Doc Altman SASS#74468 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 I have trouble getting reloaded Win AA hulls to shuck out of my side-by-side. For big matches, I usually use new Winchester Low Noise/Low Recoil shells, but much prefer reloading STS hulls (which shuck much easier out of my gun). Rather than buying more Winchester Feather-lights, I was thinking about trying Remington Premier STS Low Recoil shells. They're 2.5 dram with 1 1/8 ounce shot driven at 1100 fps, so I'd think recoil would be more substantial than the Winchester LN/LR. Midway has them priced cheaper than the featherlight Winchesters, but I'm curious as to how people like this load? Thanks! --Doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 JMHO, I'd expect recoil to be more noticable as the payload and powder is heavier,but it would be a good way to accumulate some STS hulls which seems to be unobtanium lately. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Oh yes, much toastier than Win AAs. If you could get your hands on STS hulls, reload em yourself to the level of recoil and size payload you want. A decent MEC isn't that expensive and you'll be in business. I much prefer STS hulls as well. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) As you note they are lighter than the 1145 or 1200fgs loads but no where near as light as the LNLR Winchesters. If you are having trouble with AA reloads you need to check your loading equipment/procedures. Do you have one of those Slix or Roger Rapid taper tools? Edited July 25 by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Get a 10ga mop, put it in a drill motor and coat it with toothpaste. Now do the back and forth thing with both chambers..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 FYI if you cannot find STS hulls look for Remington Gun Club hulls. They are extruded and identical to the STS on the interior and use the same loading data. They do have steel rims which is no problem if your press has a collet sizer like that on the Mec Sizemaster or the Super Sizer. At SASS velocities the steel head does not expand and they shuck just fine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 (edited) Or you could buy empties and roll your own. Coyotes Mercantile Edited July 25 by Shooting Bull 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 27 minutes ago, Shooting Bull said: Or you could buy empties and roll your own. Coyotes Mercantile Thanks, haven't run across that site. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Altman SASS#74468 Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 7 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: As you note they are lighter than the 1145 or 1200fgs loads but no where near as light as the LNLR Winchesters. If you are having trouble with AA reloads you need to check your loading equipment/procedures. Do you have one of those Slix or Roger Rapid taper tools? I've reloaded shotshells on an old Pacific/Hornady DL-155 for decades. STS hulls work great and shuck easily, but I'm running short of them and need some new stock; thus my thoughts about buying a case or two of the STS shells. I do have a Slix shotshell checker, but I can't tell that it helps much with the new(er) AA hulls. I've polished my chambers and played around with the adjustments on my press (wad pressure is virtually nil, which hasn't helped), but the AA hulls still hang up far too often in my SxS. I do not have a MEC Sizemaster; I've wondered if that might help but haven't invested in one. I could just purchase more STS hulls, but it's far more economical to buy a case of loaded rounds and save the hulls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go West Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 I have a Sizemaster that makes nice shells and have almost run out of Remington Game hulls and have been forced to use AAs. I use a mop that was sprayed with oil after every stage. I forgot the mop at the last match and had two hulls that stuck. I do use the machine that puts a small taper on the end of the shell that makes them easier to load a double. We bought 35 cases of game loads when we started and only a few remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jefro, SASS#69420 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Yes, buy them. If you're gonna reload I have about 3,000 once fired I could loan you a few. Good Luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 10 minutes ago, Go West said: I have a Sizemaster that makes nice shells and have almost run out of Remington Game hulls One of the advantages of living near the Ben Avery Clay Target Center is myself and the other cheap cowboys can go out there and scrouge the empty hull trash cans. If you did not live in a suburb of Naco I could give you some. How far is the Tucson Clay range from you? They have a huge range with lots of trash cans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mongo, SASS #61450 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Yes they have a little more "zip" than Winchester featherlites, but they aren't bad. My wife and I both used new STS shells at Black Gold last week and she had no issues with the recoil. Now we have more empty hulls to reload. I only use Remingtons in my SKB because always shuck reliably. I also use a coning tool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Altman SASS#74468 Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 20 minutes ago, TN Mongo, SASS #61450 said: Yes they have a little more "zip" than Winchester featherlites, but they aren't bad. My wife and I both used new STS shells at Black Gold last week and she had no issues with the recoil. Now we have more empty hulls to reload. I only use Remingtons in my SKB because always shuck reliably. I also use a coning tool. I was at Black Gold as well. In fact, Mongo, I came in second place to you in the Senior Gunfighter category. