what race a person in a car is at night. 

[Pat Riot]

Here’s a better perspective. 

 

They look like .38 Spl to me. The 642 is not loaded. They were probably in the gun. 

[Charlie Harley, #14153]

At least he had good tastes in carry guns. Hammerless air-weight J-frame with Crimson Trace grips. That’s almost what I carry. 

[Grass Range]

18 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

Eco friendly "green" brass?
 

Loaded Revolver Found During Traffic Stop

On Wednesday, October 2, 2024, at approximately 11:30 pm, an officer with the Santa Rosa Police Department conducted an enforcement stop on a black Dodge Charger in the area of Stony Point Rd. and West 3rd Street for a vehicle equipment violation. The officer contacted the occupants of the vehicle and smelled the strong odor of burnt Marijuana emanating from the passenger compartment of the vehicle. A search of the vehicle revealed a loaded revolver beneath the right front passenger seat. The right front passenger, Mateo Juventino Rognlien, a 24-year-old resident of Antioch claimed to be the owner of the firearm, however, the firearm was not registered to him. Clothing and other indicia commonly associated with criminal street gangs was located inside the vehicle as well. The driver was released.

Rognlien was arrested and booked into Sonoma County Jail for the following charges:

25850(c)(6) PC – Unlawfully possessing a firearm

25400(a)(1) PC- Carrying a concealed firearm

Santa Rosa Police Department case number 24-11651.

 

 

Sounds like excessive laws to me. I always have firearms in my vehicles but they may not be registered to me. But, I am not excusing them

[bgavin]

1 hour ago, Grass Range said:

Sounds like excessive laws to me.

In CA... for certain.

I don't want any grief with the cops at any time.
Been there, done that, don't want more.

I always transport in a locked container under a shipping blanket in the rear jump seat of my truck.

I'll be damned if I'm going to put it in the truck bed.

I'm prepared to not allow a voluntary search of my truck.
He can get his supervisor approval, or whatever is needed, then go for it.

When my Dad was dying, I drove HW95 through NV to ID.
Between Winnemucca and McDermot, this is miles of BFE.
I was probably going 85 at the time, and being passed.

I did not notice the cop and lights behind me for 10 miles until he hit the siren.
The cop and his dog spent the next 45 minutes on the road showing me how big his Johnson was.
He said they search the truck on the road, or search it at the station.
I would have called his bluff, but Dad was dying and I could not afford the delay.

The dog was disappointed because it found nothing.
There was nothing to be found.
I hope that cop dies from cancer.
Long and slow.

Edited October 4 by bgavin

[Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001]

they ain't all that fuzzy yet 

 

 wipe em down and reload 

 

  

[Cypress Sun]

I still don't get the registration thing.

[Subdeacon Joe]

2 hours ago, Grass Range said:

Sounds like excessive laws to me. I always have firearms in my vehicles but they may not be registered to me. But, I am not excusing them

 

Yeah,  our laws are stupid.   And that's giving them the benefit of the doubt.

 

21 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

I still don't get the registration thing.

 

I have yet to get a straight answer from any capon about exactly how registration prevents crime or violence. 

[Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933]

The rounds are camouflaged so he could sneak them across the border.

[watab kid]

barney fife cleaned and polished thye one he carried in his pocket - he had pride 

[Pat Riot]

Dirty cartridge is hard for cops to find in the weeds if he dumps them.  Smart! 

 

not really…

[Badlands Bob #61228]

No need to ask for registration and proof of insurance anymore.  All that information is available through the computer system.  Just run the tag. 

[John Kloehr]

7 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:

I still don't get the registration thing.

Different states. Some require registration at the state level. And in NY, your carry permit has space on the back to write in up to 5 serial numbers of your carry guns. If stopped or if "something" happens, what you are carrying better be on the card. XXX, I live in an almost free state (not clear if the law allows a BUG, the permit is for "a" pistol but we have permit less carry too, so not completely clear).

[John Kloehr]

5 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said:

No need to ask for registration and proof of insurance anymore.  All that information is available through the computer system.  Just run the tag. 

True in many states. Last time I got pulled over, was asked for all 3 documents (license, registration, and proof of insurance) but the officer said he would be right back after I handed over my license. He did verify the other two electronically, it is still an infraction to not have the documents on demand.

