Jacknife Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 What's the best way to shoot the shotgun targets, approach the targets and take a rifle-like aim at them, or just slam the shootgun to your shoulder and touch the trigger as the barrel points at the target? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Houston # 35508 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 AIM !!!!! Don't ask me why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Jacknife, based on another thread, I think you and I learned to use a shotgun the same way...mount the gun, watch the bird, swing and shoot. My main CAS double does not have a bead. I could not "aim" if I wanted to. And I don't want to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Howdy Didn't we have this discussion the other day? The targets ain't moving. There is no swinging involved. I take the exact same stance I do with my rifle. I see the sights on my rifle and I see the bead on my shotgun. I place the front sight or the bead, whichever, in the middle of the target and I pull the trigger. Same thing with my pistols. Why would you treat the shotgun any different than the rifle or pistols? The targets ain't moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red River Ray SASS#33254 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I think ye might better aim some. Eva time. RRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I think ye might better aim some. Eva time. RRR RR, when I start missing shotgun targets, I will. I promise!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 SHOTGUN, point or aim? Point. Firearms shooting a single projectile are aimed for obvious reasons. Shot guns with a cone shaped spread of multiple projectiles are pointed Edit: There are those that are very accurate 'point shooting' a revolver or rifle also. Believe one will find that persons who have shot shotguns for many years will point at the target. The converse, they will aim at the target It's what one is most comfortable with knowing that the stationary targets will go down. Pop ups? One best point the shotgun for better accuracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Believe one will find that persons who have shot shotguns for many years will point at the target. The converse, they will aim at the targetIt's what one is most comfortable with knowing that the stationary targets will go down. Pop ups? One best point the shotgun for better accuracy I have been shooting shotguns since about 1965 when I first shot Trap with my Dad. On the Trap field I point and swing. Because the targets are moving fast. On a CAS stage I treat it no different than my rifle because the targets are not moving. If you think you can't miss with a shotgun in CAS because of the fact that there are a few hundred pellets going down range, guess again. I wish I had a nickel for every knock down shotgun target that I have seen not go down when shooters don't aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pit Bull Tex Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 I have to aim all my guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulshan 20262 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Why do combat shotguns have sights? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted October 4, 2011 Author Share Posted October 4, 2011 Why do combat shotguns have sights? Same reason they have oversize safeties, combat closers, extended mag tubes, folding stocks and all that other junk. TO SELLLLLLLLLLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Outlaw, SASS 71385 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I aim & slam fire. On a sXs aim,but real fast. AO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Generally, if you don't aim... You will miss. And I "Aim" at when shooting moving targets as well. Not sure where the idea came from, that precision is somehow less important when the target is moving. It aint so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Jacknife, Which end of your shotgun do you use to stir the pot?? Drifter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacknife Posted October 5, 2011 Author Share Posted October 5, 2011 Jacknife, Which end of your shotgun do you use to stir the pot?? Drifter I use the handle end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 So, we have several people here who have one or more championship buckles saying aim. Good enough for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Last entry... I really don't care if you aim your shotgun. I don't understand why it should bother anyone if I don't aim mine. Do what works for you and shoot well, Pards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red River Ray SASS#33254 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I think ye might better aim some. Eva time. RRR What I'm sayin is ye dern well better do some sorta aimin! After alot of shootin it happens without linein up anything hell they ain't nuttin on tha back of mine ta line up. However if I do well in a match its cause I aimed every blame shot. Even sliphammerin at 3 yds or sliphammerin at 9 yds wid tha pistols. Ye dern well better pay attn ta what your doin. If you'd like that translated talk to me in person~ RRR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trueno del Diablo, SASS#22364L Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 If the shotgun fits, point. If it doesn't, better take an aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I constantly swap from a SxS, '97 and '87. I have to aim due to the differences in these guns. If I could practice alot and stick with one scattergun I met feel better about pointing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 If the shotgun fits, point. If it doesn't, better take an aim. That is POINTEDLY the best answer that has been written about this subject. If you can't point it then you better aim to fix the stock fit or you're pointing cockeyed unless you aim it. It definitely matters on poppers and fliers. I'll bet there's not a single shooter on the SASS WAHR that has patterned their shotgun. And I'll bet there are just as few that HAVEN'T shot their rifle and pistols to POA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Come On Christmas Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I aim at stationary targets especially knockdowns. I point at flying stuff with both eyes open as I sweep by the way it is traveling and try to match the perceived speed of flight. I see the bead, so I guess it is kinda both. I rarely miss at clay birds flying away from me. I also learned as a boy to shoot high to let the shot fall on target at far away doves to toast them. My eyesight used to be so good I could see them