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Chevy stooped making the Volt because no one was buying it.   A couple of years later they announced an increase in electric vehicles and the stock price jumps up.  It doesn't make sense to me.  

 

I know tesla sells a lot but tesla seems to be more of a status symbol .  An electric chevy is not a status symbol.   A stock broker buddy of mine says with the new administration electric cars will become mainstream.   I don't think so.  

 

An electric car cost is such that it takes years to appreciate the savings in gas.  

 

Given power outages for storms in winter and hurricane in summer and the rolling black outs in California,  it would make an electric vehicle an inconvenience.   Gas can be bought before the storm and stored in gas cans but not electricity.   I still recall that manufacturing the batteries pollutes more than a gas car does in several years of driving. 

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3 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said:

Prices will get closer if they tax trucks and increase electric vehicle rebates.

 

Artificial supports won’t change the fact that they cost more!  It just means that we, as tax payers, will be paying extra so that the soup of the day can be served instead of the meal of choice!!

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Agreed.  It will help the market penetration which will build infrastructure and acceptance.  

 

The EV need to work on cold climate efficiency and heating systems.  Studies show vehicle range drop 20-50% due to increased draws.  

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1 hour ago, Four-Eyed Buck,SASS #14795 said:

They have to generate more power to be able to charge'em. What are they going to use to generate it?Electric rates around here aren't very low either. How do I know? All electric home:blink::ph34r::blush:

They can be charged after hours.  Level 2 charging between midnight and 6 AM will do.  At current motor vehicle fuel prices we won't save money.

1 hour ago, sassnetguy50 said:

Agreed.  It will help the market penetration which will build infrastructure and acceptance.  

 

The EV need to work on cold climate efficiency and heating systems.  Studies show vehicle range drop 20-50% due to increased draws.  

If we have to buy these vehicles I expect many will install aftermarket propane heaters (for example a Propex HS2211) in their vehicle to save the vehicle battery for driving and not heating.

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2 hours ago, Trigger Mike said:

An electric car cost is such that it takes years to appreciate the savings in gas.  

 

Given power outages for storms in winter and hurricane in summer and the rolling black outs in California,  it would make an electric vehicle an inconvenience.   Gas can be bought before the storm and stored in gas cans but not electricity.   I still recall that manufacturing the batteries pollutes more than a gas car does in several years of driving.

 

You're going to bust their utopia bubble by pointing out the facts.

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Those of us here in Canada and the Northern Canada, plus Alaska, will start working on a Government Sponsored programs to plant current bushes on public land.

That should solve the problem.

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7 minutes ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said:

Those of us here in Canada and the Northern Canada, plus Alaska, will start working on a Government Sponsored programs to plant current bushes on public land.

That should solve the problem.

Since these are current bushes can I assume they are up to date? 
 

 

:rolleyes:

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Having worked for the local electric utility for nearly forty years, I can tell you that they have to have a certain percentage of capacity, that can be brought on-line during times of peak usage. It is called "spinning reserve". When a utility starts approaching their estimated date of foreseeing problems, then they have to build a new generating station, of some kind...nuclear, coal, hydro-electric, or natural gas. Wind, and solar alone, can't get the job done. They can be a supplement the more traditional forms of generation. The electric industry is big on looking ahead, and making some sort of estimate on future needs, because it takes years to get the permits, the land, the equipment, to build a generating station. 

Having said all that, if the country switched to all electric vehicles, it could be a problem of capacity, and availability, of generating stations to supply the added load, on that particular electrical grid system. Also, there is some sort of pollution in creating electricity, less so with electricity generated by damed up rivers, and natural gas, but you do have the problem of nuclear waste storage, both short term, and long term. You have the problem of making the coal fired plants emit cleaner particles into the air, and the removal of residue from the burning of coal. The thing about it is, it is simply more difficult to obtain permits, than it once was. The political climate is against the traditional methods of generating electricity, because the public is mostly ignorant about how difficult it is to generate electricity. Pollution is real, but so is freezing to death, for lack of heat...or heat stroke from having no air conditioning. Technology has, and will, continue to progress in the struggle to make generating electricity cleaner. 

Until research has a really quantum break-through in battery technology, and until they can better compete with gasoline/diesel vehicles, I will not purchase one, even if ole sniffin' joe begged me on bended knees. I will say this...that if ole sniffin' joe, and all his liberal/leftist/socialist pals, would leave the country, move to north korea, and take a bag of fire ants under each arm, then I would consider buying one.   

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1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

You're going to bust their utopia bubble by pointing out the facts.

You mean facts, like somewhere between 65-80% of the rare earth metal production:required for the batteries is controlled by the Chinese?

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Feds give a 7,500 tax credit for a qualifying electric vehicle.  States can give incentives as well such as mine....but not until after I bought one.  Then the state turned around and raised my registration 252% (not a typo) to make up for lost gas tax....so I got no state benefit but get to pay lots more each year for a Hybrid...not even an EV.  
 

Point of my note is the taxes will come en masse to EV owners to make up for lost gas tax revenue.

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On 1/14/2021 at 4:02 PM, sassnetguy50 said:

Prices will get closer if they tax trucks and increase electric vehicle rebates.

when did capitalism become government subsidy to force acceptance and change ? 

 

this is exactly why politics seem to permeate every aspect of our lives these days 

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On 1/14/2021 at 3:21 PM, sassnetguy50 said:

Agreed.  It will help the market penetration which will build infrastructure and acceptance.  

 

The EV need to work on cold climate efficiency and heating systems.  Studies show vehicle range drop 20-50% due to increased draws.  

High speeds also draw a lot more energy.  Cold at highway speeds drop range to less than half of the range on a summer day in town.   A very real issue.  I have had an EV for almost 4 years and 70,000 miles.  My next car probably won’t be electric.   While it was a lot cheaper to drive, about $.02 per mile and had good performance, I can’t get the winter range and body style desired in today’s offering for less than $100k.  

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