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How to get more noise from my 10 gauge BP loads

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I know this may sound silly, but I recently bought a NEF 10 gauge single barrel with a 36 inch full choke barrel. I am loading brass shells with real BP to the tune of 1 3/4 OBV square loads with Graf Reenactor, Federal magnum large pistol primers. BP, 9 gauge nitro card, shot, overshot card, fill shell to top with un-popped popcorn (about 3/8 inch) another overshot card and secure in place with waterglass. This is roughly twice the volume BP that I load my 12 gauge brass shells with but I am not getting much increase in BOOM or fire out the end of the barrel, not much different from the 12 gauge.  That is really what I bought the 10 gauge for. The AWE factor !! So my question is for the BP community, any suggestions for modifications to my current setup to achieve my goals. Should I shorten the barrel, finer grain (2F)  ???? Thank you !!

 

Graywolf

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I think adding  Magnesium would get you much for flash ? 

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Let me understand you right - yer asking how to make your rounds louder?

 

Phantom

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Find a nice enclosed facade. It'll be plenty loud. Cut the barrel down to 18-20 inches and the flame should be more impressive. Have you shot the 10 gauge in low light conditions.  

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14 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

Let me understand you right - yer asking how to make your rounds louder?

 

Phantom

Correct, while staying within safe (not blow my gun up) limits. I have loaded up to 2 1/4 OBV square loads but the pattern started to doughnut and recoil got kinda stout.

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Use reenacter or Harzer (Schutzen) powder They are coarser grained and more of the ignition takes place outside the muzzle.

 I have been able to get over 6' of flame close to 8" in diameter from a 44-40 carbine. The picture of it was on the Memphisgunslingers from 2 years ago at the regional.

kR

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4 minutes ago, Graywolf Tate said:

Correct, while staying within safe (not blow my gun up) limits. I have loaded up to 2 1/4 OBV square loads but the pattern started to doughnut and recoil got kinda stout.

I can appreciate the desire for the fun and laughs of a very loud round, but do you know what that does to the TO's and spotters ears?

 

Not trying to be Mr. Downer here, but ya gotta think about that. If you have enclosed stages or particularly metal roofs, these funny/cool/etc rounds are deafening.

 

Phantom

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10 minutes ago, Assassin said:

Find a nice enclosed facade. It'll be plenty loud. Cut the barrel down to 18-20 inches and the flame should be more impressive. Have you shot the 10 gauge in low light conditions.  

Assassin, I have not shot it in low light yet, I imagine it will be more impressive. Enclosed on 3 side stage today did not have anyone running for the exterior or griping about the blast. Is it unreasonable to expect chest-thumping percussion from this set-up?

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Just skip your heating protection

what hearing I have left I would like to keep 

I really don't want to shoot with you

Save the big noise makers for when you are at the range by yourself 

CATLOW 

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2 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

I can appreciate the desire for the fun and laughs of a very load round, but do you know what that does to the TO's and spotters ears?

 

Not trying to be Mr. Downer here, but ya gotta think about that. If you have enclosed stages or particularly metal roofs, these funny/cool/etc rounds are deafening.

 

Phantom

I appreciate the tenor of your reply but nothing more than it would affect mine since we wear hearing protection. No offense meant.

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Just now, Graywolf Tate said:

I appreciate the tenor of your reply but nothing more than it would affect mine since we wear hearing protection. No offense meant.

That's your ears and your choice...that you are forcing on others.

 

Please reconsider your thoughts on this.

 

Phantom

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Maybe we should all just start shooting .22’s so that we don’t offend anyone’s hearing?

 

To the op, before you go too crazy spending a lot of time and effort playing around with your loads, try plastic shells first. I have a 10 gauge greener that I use more than twice the powder I use in my 12 gauge and the 12 seems louder. I think it’s the brass shells combined with felt wads. I don’t know for certain, as I’m not a rocket scientist, nor a sound specialist. It’s just a theory of mine. Oh and what does OBV mean? 

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4 hours ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said:

I think adding  Magnesium would get you much for flash ? 

 

If shooters persist in using anything other than powder, wads, inert fillers, and shot in their loads (e.g. pyrotechnic additives), don't be surprised if SASS decides to address the issue as a SAFETY concern in the near future.

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ABSOULTLY! I have some horror stories about some of these "Self made Pyros" that think they know what they are doing..... but don't. 

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2 minutes ago, Redwood Kid said:

Maybe we should all just start shooting .22’s so that we don’t offend anyone’s hearing?

 

To the op, before you go too crazy spending a lot of time and effort playing around with your loads, try plastic shells first. I have a 10 gauge greener that I use more than twice the powder I use in my 12 gauge and the 12 seems louder. I think it’s the brass shells combined with felt wads. I don’t know for certain, as I’m not a rocket scientist, nor a sound specialist. It’s just a theory of mine. Oh and what does OBV mean? 

Ounces by volume, I use an antique adjustable dipper to throw my charges. Same setting for both powder and shot.