flying towards me in the heat waves before anyone else did. At 40 poof! Bifocals. That is my story. I am sticking to it. Shameless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 If you look at the bead on a crossing target you'll almost always miss it. Not so bad on a straight away target but as the angle (and lead) increases what happens is that the gun speed stops relative to the speed of the target, therefore causing a miss behind even though it looks like you're shooting way ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'll bet there's not a single shooter on the SASS WAHR that has patterned their shotgun. And I'll bet there are just as few that HAVEN'T shot their rifle and pistols to POA. You'd lose that bet, Brother King... Least, I'm assuming I'm on the SASS Wahr. If you look at the bead on a crossing target you'll almost always miss it. Not so bad on a straight away target but as the angle (and lead) increases what happens is that the gun speed stops relative to the speed of the target, therefore causing a miss behind even though it looks like you're shooting way ahead. I have a box full of old ATA patches and I was always taught to watch the bead(s) on my moving targets. If the beads aint a figure 8 - don't pull the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother King, SASS #69031 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 We can have a manhood measuring contest if you want, Creeker. I won the National Sporting Skins in '97. If you see the lead you lose. Get the barrel in front of the bird and when your cheek hits the stock pull the trigger. If your gun fits and you focus on the leading edge of the target then it breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Dang, I was gona put down which technique I use but I'm afraid somebody will now convince me I been doing it all wrong and I'll have to start shooting more correct in order for all those KD's to fall better (faster). Actually, I mostly point BUT, I must have my cheek on the stock to ensure successfuly hits. I rarely focus on that front bead. Even if I take time to put that bead on the target, ifn that SG ain't properly positioned on my shoulder/cheek, I shoot high. Thats just me. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 We can have a manhood measuring contest if you want, Creeker. I won the National Sporting Skins in '97. If you see the lead you lose. Get the barrel in front of the bird and when your cheek hits the stock pull the trigger. If your gun fits and you focus on the leading edge of the target then it breaks. If you look at the bead on a crossing target you'll almost always miss it. Not so bad on a straight away target but as the angle (and lead) increases what happens is that the gun speed stops relative to the speed of the target, therefore causing a miss behind even though it looks like you're shooting way ahead. I have a box full of old ATA patches and I was always taught to watch the bead(s) on my moving targets.If the beads aint a figure 8 - don't pull the trigger. Am I on the wrong forum? Did this somehow become the Trap and Skeet Forum? I thought we were talking about Cowboy shooting, and if I am not mistaken, most of the targets don't move. You don't have to swing and you don't have to lead. We are not shooting at birds (yes, I know what a clay bird is) They are mostly big square pieces of steel that don't move at all. Maybe the occasional clay target is thrown straight up, but for the most part, the targets don't move. So why all this discussion about the best way to hit a clay pigeon traveling at 30 mph? It's just a big square target. I place the bead on the target and pull the trigger. What else is there to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G. I. Tarpicker, SASS #998 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 First two rules of shotgunning: 1) Pick a bird. 2) Pick a bird. Then, shoot where it's gonna be, not where it was. GIT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 I'm just amazed at how fast folks like Red River Ray and Deuce Stevens can pick up the second and subsequent targets! My eyes can't move that fast. Yeah, I'm shooting black powder and most times the smoke obscures the targets, but on my best day, with a stiff breeze blowing the smoke away, I just can't seem to move that fast. Of course, if I put thousands of shotgun rounds downrange in practice like they do, I might maybe get a little faster... Duc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boon Doggle Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Once I have gone through all 10 rounds on my belt for a four shotgun KD stage, I throw the damn gun at any remaining targets. I carefully AIM my throw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 We can have a manhood measuring contest if you want, Creeker. Brother King, How could I trust your measurements? You don't want to measure to where the target is, but where you hope it will be in the future. It's a joke. Apparently we have both been pretty successful behind the stock of a shotgun and will continue to be. All a matter of style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickahominy Charlie Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Well, I just "point" my shotgun at the target until it's blocked out by the watermelon-sized bead I got on the front, then I pull the trigger. Is that aimin' or pointin'? Chick(whosegothistonguefirmlyplantedinhischeek)hominy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 Think the biggest issue with shotguns may be mounting too low causing one to shoot high. Thinking if you are seeing a lot of rib you are wrong. I try to remember to get the gun high enough I see the whole bead, but not the flat rib, if that makes sense. Put the bead low center on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 That is POINTEDLY the best answer that has been written about this subject. If you can't point it then you better aim to fix the stock fit or you're pointing cockeyed unless you aim it. It definitely matters on poppers and fliers. I'll bet there's not a single shooter on the SASS WAHR that has patterned their shotgun. And I'll bet there are just as few that HAVEN'T shot their rifle and pistols to POA. I'll take that bet. I patterned as part of load development for my 1901. What did I win? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buck D. Law, SASS #62183 Posted October 5, 2011 Share Posted October 5, 2011 If the bet was for $100 bucks and I had to pick a team who will win or place near the top, my money's on the aimers. I don't have a bead on my shotgun, but when it comes to CAS, I damn well aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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