Lawdog Dago Dom Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 YEAH!! I like it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Should have dye in it to locate people needing to be arrested l ater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Cliff Hanger #3720LR said: Should have dye in it to locate people needing to be arrested l ater. That’s a great idea!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Hanger #3720LR Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 Not my idea. European countries use dye in there crowd control water canons. Also the hand held cop canisters have dye in them when they confront people breaking the law so they can be picked up later as they leave the area and get away from the frenzy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cliff Hanger #3720LR said: Not my idea. European countries use dye in there crowd control water canons. Also the hand held cop canisters have dye in them when they confront people breaking the law so they can be picked up later as they leave the area and get away from the frenzy. Pepper foam and gel (think of it as Silly String with bad intentions) comes with a UV dye in it. Anybody hit with it will glow under black light- and it don't wash off. Hey Dom! Maybe he was ex-Navy and was just trying to hold a wetting down party in celebration of her receiving a participation trophy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 52 minutes ago, Cliff Hanger #3720LR said: Should have dye in it to locate people needing to be arrested l ater. Great idea but wait for the lawsuits....Poor little things would have no safe space to hide.... Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 15 hours ago, Texas Lizard said: Great idea but wait for the lawsuits....Poor little things would have no safe space to hide.... Texas Lizard How are they going to sue anyone? They burned down all the courthouses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Lizard Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Ramblin Gambler said: How are they going to sue anyone? They burned down all the courthouses. Point well taken....Then lets us find some good dye.....And go to work.... Texas Lizard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Why don't pepper spray companies add India Ink to their spray? Maybe in Red to mark them for what they are...Reds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Back in the dark ages, I was part of the Riot control team. We were specifically told to remove the name tags from our uniform shirts during events. We never had to deal with anything like is going on now. Mostly just stomp and drag training and defending against teenagers with tennis balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 dang guys wish id come into this forum a while back , i like the thinking , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 On 8/6/2020 at 9:50 PM, watab kid said: dang guys wish id come into this forum a while back , i like the thinking , Yeah we're full of good ideas. Full of something at any rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I have mixed feelings about pepper spray, as I KNOW that it can cause serious eye damage to many people. I’m one of them. I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve been involved in any demonstrations, riots, etc. Honestly, if some officer sprayed me with that stuff....... if I came out of it to where I could see,......... Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I've been exposed to it in a trial, to show us the effect. That and tasered, which was NOT fun, again to demo the effect. I bought the dang things, but I do not want to be on the receiving end again. Tactical tried to get me to wear some protection and experience the effects of the WEN, but I passed on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 I was fifty seven years old when I rode the lightning let’s just say my wife wasn’t happy about it when she found out. Like every cop I experienced pepper spray on a regular basis, damn wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 12 hours ago, Cat Brules said: I have mixed feelings about pepper spray, as I KNOW that it can cause serious eye damage to many people. I’m one of them. I’ve never been in a situation where I’ve been involved in any demonstrations, riots, etc. Honestly, if some officer sprayed me with that stuff....... if I came out of it to where I could see,......... Cat Brules You would be in cuffs so all you would do would be to scream and scrape your face on the pavement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted August 8, 2020 Share Posted August 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: I've been exposed to it in a trial, to show us the effect. That and tasered, which was NOT fun, again to demo the effect. I bought the dang things, but I do not want to be on the receiving end again. Tactical tried to get me to wear some protection and experience the effects of the WEN, but I passed on that. What is the WEN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 I was shield man on a tactical unit in one of the most violent maximum security prison and did over 100 cell extractions, so I breathed a LOT of CS and pepper spray over the years. Also, got Tazered when we were training before we adopted them. Yeesh, the good old days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cat Brules Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Henry T Harrison said: You would be in cuffs so all you would do would be to scream and scrape your face on the pavement Keep yacking it up. Similar types and stripe usually learned at a much earlier age not to bully, or otherwise harass or assault those who don’t take to being subjected to torture by a gang of cowards, who never engage individually, alone. I’ll bet a dollar that there’s five or six police sites out there where you could go and brag. Cat Brules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: What is the WEN? I think that is what they called it when the sales techie demo'd it. It fired a 37mm or 40mm rubber type round from a big rotating drum. Ottawa Police Tactical was looking at alternative less lethal kinetic energy devices after a poor mental case was killed when struck with a bean-bag round fired from a shotgun. The fellow was bare chested; no shirt, slashing his own arms and no one could get near him. He was not wearing a shirt, the round turned edgewise, hit him between two ribs and entered his chest cavity, killing him. The officer who fired the round was very upset, even weeks later when I had coffee with him in the cafeteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Cat Brules said: Keep yacking it up. Similar types and stripe usually learned at a much earlier age not to bully, or otherwise harass or assault those who don’t take to being subjected to torture by a gang of cowards, who never engage individually, alone. I’ll bet a dollar that there’s five or six police sites out there