Happy Columbus Day

[Rye Miles #13621]

Happy Columbus Day

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/2023/10/06/a-proclamation-on-columbus-day-2023/

I know it’s signed by BIDEN but what can you do? It’s official no matter what dummy is in the WhiteHouse

[Dantankerous]

So much for Indigenous Peoples' Day...

 

[DocWard]

What's so happy about it? My wife has to work and didn't let me sleep in, and I haven't had coffee yet.

 

BAH! HUMBUG I say!!!

 

[LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L]

[Rye Miles #13621]

I’m going to the range and shoot my 1911 Colt and a 9mm Canek in celebration!

[Subdeacon Joe]

Columbus was an illegal immigrant undocumented migrant bringing cultural diversity to the Americas.  

[Cypress Sun]

7 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

Columbus was an illegal immigrant undocumented migrant bringing cultural diversity to the Americas.  

 

More importantly, Columbus brought pizza and lasagna to the US.

 

Sounds good anyway.

 

Happy Columbus Day...and pass me the Parmesan cheese!

[Rye Miles #13621]

9 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

Columbus was an illegal immigrant undocumented migrant bringing cultural diversity to the Americas.  

Nice touch Joe!

[Ozark Huckleberry]

Happy Indigenous Peoples Day. 
 

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

17 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

Happy Indigenous Peoples Day. 
 

 

NOOOOOO

[Rye Miles #13621]

7 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

NOOOOOO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbus_Day

[Sedalia Dave]

 

 

Columbus versus Indigenous Peoples

 

The Left wants to eliminate Columbus Day, as he offends them because he was involved with slavery.  Instead, the Left wants to honor Indigenous Peoples.  It’s appropriate that Democrats want to honor Indigenous Peoples as Indigenous Peoples’ history parallels the Democrat Party’s history of slavery.

 

Did you know that the 13th Amendment that abolished slavery did not apply to all slaves?  The “Five Civilized Tribes” of the southeast - Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole - also participated in the institution of slavery.  Because these tribes were located outside the sovereignty of the United States, constitutional amendments did not apply to them.  (Kinda like Kathy Hochul, who doesn’t believe the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution applies to New York State.)

 

According to journalist Aliana E. Roberts, by 1800, the “Five Tribes” had developed “plantations that rivaled those of their white neighbors.”  She also notes that the percentage of black slaves in the population was not

insignificant. 

 

In 1860:

 

Cherokee Nation citizens owned 2,511 slaves (15 percent of their total population),

Choctaw citizens owned 2,349 slaves (14 percent of their total population), and

Creek citizens owned 1,532 slaves (10 percent of their total population).

Chickasaw citizens owned 975 slaves, which amounted to 18 percent of their total population.

 

These were proportions equivalent to that of white slave owners in Tennessee, a large slaveholding state.

 

Most other North American tribes also practiced some form of slavery, even before Columbus.  (Wait a minute – Columbus didn’t introduce slavery to America?  If that’s so, could the 1619 Project also be wrong?)

 

In The Birth of America, William Polk writes: “Indian societies were frequently at war with one another…booty consisted in part of slaves.  Slavery was as common in the New World as among Africans and Europeans. Practices were equally cruel.”

 

Close to home here in NY State, the Mohawks would eat their captives, which is usually referred to as cannibalism.

 

A special “shout out” on Indigenous Peoples Day should go to the Aztecs.

 

The Aztecs had religious festivities at the end of their 20-day months and human sacrifice was an essential feature of these festivities.  (And you thought giving up something for Lent was hard.)

 

Human sacrifice also was part of the legend around the founding of the Aztec capital city, Tenochtitlan, which was accompanied by the sacrifice and skinning of the daughter of the King Coxcox of Culhuacan.  (By contrast, Jefferson, Madison and Hamilton decided on the current site of Washington D.C. over dinner and a bottle of wine.)

 

Another aspect of Aztec human sacrifice was children who were made to cry before the sacrifice. The tears were thought to wet the earth and thus appease the gods. If a child did not cry, the priests would sometimes tear out the nails of the child to make him or her cry.