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Nothing but real black powder and organic wads in my brass shells.  No chalk, glitter or anything else. I don't want fireworks. Just a real honest-to-goodness period correct black powder 10 gauge load.

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7 minutes ago, Graywolf Tate said:

Ounces by volume, I use an antique adjustable dipper to throw my charges. Same setting for both powder and shot.

Gotcha. I measure by drams or grains. Never heard of ounces by volume 

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My dipper has both ounces and drams marked. I like the old tools and ways of loading BP.

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14 minutes ago, Graywolf Tate said:

 Just a real honest-to-goodness period correct black powder 10 gauge load.

 

And that is what your current loads are. 

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1 hour ago, Redwood Kid said:

Maybe we should all just start shooting .22’s so that we don’t offend anyone’s hearing?

 

To the op, before you go too crazy spending a lot of time and effort playing around with your loads, try plastic shells first. I have a 10 gauge greener that I use more than twice the powder I use in my 12 gauge and the 12 seems louder. I think it’s the brass shells combined with felt wads. I don’t know for certain, as I’m not a rocket scientist, nor a sound specialist. It’s just a theory of mine. Oh and what does OBV mean? 

So that's what it is...

 

Well since I've been lucky enough to have to wear hearing aids since I was 34...have profound hearing loss, I'd like to keep what I have. I wear $9000 hearing aids that allow me to function well at matches...but can get pretty nasty when in a stage that has metal lids...but I guess to you, being concerned about this is just being a little cry baby.

 

With these kind of attitudes, time and spot for yerself!

 

Phantom

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31 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

And that is what your current loads are. 

I am currently looking for data from that time frame (late 1880-1900), would you please direct me to where you found your load data?

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17 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

So that's what it is...

 

Well since I've been lucky enough to have to wear hearing aids since I was 34...have profound hearing loss, I'd like to keep what I have. I wear $9000 hearing aids that allow me to function well at matches...but can get pretty nasty when in a stage that has metal lids...but I guess to you, being concerned about this is just being a little cry baby.

 

With these kind of attitudes, time and spot for yerself!

 

Phantom

I’ve had hearing loss in my right ear since I was 24, courtesy of my service to Uncle Sam. My point is that this is a game with a certain amount of risk involved. The guy is not asking for a canon, which some folks do want to light off at matches often times without warning. He wants his 10 gauge to sound like his 12 gauge, which should be perfectly fine with everyone involved. 

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I would think a shorter barrel would increase the boom and flames.

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1 hour ago, Redwood Kid said:

I’ve had hearing loss in my right ear since I was 24, courtesy of my service to Uncle Sam. My point is that this is a game with a certain amount of risk involved. The guy is not asking for a canon, which some folks do want to light off at matches often times without warning. He wants his 10 gauge to sound like his 12 gauge, which should be perfectly fine with everyone involved. 

I understand and accept risk all the time. But when someone is looking to make their 10 gauge louder for the sake of making it louder is.... Trying to choose my words here carefully... Showing close to total disregard for their fellow shooters. 

 

Smoke and flame is one thing. Trying to make one's rounds, that are probably already loud, louder is another.

 

Phantom

 

PS: he said he's not get "much increase" in boom over his 12ga... Try a steady diet as TO of full house BP 12ga in stages with roofs... And he wants more ... Wow.

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3 hours ago, Graywolf Tate said:

I know this may sound silly, but I recently bought a NEF 10 gauge single barrel with a 36 inch full choke barrel. I am loading brass shells with real BP to the tune of 1 3/4 OBV square loads with Graf Reenactor, Federal magnum large pistol primers. BP, 9 gauge nitro card, shot, overshot card, fill shell to top with un-popped popcorn (about 3/8 inch) another overshot card and secure in place with waterglass. This is roughly twice the volume BP that I load my 12 gauge brass shells with but I am not getting much increase in BOOM or fire out the end of the barrel, not much different from the 12 gauge.  That is really what I bought the 10 gauge for. The AWE factor !! So my question is for the BP community, any suggestions for modifications to my current setup to achieve my goals. Should I shorten the barrel, finer grain (2F)  ???? Thank you !!

 

Graywolf

Just don’t 

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I'm of no help of how to make your rounds louder. However there's several decibel meter apps available for free. I'd think that would be helpful in load development at least. As for those who think it's rude of you to make your rounds louder I have to sit here and just laugh. I'm a BP shooter for a reason. The boom from black powder rounds dont hurt my ears nearly as badly as that whistle from smokeless .357/.38 rounds. It's a pitch thing for me with or without hearing protection certain tones bother me. Maybe if I ask all of those guys to take my feelings into consideration and switch over to larger calibers. 

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53 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said:

I understand and accept risk all the time. But when someone is looking to make their 10 gauge louder for the sake of making it louder is.... Trying to choose my words here carefully... Showing close to total disregard for their fellow shooters. 

 

Smoke and flame is one thing. Trying to make one's rounds, that are probably already loud, louder is another.

 

Phantom

 

PS: he said he's not get "much increase" in boom over his 12ga... Try a steady diet as TO of full house BP 12ga in stages with roofs... And he wants more ... Wow.