This is after I informed him I had a valid permit and was armed. I'm sure he verified this (permit) at the same time. He gave me a polite warning for speed and a headlight out. Headlight out is not a primary infraction but it is why he pulled me out of the line. Anyway, it was a professional interaction.

 

Just don't be the 'droid they are looking for.

[Subdeacon Joe]

9 hours ago, Cypress Sun said:

I still don't get the registration thing.

 

1 hour ago, John Kloehr said:

Different states.

 

I obviously took his question to mean what good registration does to reduce crime or violence. Other than give the DA one more "gun crime" to claim he prosecuted.  Or bargain away. 

[watab kid]

i dont get the registration , its ileoanal federally for the ATF to keep that record - i know they are anyway but just the same - they ignore the law but we need to abide by it ? really ? 

[Cypress Sun]

8 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

 

I obviously took his question to mean what good registration does to reduce crime or violence. Other than give the DA one more "gun crime" to claim he prosecuted.  Or bargain away. 

 

Joe, you took my question right...sort of.

 

I guess I'm just not used to gun registration as I've never lived in a state that forced it upon it's citizens. Florida has no such registration and law enforcement would have no way of knowing who the gun actually belongs to if they run the serial number(s)...or at least they're not supposed to be able to know. The best they will be able to do is run the number to see if the gun has been reported stolen or missing. They will also find out if the person claiming ownership of the gun is legally allowed to possess a firearm.

[Subdeacon Joe]

36 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

Joe, you took my question right...sort of.

 

I guess I'm just not used to gun registration as I've never lived in a state that forced it upon it's citizens. Florida has no such registration and law enforcement would have no way of knowing who the gun actually belongs to if they run the serial number(s)...or at least they're not supposed to be able to know. The best they will be able to do is run the number to see if the gun has been reported stolen or missing. They will also find out if the person claiming ownership of the gun is legally allowed to possess a firearm.

 

So I was on the black,  but  not the 10 ring. 

 

Your last point they can get from his name and ID, gun registration has nothing to do with it. 

 

All registration can do is trace a firearm back to the last registered owner.   If it's been lost or stolen a d gets resold by Guiseppi's Late Nite Gun Shoppe, location and hours vary, it's useless. 

 

 

 

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 If it's been lost or stolen a d gets resold by Guiseppi's Late Nite Gun Shoppe, location and hours vary, it's useless. 

It's like the 4473.

 

A Ruger is found at a crime scene. The cops ask Ruger, Ruger says they sold it to Davidson, Davidson say they sold it to Sports South, and Sports South says they sold it to Joe's Gun shop in Pascagoula Mississippi. They go to Joe's and they look at the 4473 and they find out that Alpo bought it.

 

The problem is, I sold it at a yard sale 5 years ago. Since that time it has been resold and rebought three times. The last time it was sold it was sold to Bob's Gun shop in Dothan Alabama. Where John Wayne bought it, and filled out the 4473.

 

But since the direct chain broke 5 years ago when I sold it, they have no idea that it was sold at Bob's Gun shop in Dothan, so they don't go there to check the 4473 to see who bought it. It just ends at me.

[John Kloehr]

13 minutes ago, Alpo said:

It's like the 4473.

 

...The last time it was sold it was sold to Bob's Gun shop in Dothan Alabama. Where John Wayne bought it, and filled out the 4473.

But Bob's gun shop went out of business two years ago and sent all 4473 records to the ATF. They were digitized and the SN was OCRd. So it does come up.

 

But I do get your point, the intent of traceability was the first commercial sale.

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

On 10/4/2024 at 8:00 AM, bgavin said:

In CA... for certain.
I don't want any grief with the cops at any time.
Been there, done that, don't want more.

I always transport in a locked container under a shipping blanket in the rear jump seat of my truck.

I'll be damned if I'm going to put it in the truck bed.

I'm prepared to not allow a voluntary search of my truck.
He can get his supervisor approval, or whatever is needed, then go for it.

About 10 years ago I was pulled over for blowing a Yellow light.

When the Cop walked up he asked me something like,"You have any guns, knives, rocket launchers or anything?"

I said, "Yes. I've got a .45 here on my right hip."

He looked at me for a half second and said, "Just don't shoot me and we'll be fine."

I didn't get a ticket.