Update on Sandy Hook investigation

[J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE]

Adam Lanza had a Bushmaster AR 15 in the car. He took 4 pistols into the school. He tried to buy another rifle but was turned away at least in part by the waiting period on gun sales in CT.

 

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/today/50208495#50208495

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

Adam Lanza had a Bushmaster AR 15 in the car. He took 4 pistols into the school. He tried to buy another rifle but was turned away at least in part by the waiting period on gun sales in CT.

 

http://video.today.m...208495#50208495

 

Interesting - I guess even the medical examiner got it wrong when he suggested the wounds were consistent with the 'long gun' for all the victims...

 

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[Yellowhouse Sam # 25171]

Okay Mark does this mean that the deed was done with pistols and that a report saying an ar was found beside his body is incorrect? I remain confused!

[Capt. Augustus #6390]

That report was on the 15th of December. When did they report the AR15 was used?

[Marlin Buckhorn,SASS 51727]

Yellowhouse Sam

 

The video clip says that several sources have told NBC the AR15 was left in the car. 4 pistols used in the attack. Very interesting video. Hate the tragedy but hope we do get all of the correct info.

 

Thanks J Mark,

 

Marlin

[Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life]

According to the attached NBC News clip the AR was still in his car & he took 4 pistols into the school.

[Virgil Ray Hality, SASS# 37355]

Okay, so this makes a whole lot of people look foolish. Or, if you like conspiricy theories, perhaps the new anti-gun target is hand guns.

[G #1840]

The media was reporting so much crap for days after this shooting. Much of it conflicted with itself so I will wait until the iinvestigation is complete befoe I jump on the bandwagon. It seems that the long gun found in the car was a shotgun.

[J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE]

I make no promise that the clip is accurate, but I provide it for inclusion in your arsenal of potential facts about this horrific attack.

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

If that clip is not accurate, then all it does is sow confusion.

 

It does not address the question: is their further and new information since the medical examiner's report and the later police reports that an AR was used?

[Krazy Kajun]

If the clip is correct maybe the pricing of Bushmasters will drop a mite....have ya'll seen the pricing for Bushmasters nowadays. All ARs for that fact but particularly Bushmasters.

 

Kajun

[Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172]

No, I have no interest in an AR type rifle so I pay no attention to them.

 

But judging from the comments made and what I, personally have seen, I would say that

hysteria is either here or on the door step. I fear that we do not learn much from

what we see.

[Korupt Karl]

Mark; Thanks for the newsclip. I was thinking that there was some inaccurate reporting on the AR with some saying it was left in the car and others saying it wasn't. With the Sig and the Glock he had enough firepower....with four pistols he didn't have to reload. It doesn't change the result...what a sick puppy.

 

I only wish the mother had been a responsible gun owner and kept them under lock and key....especially knowing her son had problems and that he knew he was going to be committed....What the hell was she thinking?

 

KK

[Iron Pony]

Wow, if the report he didnt use the AR is correct it sounds like the MSM is really burying it.

[Burly Bear Fred]

The rifle in the trunk that they showed from news air coverage would be the first AR15 that I have seen with the charging handle on the right side. ??? Looked more like a simi auto shotgun from what I saw. ??? Evidence contamination as well??? This very SAD story is all over the place Sorry it just really bothers me that Children and women were murdered by a senseless act and the news media is jumping on it as an opportunity to make a gun control issue out of it.

[Burly Bear Fred]

Mark; Thanks for the newsclip. I was thinking that there was some inaccurate reporting on the AR with some saying it was left in the car and others saying it wasn't. With the Sig and the Glock he had enough firepower....with four pistols he didn't have to reload. It doesn't change the result...what a sick puppy.

 

I only wish the mother had been a responsible gun owner and kept them under lock and key....especially knowing her son had problems and that he knew he was going to be committed....What the hell was she thinking?

 

KK

EXACTLY!!!!!

[Rooster Ron Wayne]

Sound like the gun haters PREMATURE EJACULATED

[Utah Bob #35998]

Before we blast the media, not that they don't deserve it, I saw the State Police Lt. who was the spokesman on scene, say that the Bushmaster was found in close proximity of the shootersbody along with two pistols. This was late afternoon or the morning after the incident. I guess we'll have to wait and see what he final report says.

