Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 https://duckduckgo.com/?q=nasa hydrogen car&iax=videos&ia=videos&iai=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DQvk3LWOSewc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Getting this message.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 OOOOOOOH! I want a Hypercar Hindenburg sports coupe, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 When the car was started I decided right then that if I ever win the lottery I am buying one. That is just too cool. Thanks Rye. Now, on another note; we have been hearing about hydrogen technology for decades now. Why is it not available? I am not sure but my conspiratorial mind has some thought I will refrain from airing here. Now my devious “Mwah-ha-ha-ha-Haaaah” portion of my mind thinks “How cool will it be when all the scummy leftist tree hugging sons of…(you get the picture) D’bags buy these up in big cities then create their own hyper muggy environment! How cool would that be. The Left creating climate warming through the use of their ego boosting cars. Ahhhh…life is such a wonder, isn’t it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 4 hours ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Getting this message.... I clicked "watch here" but could only bare just so much of blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 https://youtu.be/MKKhXavH1v4?si=zBIrmQqseeU7gwMq Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 The phone company tried em way back in the 80s. Spent bucue money on the cars and a fueling station of huge torpedo looking tanks. It all went the way of the Chevete & Vega. Seems they had no way to refuel if they got too far from the garage. Flatbeds are expensive!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 PLUS ONE for Forty Rod. Rear Ender Fender Bender = KABOOMB. Nah. I'll Pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 312592447_627429075750905_8591961722985155715_n.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 More coal powered cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 5 Author Share Posted August 5 5 hours ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: Getting this message.... Just click Watch Here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Regular ICE cars can be run on hydrogen. It’s basically no different than natural gas or propane in operation and handling. There ARE some differences in maintenance and start/shutdown protocols, but with today’s electronics, the use of hydrogen could be made unremarkable. The infrastructure for fueling would need to be built. This is no more or less a problem than what we have experienced in building the EV charging infrastructure. The use of fusion reactors for electric power could make hydrogen production cost effective and readily increase power generation at what would become lower cost. We studied this in high school and again in college and it is beyond me why more hasn’t been done to advance research in this area! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 I’ll bet if they ever make a truck it won’t look like a stainless trash can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 3 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: I’ll bet if they ever make a truck it won’t look like a stainless trash can. That statement reflects badly on trash cans!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 11 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said: Regular ICE cars can be run on hydrogen. It’s basically no different than natural gas or propane in operation and handling. There ARE some differences in maintenance and start/shutdown protocols, but with today’s electronics, the use of hydrogen could be made unremarkable. The infrastructure for fueling would need to be built. This is no more or less a problem than what we have experienced in building the EV charging infrastructure. The use of fusion reactors for electric power could make hydrogen production cost effective and readily increase power generation at what would become lower cost. We studied this in high school and again in college and it is beyond me why more hasn’t been done to advance research in this area! Three reasons It's not what the current administration's handler's are vested in. It doesn't fit the greenie agenda. Many people associate hydrogen fuel with a certain disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 1 minute ago, Cypress Sun said: Three reasons It's not what the current administration's handler's are vested in. It doesn't fit the greenie agenda. Many people associate hydrogen fuel with a certain disaster. Shoud we equate EVs with the electric chair?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said: Shoud we equate EVs with the electric chair?? Just keep the sponge wet and there should be no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 When they develop a hydrogen powered vehicle that performs like my ICE vehicle does AND I can buy a solar powered hydrogen producing machine I can put in my yard, i will seriously consider this. Buy the vehicle and the fuel is forever free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 The biggest problem with hydrogen is evaporation. If you don't use your gasoline-powered car for a few weeks, virtually all the gasoline is still in the tank. If you don't use your hydrogen-powered car for a few weeks, the tank is empty. It is a big thermos bottle with very low heat content (liquid hydrogen), and the only way to keep the heat that low is venting evaporated hydrogen gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 38 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: The biggest problem with hydrogen is evaporation. If you