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So I'm thinking I'd like to get a Sharps, maybe a CSharps or Pedersoli, can't justify the money for a Shiloh. 45-70  I could use smokeless if I wanted or 45-90 and just go black. I'd use it for long range cowboy shoots. I've never loaded or shot black before, but it does keep calling me. Am I going to regret the having to blow out the barrel after every shot? I know people say cleaning  up after black is actually easier. Any words of wisdom?

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Shiloh makes everything on their rifles, except for the wood.

The wood comes from Missouri.

.45-70 would be a good learning caliber.

Don't go cheap on the sights. Soule type are the best.

I shoot .45-70 and .45-90 Shiloh 74's

I only load real BP and cast my own bullets.

You should read over this forum and join up.

http://www.shilohrifle.com/forums/

 

OLG

 

 

 

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I say get the Shiloh. Yeah it’s a bit more, but if you’re not getting it only because it cost more, you’ll regret it and someday end up getting it anyway. This is something I know all too well. The best idea is to place that sharps order tomorrow. It’ll be a $250 deposit. Then see if you can find a fairly cheap used pedersoli or look into a csharps 1875. Use that rifle to cut your teeth with learning to develop a load. Then in 2years or so when the Shiloh is ready you can sell that rifle to someone like you looking to start and you’ll be a step ahead of the game. 

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13 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

For target work-I suggest a Shiloh #1 with SG stock.

Pretty hard to beat MVA Soule sights w/Hadley eye-cup.

https://shilohrifle.com/

 

OLG

Don’t listen to Lumpy. Get a number 3, upgraded wood, and military stock. It’s so much prettier, and that’s what really matters haha. Can’t go wrong with the MVA sights

 

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Don't listen to that kid in the corner.....:lol:

You want the #1 for the pistol grip stock that helps in recoil-torque control and the cheek rest is oh so nice when you crank up the rear sight for long range. ;)

A #1 with a heavy 30" barrel is hard to beat on the range or in the field.

OLG

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24 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

Don't listen to that kid in the corner.....:lol:

You want the #1 for the pistol grip stock that helps in recoil-torque control and the cheek rest is oh so nice when you crank up the rear sight for long range. ;)

A #1 with a heavy 30" barrel is hard to beat on the range or in the field.

OLG

But it’s not as pretty

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Don't bother listening to either of them... get a Long Range Express...  

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Do you ever thing you might want to shoot something besides "long range" side matches at cowboy shoots.   Find out about any rules that may affect the rifle specs you want to get.  As shipped, my rifle came within <1 oz. of being over the weight limit for NRA BPCR.  It's passed, every time I attended the Nationals... but I've held my breath when it t'was on the scale.  It's a good thing I had them only build it with a 30" barrel, instead of the regular 34" that comes on the LRE.

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Good morning,

45/70 is the perfect starter round for shooting longer ranges. That being said it will perform very well out to 1000 yards.  You will get much more out of the round loading real BP versus smokeless.  With BP you will not have to use a blow tube or clean between shots when doing cowboy long range 5 round speed side matches. Around my area most long range side matches are 5 shot sprints at 200 or 300 yards. If you have other questions feel free to pm me. 

 

Gringo

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Six shots at around 300 yards at our club. Others are 100 to 150. Also fun.

 

And a Pedersoli will do that just dandy.

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My first Sharps was a Pedersoli in 45-70. It’s one of the few guns I regret selling, but it turned a good profit. It was a great shooter. Every bit as accurate as either of my Shilohs. 

 

45-70 is a great cartridge for your first Sharps. Lots of data to draw from. 

 

Black powder is WAY more fun than the new dangled stuff. 