[Long Branch Louie]

Before we blast the media, not that they don't deserve it, I saw the State Police Lt. who was the spokesman on scene, say that the Bushmaster was found in close proximity of the shootersbody along with two pistols. This was late afternoon or the morning after the incident. I guess we'll have to wait and see what he final report says.

But they 1st reported for hours the rifle was found in the car. Hopefully the investigators know the difference in a 9mm and .223 casing....

[Foard County News, SASS #77236]

Waiting for more accurate information seems like a novel concept. I agree the information is all over the place.

 

Several things I do find interesting is that one NJ county wants armed guards for 90 days; one state the day after Sandy Hook let contracts for ALERT training.

[SlicLee SASS #16638 Life]

The first interview before the police came was in the room where he was killed. The reporter showed pics of him on the ground asked teacher there what happened how did he die.

He walked in shooting had one gun in each hand and suddenly stopped shooting, fell down dead. Who shot him,I dont know,he just fell down. On the ground were two hand guns,a Glock and a Sig Saur. There were no other guns around until after the sheriff first said he carried three guns, reporter asked in what hands, that segment was never seen again.

Am I saying the sheriff altered it, "you bet I am".

[Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580]

The rifle in the trunk that they showed from news air coverage would be the first AR15 that I have seen with the charging handle on the right side. ???

 

They do exist. It's called a "side-charger". Much bigger bucks than a standard AR upper...

[Taquila Tab, Sass #25048]

Mark; Thanks for the newsclip. I was thinking that there was some inaccurate reporting on the AR with some saying it was left in the car and others saying it wasn't. With the Sig and the Glock he had enough firepower....with four pistols he didn't have to reload. It doesn't change the result...what a sick puppy.

 

I only wish the mother had been a responsible gun owner and kept them under lock and key....especially knowing her son had problems and that he knew he was going to be committed....What the hell was she thinking?

 

KK

Has anybody heard how he got the guns from his Mom? All I've heard is she had them. Do we know for sure they weren't locked up in some manner and he found/stole the key to get to them? Kids do that sort of thing.

[J. Mark Flint #31954 LIFE]

Well since he had no qualms about shooting his mother as she lay in her bed, I doubt a lock would have been too big of an impediment.

 

I wonder. . . . his mother was shot multiple times-did neighbors report gunshots? did the police respond to any such reports, if they in fact occurred?

 

I have school age children, it isn't just an intellectual exercise here to figure out all of the things that went wrong. It isn't even about blame, it is about doing a better job as parents of both protecting our childrens lives, health, safety AND their liberty.

[Utah Bob #35998]

The first interview before the police came was in the room where he was killed. The reporter showed pics of him on the ground asked teacher there what happened how did he die.

He walked in shooting had one gun in each hand and suddenly stopped shooting, fell down dead. Who shot him,I dont know,he just fell down. On the ground were two hand guns,a Glock and a Sig Saur. There were no other guns around until after the sheriff first said he carried three guns, reporter asked in what hands, that segment was never seen again.

Am I saying the sheriff altered it, "you bet I am".

The reporter had crime scene photos?

[Utah Bob #35998]

Well since he had no qualms about shooting his mother as she lay in her bed, I doubt a lock would have been too big of an impediment.

 

I wonder. . . . his mother was shot multiple times-did neighbors report gunshots? did the police respond to any such reports, if they in fact occurred?

 

I have school age children, it isn't just an intellectual exercise here to figure out all of the things that went wrong. It isn't even about blame, it is about doing a better job as parents of both protecting our childrens lives, health, safety AND their liberty.

Well, the info I saw was that he shot her with a 22. Didn't say what. But that wouldn't necessarily alert the neighbors.

There are just too many unknowns in this case so far.

I'll hold off on conclusions for awhile. Takes time. It ain't CSI.

