Bad Hand Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Didn't want to hijack the "legal, not legal derringer" post. We still see the suspenders with derringer holsters built in, altho they aren't as popular as they once were. A couple of times while I was working the UT I've asked the wearer to show his derringer was empty, never had a refusal, but did get a few surprised looks. My question is, what/would there be a penality if the derringer was loaded? Remember there's always a live round under the hammer in a derringer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Culpepper 32827 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 SDQ for not adhering to LT & ULT procedures..... my 2 cents... unless home range has other ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack N. Water Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 the derringer must be cleared at the unload table if carried thru the course of fire even if not used too shoot the string. if it is carried in the bay while not shooting it must be kept unloaded. most ranges are cold anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Yep show clear. You carried it on the course of fire. Ike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 What Irish said. I'm one that carries a derringer. Never know when a Pinkerton will sneak up on you. Got tired of concerned cowpokes; "If it falls out you'll get a SDQ!" Yep I know. "You'll have to show its empty at the unloading table". Yep I know So one winter I carved one out of wood. Got the idea from Frenchy Yukon. Next problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 most ranges are cold ranges you can NOT load anything that is not used in a stage loaded derringer stand for a hangin from the cloest tree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 SDQ for not adhering to LT & ULT procedures..... my 2 cents... unless home range has other ideas After a SDQ there would not be anymore problems with not showing clear. Nawlins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 folks, the question was what if the derringer was loaded??????????? not, do you show clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fargo Bill, SASS #4942 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 folks, the question was what if the derringer was loaded??????????? not, do you show clear It should also be checked at the loading table also in my humbled opinion. NOT TO BE LOADED IF NOT CALLED FOR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madd Mike #8595 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 It should also be checked at the loading table also in my humbled opinion. NOT TO BE LOADED IF NOT CALLED FOR. ok but what is the penalty for such an infraction, I think was the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nawlins Kid SASS #36107 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014   ok but what is the penalty for such an infraction, I think was the question   First thing would be to ask if it was loaded at the LT? Did the LT see it being loaded. If not loaded at the LT than ROI pg.25 A SDQ for "Changing location with a live round under a cocked hammer or a gun with the hammer down on a live round. Loading at other than the designated loading position or firing line" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hand Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 Thank you Madd Mike, I've never had a problem with a pard showing empty, just wondered what would be the call with a loaded one at the UT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond S Doug Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 SDQ hammer down on a loaded round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AceDerringer Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 Us Derringers are always loaded and ready to go.... Right Pa...Slick...Chance...Doc...Shortcake....Diamond....Daisy.... Before too long we will have our own posse.... Bordertown is coming.... Battle of the Bell, Parte Dos.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Diamond Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 If there is no derringer in the stage , if it is secured in the holster with a strap , I can MAYBE see it being checked at the 1st stage but not subsequent ones (mine is unloaded and just a prop. GOD gave us the 2nd amendment AND a brain. At least most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 If there is no derringer in the stage , if it is secured in the holster with a strap , I can MAYBE see it being checked at the 1st stage but not subsequent ones (mine is unloaded and just a prop. GOD gave us the 2nd amendment AND a brain. At least most of us. There are rules for the game that must be followed...it's not your life...not your 2nd amendment rights at an organized shoot. So if you bring a gun to the line, ya gotta show clear at the unloading table. It's not that much to ask and make logical sense to me. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Thanks...save me from posting a long-winded diatribe regarding the RULES for this game. & FWIW - I'm with ya on the CPA issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Thanks...save me from posting a long-winded diatribe regarding the RULES for this game. & FWIW - I'm with ya on the CPA issue. Ain't the wire fun?