Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 In 2015, Farmer James Bristle and his neighbor were diligently digging a trench in Lima Township, Michigan, with the purpose of installing a drainage pipe on Bristle's farm. To their surprise, their backhoe struck something solid about eight feet underground. Upon further investigation, they discovered an enormous three-foot-long bone that was clearly much larger than that of a cow. Recognizing the potential significance of their find, Farmer Bristle and his neighbor immediately contacted the University of Michigan Museum of Paleontology, which happened to be just 10 miles away from the field. The museum's team of paleontologists arrived promptly, and Bristle generously allowed them only one day to complete their work, as he needed to resume his drainage project. Working briskly and meticulously, the paleontologists carefully excavated the site. They revealed the remains of a prehistoric mammoth, a species that had roamed North America until their disappearance approximately 12,000 years ago. While Michigan had seen the discovery of remains from 30 other mammoths previously, this particular find was exceptional in its level of preservation. The mammoth's remains, dating back between 12,000 and 15,000 years ago, were identified as those of an adult male who likely lived to be in his 40s before meeting its demise. However, what made this discovery even more intriguing was the evidence of human activity associated with the mammoth's remains. The paleontologists found indications suggesting that ancient humans might have played a role in preserving the mammoth's meat for later use. The theory suggested that the carcass was submerged in a pond, aided by three basketball-sized boulders found near the remains, possibly used to weigh down the carcass. The paleontologists utilized zip lines attached to a backhoe to carefully hoist the mammoth's gigantic skull and tusks. They then placed these impressive specimens onto a flatbed trailer, along with the skeleton's vertebrae, ribs, pelvis, and shoulder blades, before filling in the pit. The discovery shed new light on the ancient history of North America and provided valuable insights into the interactions between prehistoric mammoths and early human populations. Farmer Bristle's accidental find became an invaluable contribution to the scientific understanding of this fascinating era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Oh for crimes sake. Just think of all the Pistol Grips we could get out of those two tusks. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2023 Author Share Posted August 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Oh for crimes sake. Just think of all the Pistol Grips we could get out of those two tusks. Sheesh. Almost enough for my revolvers, then there’s my 1911s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Watch out for those paleo guys! There are some of them who would like to recover the DNA from a mammoth and insert it into an elephant to revive the extinct species! Just imagine having a bunch of those roaming around the North American continent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 10, 2023 Author Share Posted August 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: Watch out for those paleo guys! There are some of them who would like to recover the DNA from a mammoth and insert it into an elephant to revive the extinct species! Just imagine having a bunch of those roaming around the North American continent! Yeah, nobody would let us keep the ivory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Oh for crimes sake. Just think of all the Pistol Grips we could get out of those two tusks. Sheesh. That was my first thought too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Oh for crimes sake. Just think of all the Pistol Grips we could get out of those two tusks. Sheesh. You could make Manlikker stocks out a them rites there! I wonder how that would look? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: Watch out for those paleo guys! There are some of them who would like to recover the DNA from a mammoth and insert it into an elephant to revive the extinct species! Just imagine having a bunch of those roaming around the North American continent! Ooh…Mammoth chops on the grill. Got me a 45-70. Anybody want to share? I figure 8-10 coffin freezers full of meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Maverick Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: Watch out for those paleo guys! There are some of them who would like to recover the DNA from a mammoth and insert it into an elephant to revive the extinct species! Just imagine having a bunch of those roaming around the North American continent! that is what the 45-70 is for and a lot of us cowboys have them. TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a42708517/scientists-reincarnating-woolly-mammoth/ Need a bigger rifle than 45-70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a42708517/scientists-reincarnating-woolly-mammoth/ Need a bigger rifle than 45-70. Why? Don't you know how to place your shots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Why? Don't you know how to place your shots? Sure, but I'll take my 416 Rigby of preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 I don't believe à cute little .45-70 could do the job. My Sharps .50-140 is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 650 grains beats 405 any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said: Watch out for those paleo guys! There are some of them who would like to recover the DNA from a mammoth and insert it into an elephant to revive the extinct species! Just imagine having a bunch of those roaming around the North American continent! And a movie or 3 could be made about that. Oh wait they already have, but that was Dinosaurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 24 minutes ago, Mud Marine,SASS#54686 Life said: 650 grains beats 405 any day. Maybeso, but it doesn't make the list. https://www.fieldandstream.com/story/guns/the-best-dangerous-game-cartridges/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Oh for crimes sake. Just think of all the Pistol Grips we could get out of those two tusks. Sheesh. Would be totally illegal in california. ALL ivory is illegal in this state - the wethers and capons in the capital have made it a crime to