 

The Aztec practice of human sacrifice also served a political purpose.  The Aztecs were small in number compared to the other subjugated tribes and, thus, there was always a danger of an alliance between these tribes against the Aztecs.  To avert this, Aztecs demanded humans as a tribute from the subjugated tribes.  As a result, these tribes would constantly raid each other to procure humans for sacrifice. This minimized or eliminated the chance of an alliance between the tribes.  (Sounds like the current effort to keep the Left in power by dividing people over race and gender issues.)

 

In 1487, five years before Columbus discovered America, “Templo Mayor” was dedicated in the Aztec city of Tenochtitlan, with a four-day celebration. How many were sacrificed during that time is a subject of scholarly speculation with the lowest estimate at 4,000. 

 

It is hard to know how many Aztecs died under the sacrificial knife. Many reputable scholars today put the number between 20,000 and 250,000 per year for the whole Aztec Empire.  (Hitler, Mao and Stalin would have been proud of the Aztecs.)

 

Indigenous People Day would not be complete without mentioning the Incas of Peru.  Although a little less bloodthirsty than Aztecs, the Incas had enslaved other indigenous people along the Andes.

 

Human sacrifices were practiced by the Incas to ward off danger, famine or an epidemic. The victims were usually children, sometimes men and virgins.  (Apparently, virgins have been sacrificial favorites, everywhere.) 

 

More recently, archaeologists have discovered a site in northern Peru of mass child sacrifice. About 550 years ago, over 140 children were probably sacrificed on a site known as Huanchaquito-Las Llamas.  Later, the number of sacrificed children’s remains found rose to 269, with the discovery of another nearby site. 

 

An interesting aspect of the Inca Empire is described in the book “A Socialist Empire: The Incas of Peru” by Louis Baudin.  (The Incas would make Stalin, Mao and Fidel proud.)  Baudin writes that the regime imposed by the Inca rulers on the indigenous populations they had enslaved was a precursor of Marxist-style socialism.  Private property and individual initiative were prohibited.  Money and commerce did not exist.  Private life was subject to tough state regulation: people had to dress in a similar way; marriage was allowed only following the eugenic laws of the state, to avoid “racial contamination”.  Like any tyrannical system of this type, it was oppressive and didn’t work, so much so that the subjugated indigenous peoples enthusiastically helped the few Spaniards who came to get rid of it.  (Sounds like the Incas deserve the Margaret Sanger Planned Parenthood award for eugenics.) 

 

So, the Aztecs and Incas enslaved other indigenous peoples.   Well, at least they weren’t racists. 

        

It’s lucky for those Indigenous Peoples that they weren’t “White European Heritage Peoples” or the ‘Woke’ would demand that they lose their new holiday because they practiced slavery.  To be fair, just about every peoples have practiced slavery; European, Asian, African and indigenous American. 

 

If the holiday had to be renamed, again, the “woke” would demand that it honor someone who did not practice slavery or cannibalism; that, of course, would eliminate just about every race and country in the history of the world. 

 

But if you wanted to name it for someone who did not practice human sacrifice or cannibalism, Christopher Columbus is available.

 

S.C.O.P.E. Shooters Committee On Political Education
 

[Dantankerous]

Ain't history a real B for the woke?

 

Great post, SD.

 

 

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

Incredible.  Obviously there are those who choose to blame the "Left" and the "Democrats" for every ill befalling mankind, and cite everything they don't like as supporting "proof" whether a "Left" or "Democrat" existed or not.  Citing numbers of slaves "owned" or "held" by "Indigenous" tribes is ludicrous.  Anyone who believes folks went around to all the various Indian encampments counting the "number" of slaves also believes in The Tooth Fairy.

 

"Columbus" day is suppose to be October 12th.  Similar to The Pharos who combined several pagan celebrations to a single happy day called "Christmas" which has no relationship to the actual birthdate of the greatest huckster of all time. 

[Colorado Coffinmaker]

And How many folks who throw the word "Woke" around actually know what the term actually means as opposed to a misguided SLUR.

[J-BAR #18287]

Well, annual range membership renewal is half-off on Indigenous Peoples Day, so I'm gonna take advantage of them yet one more time!!

[Dantankerous]

 Anyone ever wonder why these woke leftists are always so angry?

