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The 20" octagon seems to be the most favored, for sure The 20" carbine or the 20" octagon rifle will load 11 in the tube. As for the revolvers, these two belonged to Lazarus Long shot before he passed. Lorelei brought these to me to sell for her. American Western Arms Ultimate SAA - 357 GA# 14305265 American Western Arms Ultimate SAA - 357 GA# 14305267

Buy whatever you like and go shoot!!!! Dive in with both feet! You're gonna change your mind so many times on guns to use for this sport anyway. So buy what you can and go shoot!!! I disagree with all that say "Don't buy" until you go to a shoot! Just go shoot!!!! JUST MHO

He'll be pissed at me for doing this, but: He's back in the hospital in ICU with some kind of infection. Just went this morning so we don't know much yet, but it isn't the good news we were hoping for after the transplant. Ya'll know what to do next, I already sent my request. Update: He's about the same and is waiting to be transfered to the U of Oregon hospital where the transplant was originally done. He'll be in ICU there. Keep up the prayers please. Update 12/20: He just called! Sounds weak, but testy as ever They're still trying to find the source of the infection but he's getting better, probably leaving ICU today if things keep going well. I know he's on the road to recovery, he told me he's convinced 2 of the hospital staff to try Cowboy Shooting So far, so good. He says he can't express how much your support and prayers mean to him, it appears he really does have a soft side and he showed it for a bit during our conversation when we talked about his cowboy family. 12/21 He's outta ICU and back in the transplant ward. So far, so good. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all ya'all from Palewolf, Mudflat and Nellie Belle 12/23 Who says prayer doesn't work! Just talked to him and he's standing in line waiting to be discharged. He's going back home (well close by anyways) for Christmas, plans on spending the holiday with his Mom and family. He sounds tired, but they got the infection knocked out and he's back on the road to recovery. He's watching the wire and says "a big thanks" for all the support.

I've decided to start CAS, I have a coach gun so don't need that. Starting out I want to try to keep costs of firearms down (not much capital to work with). I was thinking about the Rossi R92 or Taurus 45LC Thunderbolt and 2 Traditions Firearms RAWHIDE 1873 45LC. Looking for any advice or help anyone can give me. From Eastern Ky if anyone knows anything going on here or anyone who could lend a helping hand.

My son's finally ready to start reloading for his 9mm cause his kid is starting to shoot it as well. So I have been asked to supply components for Christmas. Since I don't reload 9mm myself (yet) I was hoping for some input on choice of powders to use (or not), primers, bullet weight etc. I checked Hodgdons site and see that Universal, Clays, Titegroup, W231, and WSF show up a lot across bullet weights. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Howdy Rocky; Is the reason you're looking at .45 Colt because you're planning on shooting Classic Cowboy? If so the Rifles you're looking at are not legal in Classic. You'll need a '73 or '66. The '60 Henry is legal but not very practical for Main Match. If not, .38/.357 is much less expensive to reload. Just out of curiosity, what kind of Coach gun do you have? One piece of advise, get the very best you can afford. Like with any other kind of tool there's little worse than having one that's unreliable. An unreliable tool will give you nothing but a case of the fits and never ending frustration. On top of that it'll cost you more $$$ in the long run. A good tool in hand will give you confidence and you'll be able to focus on your shooting, transitions, etc. instead of wondering if your equipment is going to fail you. This game is supposed to be fun, in my book frustration does not equal Fun. Like many of the wise sages have already said, get out to some shoots and ask questions, test out as many different firearms as you're offered. Welcome to the Wild Wild West Show.....

I personally think the whole thing sounds kinda hinky......

RC Welcome to the game. One factor that we havent mentioned is how fast you think you will want to go. If you are entering the game to be highly competitive you will probably decide to change guns later on. Lots of the folks that have already responded can shoot twice as fast as I can. your guns, gear and preparation will have a bearing on speed and accuracy. BUT you will find that fast or slow you will find these folks friendly, helpful and fun to be around. People will offer to let you use/try gear and guns and you may be reluctant to pick up someones$1500 rifle and drive it like you stole it. If it is offered try it. You probably wont stay with whatever you start out with and trying other combinations/techniques/classes is actually less expensive in the long run. Hell, we like buying guns and gear. My ex called it Cowboy Heroin Wartrace TN aint too far for a cowboy roadtrip, lots of folks from East Ky come to Wartrace for our State Match in October, hope to see you here too. My$.02 Imis