possess ivory, including fossilized material from animals long extinct. Gotta protect them woolly mammoths and ancient walruses, don'tcha know! I used to have a small but really cool scrimshawed sperm whale tooth. Legally bought in Lahaina before the law, serialized and registered. Don't have to worry about it, though; alas, it disappeared from my living room during my last move. I hope the cretin who swiped it gets caught and sent to the funny farm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Rip Snorter said: https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a42708517/scientists-reincarnating-woolly-mammoth/ Need a bigger rifle than 45-70. Caveman killed them, using a sharp rock tied to a stick. And you don't think a 45-70 would work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Alpo said: Caveman killed them, using a sharp rock tied to a stick. And you don't think a 45-70 would work? Probably. I was brought up with the phrase "Use enough gun". Clean and humane kill the goal. 25 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Would be totally illegal in california. ALL ivory is illegal in this state - the wethers and capons in the capital have made it a crime to possess ivory, including fossilized material from animals long extinct. Gotta protect them woolly mammoths and ancient walruses, don'tcha know! I used to have a small but really cool scrimshawed sperm whale tooth. Legally bought in Lahaina before the law, serialized and registered. Don't have to worry about it, though; alas, it disappeared from my living room during my last move. I hope the cretin who swiped it gets caught and sent to the funny farm! The stuff probably causes cancer in Cali. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: Probably. I was brought up with the phrase "Use enough gun". Clean and humane kill the goal. The stuff probably causes cancer in Cali. That too, undoubtedly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Over a hundred years ago big game was taken with such things a .303 British, .30 -06 and other "puny" rounds, even 8mm Mannlicher, which is comparable to .35 Remington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 15 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: The stuff probably causes cancer in Cali 'bout the only thing that doesn't is coffee. And that only by court decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Over a hundred years ago big game was taken with such things a .303 British, .30 -06 and other "puny" rounds, even 8mm Mannlicher, which is comparable to .35 Remington. Wasn't there a famous big game hunter in the mid-1900s who took every African big game animal except for either rhinoceros or hippopotamus with 7x57 Mauser? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 257 Mannlicher even. Most don't have that skill level or confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Brasse, SASS #3562 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 You would like to think the guy could have given them a little more time once they found it. Then again you wonder if he gave the find to them? Wonder if it's on your land if you own it? Might be worth seeing if ground penetrating radar etc would tell if there was anything else. Like you said... that's a LOT of grips, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said: 257 Mannlicher even. Most don't have that skill level or confidence. Karamojo Bell or Pondoro Taylor (of no relation to me) IIRC, but there were others. Most used heavier caliber gun for heavy brush situations more than because the game was bigger or more dangerous. Bell killed over a thousand elephants and a lot of smaller game. Taylor was almost that prolific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Wasn't there a famous big game hunter in the mid-1900s who took every African big game animal except for either rhinoceros or hippopotamus with 7x57 Mauser? W.D.M.Bell used a 270 Rigby, which is what the British called a 7x57 Mauser, using the 1893 pattern standard military 172.8 grain round-nosed full metal jacket load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 6 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Over a hundred years ago big game was taken with such things a .303 British, .30 -06 and other "puny" rounds, even 8mm Mannlicher, which is comparable to .35 Remington. "Over a hundred years ago...?" Hey, now! I knew LOTS o' guys who hunted with them calibers during MY lifetime (meself included)! Now, I'm old, but I ain't THAT old! So remember Roy Chapman Andrews? He of dino hunting fame in Mongolia back during the 1920's... his favored rifles were Savage 99's and later the venerable Savage Model 20, chambered in .250-3000 ("Two-Fifty Savage"). Many say he was the inspiration for Indiana Jones.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Actually I couldn’t kill an animal like a mammoth or an elephant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Pat Riot said: Actually I couldn’t kill an animal like a mammoth or an elephant. I want a pet mammoth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 7 minutes ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said: I want a pet mammoth! O.K., Ryder (In parent mindset), but you have to feed him and pick up after him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: "Over a hundred years ago...?" Hey, now! I knew LOTS o' guys who hunted with them calibers during MY lifetime (meself included)! Now, I'm old, but I ain't THAT old! So remember Roy Chapman Andrews? He of dino hunting fame in Mongolia back during the 1920's... his favored rifles were Savage 99's and later the venerable Savage Model 20, chambered in .250-300 ("Two-Fifty Savage"). Many say he was the inspiration for Indiana Jones.... Shouldn't that be .250-3000? Sorry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Rip Snorter said: O.K., Ryder (In parent mindset), but you have to feed him and pick up after him! Yes Dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Shouldn't that be .250-3000? Sorry! Yup! It was challenging typing that with Sherwin, the overly affectionate black, black, BLACK cat crawling about my head and lap, demanding attention. She's so black she can hardly be photographed! Sweet, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Is this Sherwin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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