 You don't know me and I would hazard that were we having this conversation face to face that your attitude and verbiage would be lessened.  I am allergic to shrimp. If I go to a seafood restaurant, I do not have the right to demand that they not serve shrimp. While I feel for you and your medical condition, you do not have the right to ask me to shoot less than full power loads. Yes, I want more and it is okay. I have broken no SASS rules.  As for showing close to total disregard to my fellow shooters, your words, we are allowed leeway by our governing body as to no less/no more velocities and power factor. If I choose to go to the high end and someone else chooses low, then no harm/no foul, but we BOTH have the freedom to choose. As to serving as a TO with full house BP loads, did it today. Love the smoke or no smoke and the flame or no flame and the crack or the BOOM.  If you cannot enjoy that, then I feel sorry for you. I hope one day to meet you, talk with you and perhaps even shoot with you.

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51 minutes ago, Turkey Flats Jack said:

I'm of no help of how to make your rounds louder. However there's several decibel meter apps available for free. I'd think that would be helpful in load development at least. As for those who think it's rude of you to make your rounds louder I have to sit here and just laugh. I'm a BP shooter for a reason. The boom from black powder rounds dont hurt my ears nearly as badly as that whistle from smokeless .357/.38 rounds. It's a pitch thing for me with or without hearing protection certain tones bother me. Maybe if I ask all of those guys to take my feelings into consideration and switch over to larger calibers. 

A decibel meter app, that might be just the thing. What a great idea !!  Thank you for this suggestion !!

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Something I have found loading 12g with GOEX 2F is I get more BANG when using plastic shells with a folded crimp than when using brass shells with a glued in over shot card. No reason to think the 10g would be different. I also use one notch more shot than powder when using my old adjustable shotgun measure.

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You may find that a lot of the powder you are putting in may be blown out of the gun, unburnt, already - so additional powder will not accomplish anything.

 

Now, are we shooting raw popcorn IN PLACE of lead shot, or are we putting the popcorn on top of the lead shot?

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I've have been a TO to a shooter who has a short barrel 10 ga. who really like his SxS  to go boom. Even standing three ft away to the side with hearing protection it hurt my ears!!! It may be cool to you having a " BIG " boom not so much for other people.

 

STAY away for using Magnesium . Sure it will give you sparks but you can start a fire.  And it there is some wind blowing the wrong way sparks could hit a fellow shooter. The sparks could burn holes in their clothes or land on their skin and your fellow shooters will not be very happy .

 

Nawlins

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Sometimes we have to ask ourselves if we should ,just because we can. I'm deaf, Im not a great TO, Im not even a great shooter. I do this because I want to, I dont get to do everything I want to, for good reasons.

 

Imis

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10 hours ago, Turkey Flats Jack said:

I'm of no help of how to make your rounds louder. However there's several decibel meter apps available for free. I'd think that would be helpful in load development at least. As for those who think it's rude of you to make your rounds louder I have to sit here and just laugh. I'm a BP shooter for a reason. The boom from black powder rounds dont hurt my ears nearly as badly as that whistle from smokeless .357/.38 rounds. It's a pitch thing for me with or without hearing protection certain tones bother me. Maybe if I ask all of those guys to take my feelings into consideration and switch over to larger calibers. 

Laugh...????

 

That's sad.

 

I guess if that attitude makes you feel like a tough and rough cowboy ... Afterall, it is all about you.

 

Phantom

 

PS: Again this is not about shooting BP (That's what I do), nor about shooting rounds that are loud. It's about searching for ways to go to an extreme. That's nothing but selfish.

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9 hours ago, Graywolf Tate said:

 You don't know me and I would hazard that were we having this conversation face to face that your attitude and verbiage would be lessened.  I am allergic to shrimp. If I go to a seafood restaurant, I do not have the right to demand that they not serve shrimp. While I feel for you and your medical condition, you do not have the right to ask me to shoot less than full power loads. Yes, I want more and it is okay. I have broken no SASS rules.  As for showing close to total disregard to my fellow shooters, your words, we are allowed leeway by our governing body as to no less/no more velocities and power factor. If I choose to go to the high end and someone else chooses low, then no harm/no foul, but we BOTH have the freedom to choose. As to serving as a TO with full house BP loads, did it today. Love the smoke or no smoke and the flame or no flame and the crack or the BOOM.  If you cannot enjoy that, then I feel sorry for you. I hope one day to meet you, talk with you and perhaps even shoot with you.

:lol:

Oh Greywolf Tate, trust me, I'd be saying the same thing using the same words if we were face to face ... Besides, I see no words that I've used which should have upset you.

 

Here we have an example of where someone wants to do something that while legal, might not be something that should be done. 

 

So when others state their opinion that it shouldn't be done, they get attacked. Valid arguments be damned! And we start hearing (no pun intended), statements about how if we don't like it that we somehow are just trolls/wimps/keyboard commandos/etc. That if we don't have something nice to add that we should simply pass on the thread... Kinda like an emperor has no clothes kind of philosophy.

 

Phantom

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