Alpo Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Novel. The area where they wish to land the helicopters looks inviting. TOO inviting. They suspect it is mined. This caused me to wonder if they flew above it and shot the hell out of it with mini guns, would this set off any mines that happen to be there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Perhaps. Depends on the mine. I would say probably not...unless cameras are rolling. Actually, I really don’t know. My experience with mines is only from watching TV and movies and places I was told not to walk when visiting the base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 It’d be stupid to assume no and it’d br stupid to think you got them all by shooting up the area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 18 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: It’d be stupid to assume no and it’d br stupid to think you got them all by shooting up the area. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Didn't Rock Hudson do it in a WW2 movie about North Africa? My only experience with mines was I was taught to lay det cord through a mine field and set it off , who was going to run through the mine field to lay the det cord was the question. I figure the various runners would be what actually cleared the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Nope ... Get out the metal detector and rent a herd of sheep ... Then put out a sign for 3 months ... designating the area as a dog-walking park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Patagonia Pete said: Then put out a sign for 3 months ... designating the area as a dog-walking park. For Democrats with foofy dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noz Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 42 minutes ago, Trigger Mike said: Didn't Rock Hudson do it in a WW2 movie about North Africa? My only experience with mines was I was taught to lay det cord through a mine field and set it off , who was going to run through the mine field to lay the det cord was the question. I figure the various runners would be what actually cleared the way. A marine!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 As mentioned, it depends on the type of mine. Anti personnel mines are generally pressure or pressure/release activated. A nearby explosion will usually set off a sympathetic detonation of hearty mines. A bullet may or may not. You don’t need a volunteer to carry the diet cord through the mine field anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: usually A very problematic word when talking about clearing mines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: As mentioned, it depends on the type of mine. Anti personnel mines are generally pressure or pressure/release activated. A nearby explosion will usually set off a sympathetic detonation of hearty mines. A bullet may or may not. You don’t need a volunteer to carry the diet cord through the mine field anymore. Is it foolproof? Seems to me that even if only a few mines are not fooled, you can destroy the confidence of an attacking force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: Is it foolproof? Seems to me that even if only a few mines are not fooled, you can destroy the confidence of an attacking force. By foolproof you mean perfect? Nothing is perfect. Not rifles, hand grenades, torpedoes, aircraft, or nuclear bombs. Well except my wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 From my redneck upbringing, my first thought was that the Python mine clearing system would be great for fishing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 50 minutes ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said: From my redneck upbringing, my first thought was that the Python mine clearing system would be great for fishing! Yup. Probably better in a pond than a river though. (not a lightning strike. det cord and charges to break up a log jam) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: As mentioned, it depends on the type of mine. Anti personnel mines are generally pressure or pressure/release activated. A nearby explosion will usually set off a sympathetic detonation of hearty mines. A bullet may or may not. You don’t need a volunteer to carry the diet cord through the mine field anymore. What about the 10% that the Python System misses????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 That python thing is similar to what they did in the novel. (The minigun was just my wondering). They had Coast Guard line throwing guns, and threw ropes to the far side of the field. Then they pulled the ropes across the field. The ropes had 1/3 pound blocks of c-4 attached to them with sandbags sitting on top of it. When they had the field crisscrossed with these ropes/c4/sandbag things they exploded the c4. It seems to me that if they had a third of a pound of anything, with a several pound bag of sand on top of it, and they dragged it on a rope across open ground, the weight of the sandbag would probably roll it around so that the bag would be on the bottom and the explosive would be blowing up into the air. In other words, I don't think what they used in the book would actually have worked. Their plan was to explode any mines that happened to be underneath the explosives and sympathetic detonation would make all the others go off. But lucky for them there were no mines in the field. All that planning and effort for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Det cord across a minefield would be a modern version of a Bangalore torpedo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 An RC truck pulling the det cord across would be much more efficient. Cost less than the rocket, quicker to set up, precise cord location (around an obstacle like the convoy must travel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: Det cord across a minefield would be a modern version of a Bangalore torpedo? Bangalore was designed to breach barbed wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: An RC truck pulling the det cord across would be much more efficient. Cost less than the rocket, quicker to set up, precise cord location (around an obstacle like the convoy must travel). But what if the rc truck blows up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 The Barrett rifle was used by EOD teams In the sand box to either detonate or deactivate roadside IEDs. Either way, they became less hazardous to soldiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: But what if the rc truck blows up? Then you know there was a mine right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 The monitor lizards would set them off in Viet Nam. Of course they were 6' long too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: By foolproof you mean perfect? Nothing is perfect. Not rifles, hand grenades, torpedoes, aircraft, or nuclear bombs. Well except my wife. Smart move, Bob. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 In postwar Europe the caribou learned to change their migration routes to go around the minefields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 6 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Bangalore was designed to breach barbed wire. You'd have to be pretty stupid to push the bangalore torpedo through a mine field. If the torpedo was pushed directly over an AP mine it may set it off which would detonate the torpedo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Hose a lz with a minigun? Then I hope nobody expects the enemy to just ignore that action and let troop ships land unopposed. It is kind of a giveaway. Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 My former CO had his chopper come in low to recon a possible LZ. There was a 155 mm shell suspended in the trees. The explosion brought the Huey down. Everybody on board was KIA. Not all mines are underground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 As far as hosing it down, the procedure is to have artillery pound the area. Followed by rocket runs by gunships, followed immediately by slicks landing the troops. Shock and awe scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 12 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: By foolproof you mean perfect? Nothing is perfect. Not rifles, hand grenades, torpedoes, aircraft, or nuclear bombs. Well except my wife. I'm not sure your wife is perfect. Look who she married. Of course she may have felt sorry for you, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 15 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: But what if the rc truck blows up? Then the truck did its job. That would be a very sensitive land mine, those trucks have practically no ground pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: Then the truck did its job. That would be a very sensitive land mine, those trucks have practically no ground pressure. But if it only get a few meters into the mine field, you’ll need another truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 8 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: I'm not sure your wife is perfect. Look who she married. Of course she may have felt sorry for you, too. She thought she could fix me. Managed to train me. But I still need fixin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: But if it only get a few meters into the mine field, you’ll need another truck. True, figured they would reuse that rocket’s trailer to haul 40 trucks. It’d be the same size carrier box, $3,000 and offer more uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: She thought she could fix me. Managed to train me. But I still need fixin. My wife used to introduce me as "My project." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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