Tom Payne 13115 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 The stage starts shotgun in hand. The shooter is shooting a SxS. He is holding it open but in a "trail" carry has one would do while hunting. is this OK?? As the TO I told him its not and he is breaking the 170. I was told I was wrong and it can be held that way according to the "new" SASS rules!! What say you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sloe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I'm not sure what you mean by the "trail" position. I know of nothing that has changed with the 170 rule. The TO should not start the shooter in a faulted position. As such, I believe that you were correct. BS 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 28 minutes ago, Tom Payne 13115 said: The stage starts shotgun in hand. The shooter is shooting a SxS. He is holding it open but in a "trail" carry has one would do while hunting. is this OK?? As the TO I told him its not and he is breaking the 170. I was told I was wrong and it can be held that way according to the "new" SASS rules!! What say you. What do you mean by 'Trail Carry"? Once on the firing line, at no time can the shooter violate the 170. Firing line – From first firearm placed on the loading table until all firearms are confirmed as cleared at the unloading table. (SHB pg. 43) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Had to look up trail carry. Is it this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 What is "trail" carry? To me if the muzzle breaks the 170, then it is a violation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Breaking the 170 is at a minimum a SDQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flat Top Okie Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Hello All, How is he breaking 170 in "trail carry" position? Flat Top Okie 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Payne 13115 Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 7 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: Had to look up trail carry. Is it this: John you are most correct!! This is how most deer hunters would carry their Winchester lever actions. In the case I posted the shooter was holding the shotgun by the wrist of the shotgun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
July Smith Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 By trail carry do we mean open and over one's shoulder sort of like how some trap and skeet shooters move around with their guns? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 However you carry it don't break the 170 period! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Action open, muzzles pointing down range. OK. Muzzles don't break the 170 vertically, OK. Holding it by the wrist, unless both hands on the shotgun is required, OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Tom Payne 13115 said: The stage starts shotgun in hand. The shooter is shooting a SxS. He is holding it open but in a "trail" carry has one would do while hunting. is this OK?? As the TO I told him its not and he is breaking the 170. I was told I was wrong and it can be held that way according to the "new" SASS rules!! What say you. 1. If the shooter was holding it as illustrated, how is he breaking the 170? 2. If the shooter was holding the open SxS by the "wrist", were the barrels pointed straight down? 3. What "new SASS rules"?? 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Around here a long gun in hand requires both hands on the gun. It can be up to the shoulder. Don't see how this guy was holding it to have the muzzle break 170. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Maybe somehow like that? Then, you're likely to break the 170 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Equanimous Phil said: Maybe somehow like that? Then, you're likely to break the 170 Why would anyone want to start holding a shotgun in that manner? By choice, I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said: Why would anyone want to start holding a shotgun in that manner? By choice, I mean. Practicing for quail reason 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Do you mean thusly? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sloe Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 My calibrated eyeballs say that the barrel is around 45 degrees, not close to the 170. Or, if his head is 0 and toes are 180, then about 140 degrees. Still need to know exactly how the shooter had his SG held. BS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) It's all about the muzzle direction. A one-hand carry with the arm straight down and the muzzle within the 170 deg down range direction is perfectly safe. As you can see, not a lot of folks remember from hunter safety class what "Trail Carry" really is. good luck, GJ Edited March 18 by Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 6 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: Maybe somehow like that? Then, you're likely to break the 170 THAT is an ELBOW carry. Not a trail carry, and not legal for SASS use. good luck, GJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rance - SASS # 54090 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Reckon I gotta say the T.O. Was wrong in his call.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 10 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: Why would anyone want to start holding a shotgun in that manner? By choice, I mean. it dsoes not appear to break the 170 unless he turns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) A Edited March 19 by Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sloe Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Perhaps the original poster will let us know if the shooter's shotgun was positioned like any of the pictures. Unless we know that, we're not going to be able to give a true answer. BS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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