[Blackwater 53393]

13 minutes ago, Dantankerous said:

 Anyone ever wonder why these woke leftists are always so angry?

NOPE!!  I figured that out several years ago!  The world ain’t nearly simple enough for them and they resent that they had no hand in writing the history they so fervently wish to ignore or destroy!!

 

BESIDES!! They’re embarrassed that they chose the term “WOKE” instead of the proper term, which would be “AWAKENED”, further vividly illustrating their dim wittedness!!

 

 

[Shawnee Hills]

1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

Incredible.  Obviously there are those who choose to blame the "Left" and the "Democrats" for every ill befalling mankind, and cite everything they don't like as supporting "proof" whether a "Left" or "Democrat" existed or not.  Citing numbers of slaves "owned" or "held" by "Indigenous" tribes is ludicrous.  Anyone who believes folks went around to all the various Indian encampments counting the "number" of slaves also believes in The Tooth Fairy.

 

"Columbus" day is suppose to be October 12th.  Similar to The Pharos who combined several pagan celebrations to a single happy day called "Christmas" which has no relationship to the actual birthdate of the greatest huckster of all time. 

 

Pretty confident that this is the most inflammatory post I've ever read on the Wire.  To what end it was posted, I am unsure but will continue to worship Jesus as my Lord and Savior and pray to God for the benefit of those around me.

 

 

[Cypress Sun]

1 hour ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

And How many folks who throw the work "Woke" around actually know what the term actually means as opposed to a misguided SLUR.

 

How strange that you used the words "work" and "Woke" in conjunction with each other...or were you intentionally trying for an oxymoron?

[Cypress Sun]

3 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said:

Happy Indigenous Peoples Day. 
 

 

 

Some folks take the adage "Have a heart" just a little too far.

[Rye Miles #13621]

4 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said:

Incredible.  Obviously there are those who choose to blame the "Left" and the "Democrats" for every ill befalling mankind, and cite everything they don't like as supporting "proof" whether a "Left" or "Democrat" existed or not.  Citing numbers of slaves "owned" or "held" by "Indigenous" tribes is ludicrous.  Anyone who believes folks went around to all the various Indian encampments counting the "number" of slaves also believes in The Tooth Fairy.

 

"Columbus" day is suppose to be October 12th.  Similar to The Pharos who combined several pagan celebrations to a single happy day called "Christmas" which has no relationship to the actual birthdate of the greatest huckster of all time. 

No one said they went around to Indian camps to count slaves! They did have slaves, you can read about it in several history books. Saying that Indians owned slaves is in retaliation to those who say Columbus brought slavery to this land. The left DID create the "woke" culture in this country and they coined the phrase. Everything the left touches turns to S%^$! 

If you don't believe in Jesus that's fine but calling him a huckster is really insulting millions of Christians. You should be ashamed of yourself. I thought you were better than that. Guess I'm wrong!

[Blackwater 53393]

The U.S. Government collected census data from the “Nations” , even back in those days!  They had fairly accurate counts of Native American homes, family members, and slave holdings, so the numbers offered in that earlier post are probably fairly reliable.

 

To dismiss them out of hand is disingenuous, unless one has documented evidence to the contrary. It’s also needlessly argumentative and likely misleading!

 

The fact that the “Left” has set out to rewrite history in the image that suits its purpose over the past several decades is incontrovertible!  We have watched it happen and done little to prevent it!  
 

The warts of our past are a part of our history that need to be preserved!  The denial of the wrongs that occurred would prevent our descendants from learning from the mistakes and missteps that our predecessors made and the ones we have made ourselves!!  So! Quit trying to make excuses for what the, (they chose the term, not us) WOKE minority is trying to do!  It’s WRONG and there’s no way to make it right, unless the revisionist left wing narrative is allowed to become accepted history!

 

 I won’t go into the specifics and the pros and cons of the “Civil War”, the “Trail of Tears”, the faux pas of the westward movement and “Manifest Destiny”.  We’ve discussed and argued the points of contention here to no end.

 

That the “Left” tries to vilify anyone today for things they had no hand in or any control over and expects to place blame on or exact recompense from anyone who is living today for whatever perceived wrong occurred nearly a century and three quarters ago is divisive and completely counterproductive!