Rocky, I understand your enthusiasm and it being winter where you are it is difficult to get to a match. But you can often find nicer used guns for what you may spend on this starter set. Maybe, a good compromise would be to contact the club you will be shooting at and see if any of the members have guns to sell in your price range. Having said all that the Rossi and Traditions should serve you well. I used a Rossi for many years before it became the limiting factor in my stage times. Using 38 special ammo in 357 firearms is probably the cheapest route. If you reload 45 would narrow the gap on what you will save compared to 38. Unless you are mechanically gifted and enjoy tinkering the Taurus should be avoided. Good luck in your quest, Smoke

Welcome, Rocky Crisp! I will roll with McCandless here and throw in my 2 cents on your selections. Rossi 92 - good choice. Shoot it a bit before getting all "slick up" crazy. Also, just know a Carbine only holds 8 rounds. Most SASS Match stages call for 10 rifle rounds fired but you can load on the clock if you really really have to have a Carbine the 20" barrel holds 10 rounds and the 24" holds 12 rounds in pistol cartridge ammo. I don't know anything about the Taurus. The Traditions revolver is a Pietta revolver and they are made in Italy. If you like that revolver I know that Cabela's has them on sale until Dec. 24th at $50 off plus, I believe, they are reduced on top of that. I have never fired one so I cannot help you there but I will say that if you are on a budget these would probably work nicely until a later date, should you wish to upgrade or get that gun buying bug that seems to afflict everyone in this game. ...Oh, and by the way, Don't let that "Made in Italy" scare you. If that meant "low quality" Taylor's and Co. wouldn't put such a high price on their offerings, I am sure. One thing you will learn quickly is when you ask for advice here you will get it...

Howdy and welcome. I agree with the others, go out to some matches even though you don't have your irons, good way to find some used ones that might not even be officially for sale but talking to someone they might say, ya know, I got this in the safe I'd be willing to part with. Have fun and enjoy the ride! Grizz

Well, we agree on something huh??? Not black powder though!!!

I'm gonna agree with Mr. Miles here. The Rossi is your best choice of the rifles you mentioned hands down. Those pistols are Pietta made and are probably decent. Unless you can already reload, .357 is a little cheaper to start out with. Welcome to the fun!!!

Howdy, welcome to the fire! You'll be getting lots of advice here, and the answers may go on for a couple of pages. I'm just going to stick to your questions. First, between the '92 and the Thunderbolt... hands down the '92 will give you a better outcome. I've HAD a Thunderbolt, don't have it anymore. Was never able to get it to run reliably, and the customer service was awful. I started with a '92, sold it some years later. Finally tracked one down just like it again. It's a strong rifle, can be used for other purposes than CAS. You can fire heavy loads in it and it is a very accurate rifle. You should have it worked over by a Cowboy Gunsmith, or if you're reasonably handy, order the CD and parts from Steve's Gunz and do the action job yourself. Since you are going for price point, this might be the best option in a rifle that can be found in that price range. You might want to rethink shooting .45 unless you reload. Without reloading, boxes of .45colt are going to be fairly expensive, at more than two boxes per match, plus practice .38's would be less expensive to buy. I'd recommend getting into reloading fairly soon. For the pistols, you might want to look at the Taylor's Cattleman, in either regular or Gunfighter grips. You really need to handle some guns and see if the regular "plow handle" is for you or if you want the longer "Army" grip. The Cimarron Firearms MP400 and MP411 4-3/4 and 5-1/2" are the same guns. All are at a similar price point to the Traditions pieces, but with better fit and finish. Surprisingly I bought some Cimarron Pre-War type revolvers at EoT back in 2003, and they did not need an action job or lighter springs. Yep, I was surprised, because just about every CAS firearm I own has had action work done on it. No promises, you may not get the same results from ones you buy. You'll get a lot of advice here... I tried to stay with your posted questions. Welcome, and get out to a match and handle some guns. Merry Christmas! ~Duc~

unless you need a wall hanger,don't even thing about the Thunderbolt. The rossi 92's are good little carbines,I only gave mine up because a '66 came along at a great price. I"m not familiar with Tradition's single actions,but my old Uberti's have many many miles on them,and still going. Welcome to the fun !

#1, AVOID the Thunderbolt! #2, go to a match and talk to some folks, see what they are using, try some! Blackfoot

Agreed, Don't buy anything yet.