where you could go and brag. Cat Brules Ok Mr anti police keyboard commando If an officer sprayed you he did it for a reason and you’re going to jail for whatever that offense was plus resisting arrest and possibly assaulting a police officer. Keep being belligerent and you get another face full. If you’re talking about what you would do to me you better rethink that idea, you would quickly regret it. You should probably read my bio. Especially the part about being a 5th degree Black Belt in Chinese Kenpo with a Black Belt in Judo I’ve also studied both Brazilian and small circle jujitsu as well as Kali. Twenty five years of study in martial arts so take your shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 yup - full of great ideas , like getting taised or pepper sprayed , im thinking ill pass on that for now , but i like the dye for tracking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 8 hours ago, watab kid said: yup - full of great ideas , like getting taised or pepper sprayed , im thinking ill pass on that for now , but i like the dye for tracking 8 hours ago, watab kid said: I retired from law enforcement eleven years ago and none of the officers I worked with still carried pepper spray. It wasn’t worth the effort. It took just a little breeze and you were sucking your own spray. If used indoors the furnace would carry it through the whole building, and then there was the clean up of the “victim” The taser had none of those problems. It was eight seconds of pure hell but then it was over with essentially no recovery time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Eight seconds! Felt more like 8 hours when they turned it on. The guys holding me up said I went limp as soon as it "fired". Glad they advised me to empty my bladder beforehand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Henry T Harrison said: I retired from law enforcement eleven years ago and none of the officers I worked with still carried pepper spray. It wasn’t worth the effort. It took just a little breeze and you were sucking your own spray. If used indoors the furnace would carry it through the whole building, and then there was the clean up of the “victim” The taser had none of those problems. It was eight seconds of pure hell but then it was over with essentially no recovery time Sure. But they're clearly using it, or something similar, on the rioters. All the more reason to add the dye because the rioters aren't all being arrested on the scene. I did a ride along years ago and they had had to use pepper spray on someone in the jail. It was pretty strong but not too bad. Then I found out it happened a day and a half ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizPete Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 All Daddy had was a billy club. If he carried a pistol, he 'protected' me from that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 I am still waiting for the water cannons to come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 If you really want to disperse a bunch of rioters, using a water cannon, you need a little something extra to get their attention. Try adding an electric charge in the water stream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 12:25 AM, Henry T Harrison said: Ok Mr anti police keyboard commando If an officer sprayed you he did it for a reason and you’re going to jail for whatever that offense was plus resisting arrest and possibly assaulting a police officer. Keep being belligerent and you get another face full. If you’re talking about what you would do to me you better rethink that idea, you would quickly regret it. You should probably read my bio. Especially the part about being a 5th degree Black Belt in Chinese Kenpo with a Black Belt in Judo I’ve also studied both Brazilian and small circle jujitsu as well as Kali. Twenty five years of study in martial arts so take your shot. I'm going to push back a little. I can't speak of everywhere, but at least in Columbus, OH, that "reason" often seemed to be "because they could." Plenty of footage of officers hitting otherwise peaceful protestors, journalists, officials, and even non-protestors trying to get out of the way with pepper spray, rubber and wooden projectiles. Spraying pepper spray into aid stations set up away from the protests was documented. Officers caused permanent physical harm in some cases. I've seen the footage, and there is plenty to be found, or at least there was. So, it seems that the "reason" is the reason that the whole "defund the police" mantra was raised in the first place, and one which you articulate so well: Officer Billy A. Badass with a badge using his authority indiscriminately against citizens doing nothing wrong, because he can and bragging about his ability to do so. Of course, in the videos, since Officer Badass has his name tag removed and won't provide information, even if someone gets the chance to ask, he is pretty much unaccountable and immune from prosecution. Convenient, huh? As a former prosecutor, I've got plenty of friends who are cops, and if some of them bragged about doing things I've heard from other officers, or said to me what others have said, I would be telling them exactly how wrong they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 4 hours ago, DocWard said: I'm going to push back a little. I can't speak of everywhere, but at least in Columbus, OH, that "reason" often seemed to be "because they could." Plenty of footage of officers hitting otherwise peaceful protestors, journalists, officials, and even non-protestors trying to get out of the way with pepper spray, rubber and wooden projectiles. Spraying pepper spray into aid stations set up away from the protests was documented. Officers caused permanent physical harm in some cases. I've seen the footage, and there is plenty to be found, or at least there was. So, it seems that the "reason" is the reason that the whole "defund the police" mantra was raised in the first place, and one which you articulate so well: Officer Billy A. Badass with a badge using his authority indiscriminately against citizens doing nothing wrong, because he can and bragging about his ability to do so. Of course, in the videos, since Officer Badass has his name tag removed and won't provide information, even if someone gets the chance to ask, he is pretty much unaccountable and immune from prosecution. Convenient, huh? As a former prosecutor, I've got plenty of friends who are cops, and if some of them bragged about doing things I've heard from other officers, or said to me what others have said, I would be telling them exactly how wrong they were. Peaceful protesters You must be kidding. Protesters injured the poor things. The police are tired angry and frustrated by the abuse that they are taking from the poor peaceful protesters and the lack of support from their politicians and chiefs who have sold them out. Twenty three officers have been killed since George the junky died, five hundred