don't use your gasoline-powered car for a few weeks, virtually all the gasoline is still in the tank. If you don't use your hydrogen-powered car for a few weeks, the tank is empty. It is a big thermos bottle with very low heat content (liquid hydrogen), and the only way to keep the heat that low is venting evaporated hydrogen gas. You'd need a Cryogenic Dewar to even try to store the stuff. At that, they're not that great. With liquid nitrogen or oxygen, you can count on about a 10% per day loss of product. I delivered them when I worked for Praxair, we pretty much had to order them from the fill plant when we knew they were going to be delivered. If they sat for a week, we had to send them back because they'd lost enough product that we couldn't sell them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Thinking about making hydrogen at home. Solar cells. Boil water to get clean steam, condense back to liquid. Hopefully use the heat for something. Now use electricity to split the water molecules, oxygen to one side and hydrogen to the other. Hopefully use the oxygen for something. Also the heat. Compress and cool the hydrogen to a liquid. Hopefully use the heat for something. Put in car. Lose 10% per day. The simplistic idea is to use all that heat for making the steam at the first step, Three problems. First due to inefficiencies, you can't recover it all. Second, due to inefficiencies, there is more heat than needed to boil the water. Third, if excess heat is not dumped, the entire system heat soaks and stops working. Hydrogen does make sense for stable systems, such as maybe metropolitan bus systems which use hydrogen at the rate of production and get a full fueling daily. Known miles, known route, and engineered to do so. For a car at home where I may or may not get groceries or go to an appointment or have a long trip or not going anywhere today? No good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 2 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: That statement reflects badly on trash cans!! Found this for you. It’s pretty funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 10 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: Thinking about making hydrogen at home. Solar cells. Boil water to get clean steam, condense back to liquid. Hopefully use the heat for something. Now use electricity to split the water molecules, oxygen to one side and hydrogen to the other. Hopefully use the oxygen for something. Also the heat. Compress and cool the hydrogen to a liquid. Hopefully use the heat for something. Put in car. Lose 10% per day. The simplistic idea is to use all that heat for making the steam at the first step, Three problems. First due to inefficiencies, you can't recover it all. Second, due to inefficiencies, there is more heat than needed to boil the water. Third, if excess heat is not dumped, the entire system heat soaks and stops working. Hydrogen does make sense for stable systems, such as maybe metropolitan bus systems which use hydrogen at the rate of production and get a full fueling daily. Known miles, known route, and engineered to do so. For a car at home where I may or may not get groceries or go to an appointment or have a long trip or not going anywhere today? No good. Or Just use tapwater to crack and solar to power the splitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 7 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: Regular ICE cars can be run on hydrogen. It’s basically no different than natural gas or propane in operation and handling. There ARE some differences in maintenance and start/shutdown protocols, but with today’s electronics, the use of hydrogen could be made unremarkable. The infrastructure for fueling would need to be built. This is no more or less a problem than what we have experienced in building the EV charging infrastructure. The use of fusion reactors for electric power could make hydrogen production cost effective and readily increase power generation at what would become lower cost. We studied this in high school and again in college and it is beyond me why more hasn’t been done to advance research in this area! Sort of like for EVs, eh? And, since water vapor, the byproduct of burning hydrogen, is very potent greenhouse gas, why would we want hydrogen power? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still hand Bill Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 8 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Sort of like for EVs, eh? And, since water vapor, the byproduct of burning hydrogen, is very potent greenhouse gas, why would we want hydrogen power? Every gallon of gas makes 2 gallons of water when burned. Any hydrocarbon makes water when burned, so maybe the whole greenhouse gas thing is about energy usage? Snugging down the tinfoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 16 hours ago, John Kloehr said: The biggest problem with hydrogen is evaporation. If you don't use your gasoline-powered car for a few weeks, virtually all the gasoline is still in the tank. If you don't use your hydrogen-powered car for a few weeks, the tank is empty. It is a big thermos bottle with very low heat content (liquid hydrogen), and the only way to keep the heat that low is venting evaporated hydrogen gas. 16 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: You'd need a Cryogenic Dewar to even try to store the stuff. At that, they're not that great. With liquid nitrogen or oxygen, you can count on about a 10% per day loss of product. I delivered them when I worked for Praxair, we pretty much had to order them from the fill plant when we knew they were going to be delivered. If they sat for a week, we had to send them back because they'd lost enough product