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I was in the same situation a couple years ago. Bought a new Pedersoli in 45-70 at Cabelas. It was on sale at the time, just under $1,000. Spent another $300 or so for a Lee Shaver soul sight. If money wasn't a concern I would have gone with a Shiloh. But at least for me money is a concern and the extra couple thousand dollars isn't something I could justify for a side-match rifle. I am very happy with the Pedersoli.  I use black powder substitutes. Most side matches don't shoot more than 10 rounds. I don't blow down the barrel or clean between shots. I have shot matches on steel buffaloes out to 800 yards. I've placed in several, including a regional. Never had a concern that the Pedersoli wasn't good enough. Its still one of the nicest rifles I own. I would make sure you get a quality set of sights. Cleanup after is easy. I agree with what you have heard, that black powder cleanup is easier than smokeless. Luckily my wife only gets mildly annoyed when I use the bathtub to clean that long barrel.  

 

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Glad to hear you are getting hooked on long range, Bob.  Jackpine said to be on the lookout for a rifle for you.  A Pedersoli or C. Sharps would suffice.  Also a Highwall or Rolling Block will work if you're not totally sold on the Sharps style.  

 

I shoot black powder & have gone to wiping the bore after each shot.  Wiping is more consistent than the blow tube.  Temperature, humidity & your breath can vary where a wet patch doesn't.  I run two Ballistol/water mix patches through the bore after each shot, retaining the second for the first wipe next shot.  Fouling is kept soft & to a minimum.  Cleanup is a snap with a vinegar Windex/water solution.  Dry & lube the bore - done.  

 

Also, there is nothing wrong with the less expensive Pedersoli Soule tang or Lyman Globe front sights.  

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Long Range Cowboy shoots is sort of an oxymoron. The majority are 100 yard speed rifle shoots due to range limitations. Scored most hits in the least amount of time.

I've been shooting a 45-70 Pedersoli Sharps for 12 years. If I do my job it will shoot as good or better than any Shiloh, C-Sharps etc.  Pretty wood, bluing, engraving and the action have no affect on the accuracy of the gun. The barrel does. And Pedersoli uses high quality barrels.

45-70 offers up the best selection of bullets, brass, dies etc. And recoil is more acceptable. They will shoot out to whatever you have sights for.

I shoot real BP and have never tried smokeless so I have nothing to offer there. Other than those that shoot both do say the recoil is less with BP.

Invest in good sights and make sure you get the longest/tallest one the vendor makes.

Ike

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Thanks for all the responses, I'm not new to cowboy long range, I've got a Highwall in 38-55 and a 94 Winchester in the same and I've done pretty well with them, using smokeless, just have an itch for a Sharps. When Quiqley Down Under came out I bought an IAB because I didn't know any better. We typically shoot out to 300 yds at most of the clubs/ranges, but shoot 500 meters at Winter Range , 575 yds at Enderlin and some unknown distance + or - 775 at Hell On Wheels and shoot 10 shots at all except HOW. I never thought about NRA BPCR, but that would be fun. 

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2 hours ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:

Long Range Cowboy shoots is sort of an oxymoron. The majority are 100 yard speed rifle shoots due to range limitations. Scored most hits in the least amount of time.

I've been shooting a 45-70 Pedersoli Sharps for 12 years. If I do my job it will shoot as good or better than any Shiloh, C-Sharps etc.  Pretty wood, bluing, engraving and the action have no affect on the accuracy of the gun. The barrel does. And Pedersoli uses high quality barrels.

45-70 offers up the best selection of bullets, brass, dies etc. And recoil is more acceptable. They will shoot out to whatever you have sights for.

I shoot real BP and have never tried smokeless so I have nothing to offer there. Other than those that shoot both do say the recoil is less with BP.

Invest in good sights and make sure you get the longest/tallest one the vendor makes.

Ike

I completely disagree with that statement. Everyone knows pretty guns shoot much better. If it weren't true, then everyone would have the exact same guns and not spend money on grips, engraving, wood upgrades, case coloring or nickel finishes, etc. That's my story and I am sticking to it.

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I'm enjoying m Shiloh Sharps 45-70.  MVA sights.  So far have only shot smokeless (5744 powder)  but figure to try BP at some point.  