wounded. That includes a young officer permanently paralyzed from the neck down by a BLM supporter and several suffering serious and possible permanent eye damage from your peaceful protesters deliberately shining lasers into their eyes. They are subjected to having Molotov cocktails and commercial fireworks mortars shot at them. The peaceful protesters are now going to the officers homes and harassing their families. I believe that the police are showing admiral restraint. This stopped being a peaceful protest long ago it is now an open war on the police and should be dealt with accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 OP, thanks so much for the idea! I have a high-res of that image, and plagiarized your caption for my own bit of ridicule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Henry T Harrison said: Peaceful protesters You must be kidding. Protesters injured the poor things. The police are tired angry and frustrated by the abuse that they are taking from the poor peaceful protesters and the lack of support from their politicians and chiefs who have sold them out. No, I'm not kidding, since I know people who were in Columbus at the time, and it was well documented. Of course, feel free to mock those with whom you don't agree, and that you don't agree with. It is certainly apropos. It limits the necessity for you to form a cogent response. There was a time where a significant part of the conservative ethos revolved around a Voltairean "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That seems long ago, in another lifetime. Now, conservatives like you mirror the left, demeaning what others say as well as those who speak so they need not address it and give it credibility. Quote Twenty three officers have been killed since George the junky died, five hundred wounded. That includes a young officer permanently paralyzed from the neck down by a BLM supporter and several suffering serious and possible permanent eye damage from your peaceful protesters deliberately shining lasers into their eyes. They are subjected to having Molotov cocktails and commercial fireworks mortars shot at them. The peaceful protesters are now going to the officers homes and harassing their families. I believe that the police are showing admiral restraint. So, because the man was a drug addict and had a criminal record, he deserved what he got? Please, whatever you do, never sit on a criminal jury. I'm sure you have mocking comments and excuses for Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain as well, don't you? Yes, there have been numerous tragic occurrences. I follow law enforcement pages and mourn their deaths. Any time there is an incident involving Columbus Police, my heart goes into my throat until I find out which precinct and who was involved, because I have friends I would die for who are cops there. However, what you've thrown out is a red herring, ignoring the more important aspects of what I said. I've certainly not been talking about the rioting, murders and assaults of LEOs that have gone on of late. I am speaking of a specific time frame, early June of this year, and a specific place, Columbus, Ohio. A place where violence and rioting undoubtedly occurred, but the police response was wholly inappropriate and good people were injured as a result. Of course, they couldn't be good people from your point of view, because they aren't in lock-step with your belief system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 hour ago, DocWard said: No, I'm not kidding, since I know people who were in Columbus at the time, and it was well documented. Of course, feel free to mock those with whom you don't agree, and that you don't agree with. It is certainly apropos. It limits the necessity for you to form a cogent response. There was a time where a significant part of the conservative ethos revolved around a Voltairean "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." That seems long ago, in another lifetime. Now, conservatives like you mirror the left, demeaning what others say as well as those who speak so they need not address it and give it credibility. So, because the man was a drug addict and had a criminal record, he deserved what he got? Please, whatever you do, never sit on a criminal jury. I'm sure you have mocking comments and excuses for Breonna Taylor and Elijah McClain as well, don't you? Yes, there have been numerous tragic occurrences. I follow law enforcement pages and mourn their deaths. Any time there is an incident involving Columbus Police, my heart goes into my throat until I find out which precinct and who was involved, because I have friends I would die for who are cops there. However, what you've thrown out is a red herring, ignoring the more important aspects of what I said. I've certainly not been talking about the rioting, murders and assaults of LEOs that have gone on of late. I am speaking of a specific time frame, early June of this year, and a specific place, Columbus, Ohio. A place where violence and rioting undoubtedly occurred, but the police response was wholly inappropriate and good people were injured as a result. Of course, they couldn't be good people from your point of view, because they aren't in lock-step with your belief system. If George the junky would’ve gotten quietly into the police car he would still be alive. Keep on believing that those protesters are peaceful and with all the cameras were on them the police just attacked with out reason. Twenty three dead five hundred wounded let that sink in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Henry T Harrison said: If George the junky would’ve gotten quietly into the police car he would still be alive. Keep on believing that those protesters are peaceful and with all the cameras were on them the police just attacked with out reason. Twenty three dead five hundred wounded let that sink in. Nice try at dodging what I said. You're still implying that he is dead because he resisted arrest, not through any fault of the police. That seems to suggest you are willing to uphold any action by law enforcement, regardless of legality and lethality. I find that appalling, to be frank. Likewise, it appears that for you to maintain your belief in the righteousness of all law enforcement, the only possibility is for all protestors to be violent, riotous criminals, with no positive motive or message. I don't find that appalling, I find it just sad. I'm aware of the numbers. As heartbreaking as they are, they are irrelevant to what I am saying, and your usage of them is, in a word, fallacious. The fact that you have to circle back to that statement, again and again tells me you are close minded on the subject, and likely not subject to reason. Which goes back to my previous assertion that we have come far from the days when conservative thought was more voltairean and less authoritarian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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