Tequila Shooter Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I'm thinking of loading BP sub in .45 Colt cartridge and 12 ga shotshell. I've been reading up including http://www.curtrich.com/bpsubsdummies.html but I'm still not clear about shotshell. Can I use a wad? Or do I have to use cards to separate powder from wad and shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 BP or subs I use an overpowder card from Circle Fly in PA, then a cut down plastic shot wad. on top of that to hold the shot. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward R S Canby, SASS#59971 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 PM me with your e-mail message and I will send you Hodgdon's load info for their subs in shotgun shells. I use a plastic wad and do get melted plastic in my barrel that is easily removed during cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Plastic wads work just fine. The plastic residue in the barrels cleans out easily, and I’m sure we will get a list of a dozen different ways to do it and they all work. Real blackpowder and the substitutes are forgiving; you can tweak the powder and shot volumes to get a good solid crimp. My 12 gauge recipe: 2.5 cc dipper of 2F powder (doesn’t make any difference, I’ve used them all) which is about 38 “grains”, white Claybuster wad, 1 ounce of shot. Hulls with 8-point crimp shuck better for me than six point crimps, so mostly I Shoot Remington STS hulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 I use APP with plastic wads. No problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Load these on both a MEC 600jr and a MEC 76 series Grabber My favirite load is 12 Ga Rem Gun Club or Federal Top Gun hull Primer of choice Claybuster CB0178-12 Wad 35 grains by WEIGHT of 3F APP Approx 7/8 oz of shot Until I use up all the 2F app I have: 12 Ga Rem Gun Club or Federal Top Gun hull Primer of choice Claybuster CB1100-12 Wad 40 grains by WEIGHT of 2F APP Approx 7/8 oz of shot Shot weights are approximate. I have an adjustable charge bar and adjust the shot charge to give me the perfect stack height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted June 3, 2019 Author Share Posted June 3, 2019 After reading the curtrich article I'm thinking of using American Pioneer Powder 3F because then I can use the Hi Tek bullets that I already have for the .45 Colt. Am I correct or won't that work? Also I can use the same powder for the shotshells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 Yes APP 3F can be used in both cartridges and shot shells. I shoot it it with Hi-Tek coated bullets with no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 BTT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 TC - go over to Sportsman's Warehouse and buy the Black MZ sub. Should be about $10 a bottle. Shoots fine with Hi-tec coated bullets and plastic wads in shotshells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I use 2f in everything, 12 g, 44-40, cap and ball. Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted June 4, 2019 Author Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Chief Rick said: TC - go over to Sportsman's Warehouse and buy the Black MZ sub. Should be about $10 a bottle. Shoots fine with Hi-tec coated bullets and plastic wads in shotshells. Rick - I've heard that MZ smells terrible which is why I didn't mention it. Also from what I was able to see it looked closer to FF than FFF and I was trying to find something that would meter well in the 650. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Shot Cowboy Goex in shotgun for years. Later the change to Triple Seven 3f...now 2f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, Tequila Chase said: Rick - I've heard that MZ smells terrible which is why I didn't mention it. Also from what I was able to see it looked closer to FF than FFF and I was trying to find something that would meter well in the 650. It is corse. I would not try to meter it through my 550 - I hand dip. But that's a small price to pay for the cost of Black MZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still hand Bill Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Around here everyone figured out Black MZ was a steal and it sold out. Going to work up loads of Blackhorn 209 once I run out of black mz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Still hand Bill said: Around here everyone figured out Black MZ was a steal and it sold out. Going to work up loads of Blackhorn 209 once I run out of black mz. @Still hand Bill Blackhorn 209 is not legal for use in SASS. It is considered a duplex powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 Well ...... Golly Gosh. I have been running APP, both 2f and 3f for many seasons. No problems. For the shotgun, All Brass 12Ga Hulls, 45Gr 2f APP, Nitro over powder card, 10Ga Plastic wad w/Petals cut for a 1 Oz load ..... PRESTO. There is no point in working up loads for Blackhorn 209. At least not for SASS. Blackhorn 209 is NOT LEGAL for SASS. Don't sweat the smell of Black MZ. Remember, your looking for Propellant. Not Perfume. A little dab'll du ya!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 29 minutes ago, Still hand Bill said: Around here everyone figured out Black MZ was a steal and it sold out. Going to work up loads of Blackhorn 209 once I run out of black mz. Besides, Blackhorn 209 is gowd awful expensive. If I couldn't get BlackMZ, I'd use Grafs Reenactor. Cheapest black powder available to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted June 4, 2019 Share Posted June 4, 2019 I use triple 7 2f in my 38s loaded on a Dillon 650. 2f or 3f BP in my 44s (those get dipped) Shotshells I use 2f BP but am currently using up a few pounds of pyrodex that I bought cheap. I use a 3.1cc dipper of black or a MEC 39 bushing of Pyrodex with a Winchester white wad and 1 oz of shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I use all brass hulls and use 11ga card & fiber wads from Buffalo Arms with APP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker McNeely Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 BP shotshell info this is has been a good source of info also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, Tucker McNeely said: BP shotshell info this is has been a good source of info also. Thanks, interesting read! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucker McNeely Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 You are most welcome. I am sure I got it here on the wire at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 I found that plastic wads work well with all subs and real black powder. They are easier to load than card winds. It is easy to clean the plastic residue. Most important, they throw much better patterns than the card wads. More shot pellets on steel makes the knock downs go down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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