 

I gt lucky and bought a 2nd hand but never fired 2002 model for less than a new Pedersoli would have cost.  Very nice rifle.  

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18 hours ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said:

Haha BCB, I've been craving an 1885 High Wall... yes, black. lol

They are very nice…From the 70 to the 120….And one in the middle…

 

Texas Lizard

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20 hours ago, Boulder Canyon Bob# 32052L said:

So I'm thinking I'd like to get a Sharps, maybe a CSharps or Pedersoli, can't justify the money for a Shiloh. 45-70  I could use smokeless if I wanted or 45-90 and just go black. I'd use it for long range cowboy shoots. I've never loaded or shot black before, but it does keep calling me. Am I going to regret the having to blow out the barrel after every shot? I know people say cleaning  up after black is actually easier. Any words of wisdom?

See the remarks, esp. by  Driftwood Johnson, in this post.

 

 

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If you don't mind the recoil get the 45-70. I have a Shilo #1 in 45-70. Love the Rifle. 

The older I get the more recoil sensitive  it seems I am getting.

If you are going to use it for target shooting only I would get a 40-65 . It will do everything the 45-70 will do.

A lot less shoulder pain.

My 45-70 load is 73 grs of Swiss 1 1/2 with a .060 vegetable  wad with a 500 gr Bullet.  Its a thumper very accurate thou.

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34 minutes ago, Bailey Creek,5759 said:

If you don't mind the recoil get the 45-70. I have a Shilo #1 in 45-70. Love the Rifle. 

The older I get the more recoil sensitive  it seems I am getting.

If you are going to use it for target shooting only I would get a 40-65 . It will do everything the 45-70 will do.

A lot less shoulder pain.

My 45-70 load is 73 grs of Swiss 1 1/2 with a .060 vegetable  wad with a 500 gr Bullet.  Its a thumper very accurate thou.

 

You should give one of these a try.

They really work......

http://www.shootersfriend.com/

 

I do not feel the .40-65 is a good choice for a newbie BPCR shooter.

I have seen them to be very load picky.......

.45-70 is far more forgiving in the learning curve.

 

OLG

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2 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

 

You should give one of these a try.

They really work......

http://www.shootersfriend.com/

 

I do not feel the .40-65 is a good choice for a newbie BPCR shooter.

I have seen them to be very load picky.......

.45-70 is far more forgiving in the learning curve.

 

OLG

Again, what is up with you and making your Shiloh ugly? By the way, do you have the pink one?;):lol:

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1 minute ago, El Hombre Sin Nombre said:

Again, what is up with you and making your Shiloh ugly? By the way, do you have the pink one?;):lol:

:lol:

It's a slip on recoil pad-and YES, I do use the pink one. ^_^

That way, no one wants to borrow it........:P

You really don't want to see the case we carry our Sharps in either..............:lol::D:P

OLG

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When I talked to Shiloh awhile back, they recommended getting a 30 in barrel that was half round to stay under weight.  Is that recommended?  Going to order my rifle soon.  How can you make sure you are under weight with a 45-70?

Thanks

BB

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1 hour ago, Barbwire Bill, SASS #661 said:

When I talked to Shiloh awhile back, they recommended getting a 30 in barrel that was half round to stay under weight.  Is that recommended?  Going to order my rifle soon.  How can you make sure you are under weight with a 45-70?

Thanks

BB

Mine is full octagon 30” barrel and plenty of weight to spare. When you order, let them know the weight is a priority, they’ll make it happen. There are other ways to make weight, in particular with different wood density. 

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7 hours ago, Barbwire Bill, SASS #661 said:

When I talked to Shiloh awhile back, they recommended getting a 30 in barrel that was half round to stay under weight.  Is that recommended?  Going to order my rifle soon.  How can you make sure you are under weight with a 45-70?

Thanks

BB

Listen to Shiloh. 

