Sedalia Dave Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Ever found yourself in the middle of a smash-and-grab robbery? It’s an alarming situation, and knowing your rights is crucial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 3 Author Share Posted May 3 This is why I do not open carry. Gives me the option to not use lethal force. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Unless myself and or my wife are threatened I wouldn’t bother drawing my gun. Why? 1. What they’re stealing isn’t mine. I have zero stake in what’s being taken. 2. Stores have insurance. 3. I do not want the death of a dumbassed kid or kids on my conscience. 4. If the d’bags are adults I still wouldn’t shoot one of them. They might have kids at home. It ain’t the kid’s fault his or her parents are scum. 5. The store should have had better security or plans for situations like this. It’s not my job to do their job for them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Depends on the state, if the bg is not armed, quite unlikely. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Smash and grab robbery, by definition, involves running into a store and breaking the display case with a large heavy implement - a hammer or a crowbar or something similar - and stealing the merchandise and running out. You've got the large heavy implement - the hammer or crowbar or something similar. You are armed. Just because you are not carrying a gun does not mean you are not armed. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 (edited) I wouldn't. For basically the same reasons PR stated above. You don't know all the circumstances that prompted the incident. Although drastic, it could be a planned Security Check. Barney Fife did "Trouble Checks" on the diner a few times when he called Juanita. ..........Widder Edited May 3 by Widder, SASS #59054 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 As long as only property is damaged or taken. If he raises his hammer, (or whatever) to threaten a person, maybe. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 26 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Unless myself and or my wife are threatened I wouldn’t bother drawing my gun. Why? 1. What they’re stealing isn’t mine. I have zero stake in what’s being taken. 2. Stores have insurance. 3. I do not want the death of a dumbassed kid or kids on my conscience. 4. If the d’bags are adults I still wouldn’t shoot one of them. They might have kids at home. It ain’t the kid’s fault his or her parents are scum. 5. The store should have had better security or plans for situations like this. It’s not my job to do their job for them. Bingo!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 Pretty much what Pat said. And check your state laws, most state something to the effect that lethal force can only be used when one is in fear of death or grave bodily harm. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 38 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Unless myself and or my wife are threatened I wouldn’t bother drawing my gun. Why? 1. What they’re stealing isn’t mine. I have zero stake in what’s being taken. 2. Stores have insurance. 3. I do not want the death of a dumbassed kid or kids on my conscience. 4. If the d’bags are adults I still wouldn’t shoot one of them. They might have kids at home. It ain’t the kid’s fault his or her parents are scum. 5. The store should have had better security or plans for situations like this. It’s not my job to do their job for them. This ^^^ I'll add - Even a self defense/justified shooting is going to get REAL expensive. I highly doubt that the jewelry (or other) store is going to provide funds for your lawyer...cause you're going to need one, regardless of legality of the shooting, if you shoot someone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 A LARGE PLUS ONE for Pat Riot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 27 minutes ago, Chantry said: Pretty much what Pat said. And check your state laws, most state something to the effect that lethal force can only be used when one is in fear of death or grave bodily harm. Ours includes the line “or in defense of a third party who is in fear of death or great bodily injury” Regards Gateway Kid 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 It can also get technical with things like “the bad guy has smashed, grabbed, and is heading out the door.” In this case nobody’s life is in imminent danger. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 George Floyd, and the huge amount of $$ he generated for other creeps, is proof enough to stand down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: This is why I do not open carry. Gives me the option to not use lethal force. I totally agree. Unless someone's life is in danger I would just try to be a competent witness to the crime. My gun would stay in its holster hidden under my shirt. No one would ever know I was armed. I spent over 12 years in law enforcement and know this would be a nightmare for myself to intervene with a firearm in this situation. Even just brandishing a firearm could get expensive. TM 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Alpo said: Smash and grab robbery, by definition, involves running into a store and breaking the display case with a large heavy implement - a hammer or a crowbar or something similar - and stealing the merchandise and running out. You've got the large heavy implement - the hammer or crowbar or something similar. You are armed. Just because you are not carrying a gun does not mean you are not armed. You're more likely to die from a blunt instrument than from a bullet according to FBI death statistics. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 The question was “Can ?…I”. I had an instructor in Constitutional Law at the police academy. He would be asked questions such as “ Can I arrest a guy who is yada yada yada?” He would answer, “Sure you can. You Can arrest anybody.You have a gun and handcuffs” “But if you do, would it be legal? Will you end up in prison yourself?” Know the law and use your head. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 2 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: You're more likely to die from a blunt instrument than from a bullet according to FBI death statistics. No one will argue that point with you but if the thug is just breaking into cases and not approaching customers then he still is not a threat of life to me. I also feel I have two hands, two feet and a head plus a knife if necessary as weapons at hand, but this still would be a case by case basis and how the threat is presented as to whether it would justify pulling my gun. TM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 I always figured I'd take whoever I cared about that was with me and head out the back door. If that was a no-go for any reason, I'd head for a corner (maybe via the sporting goods, if for some unfathomable reason I wasn't heeled.) Or depending on the store, just head for the work boots. Not much chance a smash-and-grab robber is heading there. But chute 'em? Not unless it was clearly self-defense, for all the good points made by: 4 hours ago, Pat Riot said: 4 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: 4 hours ago, Chantry said: 3 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: 2 hours ago, bgavin said: 11 minutes ago, Texas Maverick said: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted May 4 Share Posted May 4 ny thought is - its a sad thing we have to even contemplate or discuss this , this used to be a law abiding nation for the most part and even criminals once had a code they sorta lived by , but ............to the point , no i dont shoot unless there is immenent threat of great bodily harm or death at the hands of these criminals , the law SHOULD DEAL WITH THEM , but i know its not doing that these days 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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