Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 For those of you who were unaware, there are a lot of folks who collect pins from various things. Just look at folks walking around Disney collecting and trading pins with folks. I always look forward to some of the SASS Blackpowder Shootout pins that come out each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Pale Ale Rider used back powder ammo at the first Carolina Wild Bunch Shootout which was two years ago. It was the first time I had seen a 1911 running black powder; it ran without a hitch. Lots of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Kid Rich and Shirttale Bess shoot wild bunch with black powder too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Shooting black powder out of a 1911 makes John M Browning spin in his grave. The horror! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Bill Carson shoots WB. When they ask him which category, he answers, "Frontier Cartridge!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Only person I ever seen shooting BP out of a 1911 was Split Rail several years ago. Ran with no problems. Cleaning it was probably a pain tho. --Dawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted March 14, 2019 Share Posted March 14, 2019 Actually they aren't that hard to clean as the brass is very thin and seals the chamber well. At least on mine it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostVaquero Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Seen videos. Amazing enough BP fits to run well. I wonder if subs would work as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancho Roy Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Kid Rich is the man for Black Powder in a 1911..............Has been doing it for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 14 hours ago, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said: Shooting black powder out of a 1911 makes John M Browning spin in his grave. The horror! That's almost as bad as shooting smokiless in a 73. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 This discussion made me wonder when BP was no longer used. I found, according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_gunpowder_age, that in 1902, "Smokeless powder is adopted nearly everywhere in the world and "black powder" is relegated to hobbyist usage. So ends the Gunpowder Age." As the WBAS timeline starts with the 1911, BP doesn't seem to fit the category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said: As the WBAS timeline starts with the 1911, BP doesn't seem to fit the category. True but it sure looks like a lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 54 minutes ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said: This discussion made me wonder when BP was no longer used. I found, according to Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_gunpowder_age, that in 1902, "Smokeless powder is adopted nearly everywhere in the world and "black powder" is relegated to hobbyist usage. So ends the Gunpowder Age." As the WBAS timeline starts with the 1911, BP doesn't seem to fit the category. When I was 13 years old I was using BP shells in a 10ga dble with Damascus barrels for Pheasant hunting. Not a hobby used tyo put meat on the table. That was quite a while after 1902, at least 20+ years. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said: True but it sure looks like a lot of fun. It is. It also increases the difficulty factor by a great deal. Both in trying to see targets and in getting a load that meets the pf and in getting your gun to run for 60 plus rnds successfully per stage. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Jack, SASS #20451 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Per KId Rich's post: We considered (very briefly) outlawing the use of BP or substitutes in Wild Bunch primarily because of the firearm problems the majority of users were having and the effect on the overall match flow. HOWEVER Wild Bunch Action Shooting is a SHOOTING match, and we want to reduce penalties and restrictions, not increase them. So we decided that if you can make it work fine, if you can't, you might miss a couple of stages as the match goes on. We (the WBAS Committee) have removed over a dozen MSV's and SDQ's since the start of Sanctioned WBAS competition. Too bad CAS can't do that also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchemist Belle 93666 Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 OK, that is hilarious. I didn't pay close attention to what was on the pin until you pointed it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostVaquero Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 Wonder if BP 45acp meets the power fastore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 12 hours ago, Alchemist Belle 93666 said: OK, that is hilarious. I didn't pay close attention to what was on the pin until you pointed it out. Ya...I found it funny that SASS decided to feature 2 trench guns and a 1911 on this year's BP championship pin, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: Ya...I found it funny that SASS decided to feature 2 trench guns and a 1911 on this year's BP championship pin, too. It’s obviously a mistake that wasn’t caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Sights, SASS # 2782 Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 On 3/14/2019 at 7:53 PM, LostVaquero said: Seen videos. Amazing enough BP fits to run well. I wonder if subs would work as well? Just for grins, I loaded up a couple dozen rounds of 230 gr RN and Pyrodex to see if it would work in my Springfield Armory GI 45. No problems at all. All rounds chambered, fired and ejected as normal. I did notice the slide was moving a bit slower than normal right from the beginning, but that was all. Cleaning up afterwards was quite easy too. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 16, 2019 Author Share Posted March 16, 2019 Dusty, do you have a chronograph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted March 17, 2019 Share Posted March 17, 2019 My loads were tested by HJ at the Regional in St. George, Utah a couple of years ago. With a 230g bullet the first round was about 720 fps the subsequent rounds were in excess of 750 fps. kR On 3/15/2019 at 11:28 AM, Kid Rich said: It is. It also increases the difficulty factor by a great deal. Both in trying to see targets and in getting a load that meets the pf and in getting your gun to run for 60 plus rnds successfully per stage. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleRider Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 BP was a lot of fun to shoot in WB, cleaning was pretty easy, unfortunately I did find a couple mags that missed the cleaning part at the next WB match. BP soot does interfere with loading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramblin Gambler Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Black powder in Wild bunch almost oughta be like a B western category. That video of Pale Ale Rider reminded me of how much smoke guns always make in the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Sights, SASS # 2782 Posted March 20, 2019 Share Posted March 20, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 1:32 PM, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: Dusty, do you have a chronograph? Unfortunately no, but that would have been a good idea to have, and see how the velocity was. These were full charge loads, no filler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 Posted March 21, 2019 Share Posted March 21, 2019 On 3/16/2019 at 6:56 AM, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: This video looks familiar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waimea Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 3/15/2019 at 2:24 PM, Kid Rich said: When I was 13 years old I was using BP shells in a 10ga dble with Damascus barrels for Pheasant hunting. Not a hobby used tyo put meat on the table. That was quite a while after 1902, at least 20+ years. kR How did you keep an eye on the pheasant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Waimea said: How did you keep an eye on the pheasant? I learned quickly that you let em get out a little ways before ya shoot em or there isn't much left to eat. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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