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

Yup - not going to say anything about what the mom did right or wrong. We do not know HOW the killer obtained the weapons from her. He could have killed her with a weapon she kept in her purse or nightstand and then broke into her safe (if she had one)

 

 

Back to the OP: how hard can it really be to get the story about which weapons he had on him when he entered the school. The media seems to do more injustice to the public with speculating instead of reporting hard facts as they come available. They are so locked into 'getting the story out first' - kinda like the elections of which state chooses which candidate.

 

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[Chantry]

I'm a CT resident. There is a post on a CT based shooting board by a person who knows Newtown police and some of the first responders and he states (and I believe) that all these wild theories are untrue and that an AR-15 was used.

 

http://www.ctguntalk.com/smf/index.php?topic=13772.12

 

 

Let's dispense with these conspiricy theories, it strains credibilty to think that multiple medical examiners, police from multiple towns, the CT State police and even the parents of the people killed would ALL lie to advance a political position.

[Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381]

I'm a CT resident. There is a post on a CT based shooting board by a person who knows Newtown police and some of the first responders and he states (and I believe) that all these wild theories are untrue and that an AR-15 was used.

 

http://www.ctguntalk...?topic=13772.12

 

 

Let's dispense with these conspiricy theories, it strains credibilty to think that multiple medical examiners, police from multiple towns, the CT State police and even the parents of the people killed would ALL lie to advance a political position.

 

 

I believe if there was any credibility to the story, Fox would run with it, banners flying. I have seen nothing to indicate the rifle was not used except the above story.

[Utah Bob #35998]

Yup - not going to say anything about what the mom did right or wrong. We do not know HOW the killer obtained the weapons from her. He could have killed her with a weapon she kept in her purse or nightstand and then broke into her safe (if she had one)

 

 

Back to the OP: how hard can it really be to get the story about which weapons he had on him when he entered the school. The media seems to do more injustice to the public with speculating instead of reporting hard facts as they come available. They are so locked into 'getting the story out first' - kinda like the elections of which state chooses which candidate.

 

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The press digs a lot of holes when looking for a story. Particularly when they alrady have that story formulated in advance. I've worked with a lot of reporters over the years. Some I trusted to not misquote me and do an even-handed job. Most were out to further their careers with a Big Scoop.When they get details they don'ty like they go searching for some other details. Doesn't seem to matter if they're factual or not. They would tweak details to meet their needs and get very "holier than thou" about the 1st Amendment. Some of them had even read it. Only a few understood it. <_</>

[Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L]

The press digs a lot of holes when looking for a story. Particularly when they alrady have that story formulated in advance. I've worked with a lot of reporters over the years. Some I trusted to not misquote me and do an even-handed job. Most were out to further their careers with a Big Scoop.When they get details they don'ty like they go searching for some other details. Doesn't seem to matter if they're factual or not. They would tweak details to meet their needs and get very "holier than thou" about the 1st Amendment. Some of them had even read it. Only a few understood it. />

 

'Big Scoop'...yup, that's the phrase that says it right there.

 

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[Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381]

The press digs a lot of holes when looking for a story. Particularly when they alrady have that story formulated in advance. I've worked with a lot of reporters over the years. Some I trusted to not misquote me and do an even-handed job. Most were out to further their careers with a Big Scoop.When they get details they don'ty like they go searching for some other details. Doesn't seem to matter if they're factual or not. They would tweak details to meet their needs and get very "holier than thou" about the 1st Amendment. Some of them had even read it. Only a few understood it. />

 

 

You nailed this one, pard. It is sad what journalism has become. Edward R. Murrow is spinning in his grave.

[Foard County News, SASS #77236]

I am still waiting on some more reports that the AR was not in the school. I have received at least one other report that there is video of someone remove a long gun from the shooter's car. However it was unclear whether this was an additional gun or the famed AR.

[Yul Lose]

U. B. I truly wish more folks would take your advice and wait for the final report. The conspiracy theories are running rampant. Not good, IMHO!!!

[Utah Bob #35998]

U. B. I truly wish more folks would take your advice and wait for the final report. The conspiracy theories are running rampant. Not good, IMHO!!!

 

I've done shooting investigations and know how complex and confusing they can be, and what a pita it is for the press and public to constantly speculate on what "really" happened.

People love a good conspiracy and will expend great energy in perpetuating one. They will believe hat they want to. That's just the way it is these days.