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Ain't the wire fun?!?!?! Most of the time...but there ARE those days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 All ranges in Southern Nevada are COLD ranges. A loaded derringer at the Unloading Table or anywhere unless you are directed by stage instructions to do load it. will earn you a Match Disqualification. Put your guns away and come back again another day. The same goes for your concealed carry gun. The derringer will be checked and cleared at the Unloading table each time you clear your other guns. We have a lady here that carries a non functional Derringer. It does not need to be cleared each time. And yes, I have checked to make sure it is non-functional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 All ranges in Southern Nevada are COLD ranges. A loaded derringer at the Unloading Table will earn you a Match Disqualification. The derringer will be checked and cleared at the Unloading table each time you clear your other guns. The same goes for your concealed carry gun. We have a lady here that carries a non functional Derringer. It does not need to be cleared each time. And yes, I have checked to make sure it is non-functional. Why would a loaded derringer be a MDQ at the unloading table? Just unload it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 i dont carry a derringer , if i did [and i may one day] it would be empty , unless required for the stage , and i would have no issue with showing clear at the unload table of any that are on my person as that is the reason for that table at a match , if you need to carry it hot do it off premises , outside our organized match - same as your daily carry piece , .......i do think a match DQ would only apply if it was found before the loading table or if refused to unload at the unload table , both would indicate an unsafe condition of that stage , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe LaFives #5481 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Other concern would be HOW to show clear. Since , often, the barrel is hinged, it requires leaving the barrel pointed into the berm or downrange and moving the grip away from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 Other concern would be HOW to show clear. Since , often, the barrel is hinged, it requires leaving the barrel pointed into the berm or downrange and moving the grip away from you. Same as most S&W top-breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Sloe Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 1st offense would be a SDQ. If hard headed and did it a 2nd time then the MDQ comes into play. Refer to ROI pages 24 and 25. Barry Sloe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Diamond Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 If I was asked to check it at the reloading table at every stage I would do it. but I would tell the guy it was stupid to do so. every time. if he's gonna waste my time he would have to listen to my complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 If I was asked to check it at the reloading table at every stage I would do it. but I would tell the guy it was stupid to do so. every time. if he's gonna waste my time he would have to listen to my complaints. So...it is your opinion that clearing firearms at the reUNloading table is stupid? Which other SAFETY protocols do you think we can dispense with as a "waste of time"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 What Irish said. I'm one that carries a derringer. Never know when a Pinkerton will sneak up on you. Got tired of concerned cowpokes; "If it falls out you'll get a SDQ!" Yep I know. "You'll have to show its empty at the unloading table". Yep I know So one winter I carved one out of wood. Got the idea from Frenchy Yukon. Next problem. LOL! Yup - you showed me that one time - too cool GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 If I was asked to check it at the reloading table at every stage I would do it. but I would tell the guy it was stupid to do so. every time. if he's gonna waste my time he would have to listen to my complaints. If ya meant unloading table - It's a safety thing - don't knock it pard A firearm is a firearm.... GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Fernando Slim, SASS #20521 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 A few years back while I was working the unloading table there was a shooter who used the persona of a gambler. He carried a pocket pistol in the small of his back. When I asked him to show that it was empty he replied that it was empty and that he really could not reach it very well. I informed him that if he would not show it, he would get the penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michigan Slim Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 I have to unload my Derringer before I get out of the truck at the range. Kinda funny! You carry it -you show empty. Had a shooter pull one out and show empty and I didn't even know he had it until he did. A good pard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted April 2, 2014 Share Posted April 2, 2014 If I was asked to check it at the reloading table at every stage I would do it. but I would tell the guy it was stupid to do so. every time. if he's gonna waste my time he would have to listen to my complaints. If you don't like it, don't take it to the firing line. The unloading table guy was just doing his job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuteTheMall Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Other concern would be HOW to show clear. Since , often, the barrel is hinged, it requires leaving the barrel pointed into the berm or downrange and moving the grip away from you. Same as most S&W top-breaks. Same as double barrel shotguns. Every ULT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivery Keys #11974 Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 Got a derringer water gun I used to carry in those suspenders, don't know how many times I had to show clear, even though it was obviously plastic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted April 3, 2014 Share Posted April 3, 2014 If I was asked to check it at the reloading table at every stage I would do it. but I would tell the guy it was stupid to do so. every time. if he's gonna waste my time he would have to listen to my complaints. Tell us how many matches you have shot with that 'tude of yours about show'n that a weapon is 'clear'. LG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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