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Altman SASS#74468 Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 40 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: One of the advantages of living near the Ben Avery Clay Target Center is myself and the other cheap cowboys can go out there and scrouge the empty hull trash cans. If you did not live in a suburb of Naco I could give you some. How far is the Tucson Clay range from you? They have a huge range with lots of trash cans. I'm just 1940 miles away, Larsen! Thank you for the offer, though. I said I didn't have a MEC Sizemaster earlier, but I meant a MEC Super Sizer. I've thought about getting one but not sure if it would help with this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go West Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 The Sizemaster resizes the metal base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totes Magoats Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 I use those STS factory loads for those "Holy Crap, you built those SG targets" knock down rounds. Totes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 2 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: One of the advantages of living near the Ben Avery Clay Target Center is myself and the other cheap cowboys can go out there and scrouge the empty hull trash cans. If you did not live in a suburb of Naco I could give you some. How far is the Tucson Clay range from you? They have a huge range with lots of trash cans. I camp at the Clay Target Center during EOT and spend evenings dumpster diving for Gun Clubs. I've picked up so many that I have storage problems. I load them once with smokeless powder and then next with black powder, then toss them. (I prefer discarding hulls after one firing with black powder.) I shoot reloads in STS hulls for major matches but Gun Clubs for local matches and warm up stages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 1 hour ago, Doc Altman SASS#74468 said: I'm just 1940 miles away, Larsen! Thank you for the offer, though. I said I didn't have a MEC Sizemaster earlier, but I meant a MEC Super Sizer. I've thought about getting one but not sure if it would help with this problem. Do your reloads easily drop all the way into the shell checker? or do you have to give them a little push with your finger? I use a Super Sizer on all my shells including new factory shells. Since Covid the quality control of hulls especially AAs has been pretty bad. I have also found that once fired hulls picked up at CAS matches typically have greatly oversized heads. I have even had to throw away some because the SG they were fired from had such oversized chambers that they wouldn't fit into my MEC Grabber. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 11 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: Do your reloads easily drop all the way into the shell checker? or do you have to give them a little push with your finger? 3 hours ago, Doc Altman SASS#74468 said: I do have a Slix shotshell checker, but I can't tell that it helps much with the new(er) AA hulls. Just to make sure everyone is on the same page. Slix use to make a shotshell checker that just checked case size. Then they came out with the model that tapers the crimped portion of the shell . It is much larger. If you ammo does not drop FREELY right up to the rim in the new style checker then chances are it won't shuck well. This is the new one. The old one was shorter and was just the knurled section at the base of this one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dream Chaser, SASS #79316 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Yes they are a noticably hotter than LNLR but shootable. I keep some in my cart incase a stage has some known hard to get down SG targets (loaned some to others when TO said shooters were having trouble getting a particular stages targets down). Other than that I practice with them and reload the known once fired hulls for “important” matches which then give me hulls for monthlies. If I did not load SG I would use them for everything and keep the empties for when I began loading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Has anyone bought any of the new Remington shells and reloaded them yet? I always liked the STS hulls to reload, so when I got a chance to buy a flat of 28ga I got them. I have never had so much trouble loading any other hull in my life. First when I sized and deprimed them I had to pull the hull off the decapper pin, I could plainly see plastic around the hole for the primer, I was thinking that was going to be a pain if I had to fight the hulls off the pin every reload. Then I primed them, primer kept backing out, Plastic was pushing them back out. Had to take a drill, just under primer size and drill the plastic out. Then came the nightmare of crimping, could not get them to crimp right, finally measured the overall length, and the were .06 to .08 longer then AA hulls. So is it just me? Just the 28ga? Or have other people had trouble with the new hulls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 said: Has anyone bought any of the new Remington shells You have to define what you mean by this. What new Remington shells? Remington makes all kinds of shells. Edited July 26 by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 5 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Just to make sure everyone is on the same page. Slix use to make a shotshell checker that just checked case size. Then they came out with the model that tapers the crimped portion of the shell . It is much larger. If you ammo does not drop FREELY right up to the rim in the new style checker then chances are it won't shuck well. This is the new one. The old one was shorter and was just the knurled section at the base of this one. They bought my original design for the checker that I have been selling since 2010. Lyman even copied it a few years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boggus Deal #64218 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Someone used to offer a steel one that really didn’t check very much of the shell. It was bored straight through. Shot shells are tapered. Mine works on everything up to 3” 12 gauge shells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 i only reload federals but i have two friends that reload remingtons - they have had zero issues with the hulls of the STS or the gunclubs for that matter , they swear by them , im also blessed with a federal source for once fired [some are experimental] hulls , all of mine have been wonderful , but both my friends have picked their hulls off our ranfe , they have had no issues and they swear by them , use them hunting and for trap , not for SASS but im thinking that would not be a big leap if they chose to , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 11 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: You have to define what you mean by this. What new Remington shells? Remington makes all kinds of shells. New manufactured STS, made since the take over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 1 hour ago, Crooked River Pete, SASS 43485 said: New manufactured STS, made since the take over. Same as the old ones. Remingtons are known for having plastic flash around the primer holes. Remington primers are shorter than most other primers so when you reload them the first time with another brand of primer there is often a problem seating them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1058135707 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 Nice to see them back!! Last time I searched a couple months ago,they were unobtanium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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