TN Mongo is RIGHT!! The family at Ponderosa Pines will take good care of you!! They generally shoot from March through September and you'll never feel more welcome!! The first match of the year is called the Crap Shoot!! You never know what the weather will be, but we'll shoot anyway!! Saturday AND Sunday!! The '92 and the Rawhides will work to start with. The pump rifle is NOT for someone just starting out. A pair of used Cattlemans will work too!! You CAN do this relatively inexpensively, but a little patience is essential. EDIT: Welcome to the fun!!

Go to a shoot here and check out their stuff. Go to the affiliated clubs on the main page of the SASS website. Ponderosa Pines Posse Manchester, Kentucky, 40962 locate on map Copperhead Joe jeromejarvis61@gmail.com 606-599-5263 Date of Match: 3rd Saturday

Go to a match in your area talk to folks most will let you try out their guns and see what yo like before you start buying. Welcome to the most fun you can have with your clothes on. Randy

I would think that the Rossi would be your best fit to start.I started with a rossi 92 that I will never sale.I keep it as a loan and also to hunt with.Nate and other smiths can make a 92 really slick, and most shooters can not out run a 92.Deuce Stevens and Possum Skinner can run a 92 faster than the a lot of cowboys can run a SS 73 or 66 or a marlin.

I'm one of those who thinks that there is no need to be humane when there was none shown to the victims! DROWN THE BASTARDS!!!

I would duck the Taurus and go with the others.

A hit to the back of the cranium with a small hatchet works wonders - and the instrument is reusuable - should last indefinitely. STL Suomi

Our 95# Lab was always a bed sleeper; started at the foot each night, but inevitably found him up between us in the morning. He's so arthritis-bound now that he can't jump up in the bed (or the Jeep). We miss him, even though he sleeps on the floor right next to us. I've heard others say they would never let a dog in the bed, and some would not allow one in the house. To each his own, but I would not be without a dog in the house. LL

Thanks Rye

don't have a dog, but the cat sleeps wherever she dang well pleases and yu better not try ta argue wit her......

I believe that firing squad is a too honorable way to die for an animal like this. Go ahead and do lethal injection, if there's a glitch, the backup should be to hit him in the head with a hatchet. That, or the KGB approach...the 9mm headache.

Another beautiful musical number. Where are these marvelous young singers coming from and why aren't we hearing more of them?

There is documented proof that John Wayne tried to get into the military and was blocked by his old buddy John Ford and others, from doing so. Soooo, Getting back on point, which was suggested that we do earlier, sounds like the best tact to take in this conversation: If I had to choose between the two, I pick John Wayne. I do not like making that choice because I see Wayne and Eastwood as two separate talents. This was also suggested earlier by others. I don't believe that we can actually make a decision based on a comparison between the two men and their movies. Something that I would have liked to have seen is a movie with both John Wayne and Clint Eastwood in it, maybe as adversarial allies who, in the end, gain enormousrespect for one another.

This one kind of confuses me. It is a matter of record that John Wayne sought to get into Annapolis and failed. When WWII broke out, Wayne was 34 years old, with four kids and was exempted from the draft. He would have also needed a medical waiver to enlist, due to a shoulder injury. My understanding is those were somewhat uncommon until later in the war, and kept one out of combat arms units. Even then, the National Archives have his application to join the OSS. dated from 1943. Not to take anything away from Jimmy Stewart, who was only a year or so younger than Wayne. Other than being underweight, Stewart was physically able to be drafted into the military. After being rejected due to his weight, he sought to put on weight until he was accepted. Stewart also had two other advantages over Wayne, a commercial pilot's license and a college degree. Plenty served in combat. Plenty more served on the home front. To denigrate the latter is an insult to those who couldn't do the former, or had jobs and reasons for not.

Nobody doubts John Wayne's patriotism or his contribution to the war effort during WWII!! MANY were denied participation in and entry into the military due to injury or physical impairment. To denigrate or belittle them or their contributions is as un-American as racism or disrespecting our flag or troops!! Perhaps some of us should re-examine our standards for what is patriotism and remember that this thread began with NO thought or mention of military service OR EVEN patriotism for that matter. There was no call for any axe grinding.......

Use the FULL EDITOR to get rid of the "35" in the heading.

Red Dot will load all things pistol

Actually, that is called acting.. There is a whole industry built around it!! The actors seldom even get to select their own wardrobe......

"Don't tell anyone; but, I do and always have. I'm just not sure you'd call me a competitor." Says Allie in her indoor voice.

Thanks Jack! We're glad you joined Doc's!!

I never tire of seeing this fantastic pistol

Fair warning: Not all the Winchesters are equal. Mine will only run in the high 4's. Must be the springs! Yeah, that's it!!