When you call, ask for Kirk or Lucinda.

https://shilohrifle.com/

Call and ask for a catalog..........

The catalog has lots of tips to make sure the rifle will make weight.

OLG

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Mine is a full octagon, but in a 40 caliber... leaves a bit more metal in the barrel that a .45.  I also got XXXFancy Walnut... a little more weight there.  But... I bought my rifle for hunting, not for competition, I just lucked in the 1 oz below max!

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The NRA rules limit you to under 15 lbs, are your guns that heavy?

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6 hours ago, Boulder Canyon Bob# 32052L said:

The NRA rules limit you to under 15 lbs, are your guns that heavy?

NRA BPCR Silhouette only allows:

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3.4 Black Powder Cartridge Rifle - A hunting or military style rifle,
single shot, originally made for black powder cartridges, of United States
manufacture prior to 1896 and being typical of the era. Replicas thereof,
regardless of origin of manufacture, are permitted. Hammer must be exposed.
If replacement barrels, stocks, or other parts are used, they must be as original.
No Schuetzen-style rifles permitted. One rifle will be used during all phases
of the match. Examples of permissible rifles are: Ballard, Buck, Bullard,
Cole, Farrow, Maynard, Peabody, Redfield, Remington Hepburn, Remington
Rolling Block, Sharps, Springfield Trapdoor, Stevens Tip-up, Stevens No. 44,
Wesson Falling Block, Wesson (hinged barrel), Whitney Phoenix, Whitney
Rolling Block, Winchester 1885, and Wurfflein. While the following single
shot actions may not conform to the exact criteria of Rule 3.4, they are allowed
because they conform to the spirit of the competition in form and function, provided
the firearms conform to all other configurations of Rule 3.4: Browning
Model 1878, Browning Model 1885, C. Sharps ‘75, Falling Block Works,
Stevens 44 1/2 and Wickliff ‘76. Replicas other than exact reproductions of
pre-1896 Black Powder actions as described above and shooting equipment as
described herein, must be passed by the Silhouette Committee with the advice
of the Black Powder Committee. It shall be the competitor’s responsibility to
provide any documentation which may be required to establish that all Black
Powder Cartridge Rifle equipment conforms to these rules.
(a) Maximum weight 12 pounds, 2 ounces.

Emphasis added.

 

NRA Black Powder "Target" rifles are a whole 'nuther animal.  Doesn't require breechoading rifles... 

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Well I have two .38-55s and a .45-70 ,,, but for 95% of my longrange  use I choose my .40-65 Uberti Highwall ....

My .40-65 likes to have well made bullets, properly cast with-out voids or damaged bases ,,,, but as to loads it seems to like about ANY suitable powder just fine ...

I use a 370 grain spritzer ( Bullet Barn ) or cast my own from a "Lyman " mould that casts a 420 grain RNFP. Bullet ...

I have used this rifle out past the 1,300 yard mark ....

When I get serious about reaching out a touching things away out there I default to the .40-65 ....

 

For fun shooting out to 300 + yards , and introducing kids and Ladies to longrange I have a lowwall in .38-40...

6 ladies and a  10, 11 and 13 kid fired 3 rounds each at 300 yards with this rifle with only one miss ...in total ...

 

Jabez Cowboy 

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1 hour ago, Griff said:

NRA BPCR Silhouette only allows:

Emphasis added.

 

NRA Black Powder "Target" rifles are a whole 'nuther animal.  Doesn't require breechoading rifles... 

AH! My bad, this what I saw in a quick search. Thanks.

(b) The rifl e, including all attachments such as, but not limited to slings and sights, shall not weigh more than 15 pounds unloaded

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47 minutes ago, Boulder Canyon Bob# 32052L said:

AH! My bad, this what I saw in a quick search. Thanks.

(b) The rifl e, including all attachments such as, but not limited to slings and sights, shall not weigh more than 15 pounds unloaded

Yep, that's the rule for Black Powder "Target" rifle competition.

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