that we couldn't sell them. This explains the lack of advertised range complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted August 6 Share Posted August 6 21 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said: We studied this in high school and again in college and it is beyond me why more hasn’t been done to advance research in this area! For the same reason Curtis-Wright bought the patents to the Wankel rotary engine, then shelved it for years until the patents expired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 On 8/5/2024 at 1:55 PM, Blackwater 53393 said: Regular ICE cars can be run on hydrogen. It’s basically no different than natural gas or propane in operation and handling. There ARE some differences in maintenance and start/shutdown protocols, but with today’s electronics, the use of hydrogen could be made unremarkable. The infrastructure for fueling would need to be built. This is no more or less a problem than what we have experienced in building the EV charging infrastructure. The use of fusion reactors for electric power could make hydrogen production cost effective and readily increase power generation at what would become lower cost. We studied this in high school and again in college and it is beyond me why more hasn’t been done to advance research in this area! Fuel cells are not cheap because they contain a lot of platinum. Also splitting water molecules isn't very efficient. Then there is a thing called hydrogen embattlement where hydrogen atoms diffuse into the crystal lattice of steel which makes the steel brittle. This is what happened with the bolts used to attach the west side of the new SF Bay Bridge. The design engineers forgot about this well know phenomenon. These huge bolts stated to fail not long after the span was open. Big public black eye and expensive fix. This means you can't convert natural gas distribution piping to H2 piping. transporting and storing liquid hydrogen is more efficient; however, liquefying H2 gas is very energy intensive and it must be maintained at <21 Kelvin (-421.87 F) otherwise it will it will vaporize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 If only we could mix it with something that would stabilize it and allow it to remain in a liquid state at ambient temprature... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 55 minutes ago, Texas Joker said: If only we could mix it with something that would stabilize it and allow it to remain in a liquid state at ambient temprature... Gasoline. That might work. It might actually make engines run and make cars go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 13 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Gasoline. That might work. It might actually make engines run and make cars go. Time tested for over a century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 I saw more than one regular automobile successfully run, being tested on hydrogen back in the late ‘60s/early ‘70s. As I recall, they used equipment similar to that used to operate propane powered vehicles. I DO remember that some modifications had to be made to the fuel system for safety and reliability, but the cars and a truck ran fine and, at least in the short term, produced no noxious gases or chemicals. The production of hydrogen can be augmented by utilizing fusion nuclear reactors which could also produce large quantities of electricity. As I understand it, that’s a need that in recent history has been hard to fill. I’m reasonably confident that delivery, storage, and handling issues can be resolved, much the same as the issues with the lithium batteries have and are being dealt with. Perhaps it could be even easier, since we already have over a century of experience in handling hydrogen. I would think that places like California, with its constant drought problems might welcome some of that water vapor that when cooled becomes liquid water, like the stuff that they can’t seem to get enough of. Then again, they have even more trouble handling and managing what water they have! I only brought up the hydrogen power idea after recalling that I saw it explored in a Mechanix Illustrated article, which I was reminded of in the Gus Wilson thread. Food for thought?? Well… at least a snack! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 The unintended consequence of switching to hydrogen is the water vapor will make cities even more humid than they already are. Cities got this way as the unintended consequence using sprinklers to attain those immaculate green lawns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 hour ago, Sedalia Dave said: The unintended consequence of switching to hydrogen is the water vapor will make cities even more humid than they already are. Cities got this way as the unintended consequence using sprinklers to attain those immaculate green lawns. Yep, Yep, Yep. Phoenix is a good example of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 8 Author Share Posted August 8 8 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Yep, Yep, Yep. Phoenix is a good example of that. 9 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: The unintended consequence of switching to hydrogen is the water vapor will make cities even more humid than they already are. Cities got this way as the unintended consequence using sprinklers to attain those immaculate green lawns. 8 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Yep, Yep, Yep. Phoenix is a good example of that. Yep people from the east go to Arizona and want a green lawn like we have here. It’s a desert for Gods sakes! I’d have rocks and cacti if I lived there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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