 

I won’t even dignify the attack on religion here with an argument. It was blatantly wrong and inflammatory and deserves no response save that it was beneath even the lowest of expectations!!

[Dantankerous]

Blackwater, Amen.

[Rye Miles #13621]

10 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

The U.S. Government collected census data from the “Nations” , even back in those days!  They had fairly accurate counts of Native American homes, family members, and slave holdings, so the numbers offered in that earlier post are probably fairly reliable.

 

To dismiss them out of hand is disingenuous, unless one has documented evidence to the contrary. It’s also needlessly argumentative and likely misleading!

 

The fact that the “Left” has set out to rewrite history in the image that suits its purpose over the past several decades is incontrovertible!  We have watched it happen and done little to prevent it!  
 

The warts of our past are a part of our history that need to be preserved!  The denial of the wrongs that occurred would prevent our descendants from learning from the mistakes and missteps that our predecessors made and the ones we have made ourselves!!  So! Quit trying to make excuses for what the, (they chose the term, not us) WOKE minority is trying to do!  It’s WRONG and there’s no way to make it right, unless the revisionist left wing narrative is allowed to become accepted history!

 

 I won’t go into the specifics and the pros and cons of the “Civil War”, the “Trail of Tears”, the faux pas of the westward movement and “Manifest Destiny”.  We’ve discussed and argued the points of contention here to no end.

 

That the “Left” tries to vilify anyone today for things they had no hand in or any control over and expects to place blame on or exact recompense from anyone who is living today for whatever perceived wrong occurred nearly a century and three quarters ago is divisive and completely counterproductive!

 

I won’t even dignify the attack on religion here with an argument. It was blatantly wrong and inflammatory and deserves no response save that it was beneath even the lowest of expectations!!

Well said !

[Subdeacon Joe]

[Alpo]

A simple like is not good enough for that.

 

We need a standing ovation emoji.

[irish ike, SASS #43615]

Technically it should be Happy Leaf Erickson day. But facts are irrelevant!

[Alpo]

40 minutes ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:

Technically it should be Happy Leaf Erickson day. But facts are irrelevant!

Leif

 

Somebody needs to teach otto to spell

[watab kid]

im good with  Subdeacon Joe sentiments but ill also thank columbis for being willing to explore the unknown - i got nothing for the indigenous that were just barley out of the stone age when we started manifest destiny exploration and developed this country into the superpower it is .....and will continue to do in spite of the leftist's among us 

 

 

[Rye Miles #13621]

9 hours ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:

Technically it should be Happy Leaf Erickson day. But facts are irrelevant!

No one in the known world at the time recognized Ericsson’s travels. Columbus was commissioned by the Queen of Spain and the old world recognizes his achievement of finding the “new world “ first. 

Then there’s this dude 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarni_Herjólfsson

[irish ike, SASS #43615]

15 hours ago, Alpo said:

Somebody needs to teach otto to spell

Thanks for being who you are! Rather than express an opinion on the reality of Columbus not discovering the Americas, you choose to be, again who you are?

[irish ike, SASS #43615]

7 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

the old world recognizes his achievement of finding the “new world “ first. 

The Norse didn't communicate with old world Europe their discoveries or travel. They were their to conquer. By the 16th Century news traveled fast, for the time, so word of Columbus's discovery was well known within a few years. As you said, the world wasn't aware of the "discoveries" of the Norse until our modern times.

Like the Norse, Columbus's find was happenstance at best.

[DeaconKC]

On 10/9/2023 at 10:48 AM, Shawnee Hills said:

 

Pretty confident that this is the most inflammatory post I've ever read on the Wire.  To what end it was posted, I am unsure but will continue to worship Jesus as my Lord and Savior and pray to God for the benefit of those around me.

 

 

 

23 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

No one said they went around to Indian camps to count slaves! They did have slaves, you can read about it in several history books. Saying that Indians owned slaves is in retaliation to those who say Columbus brought slavery to this land. The left DID create the "woke" culture in this country and they coined the phrase. Everything the left touches turns to S%^$! 

If you don't believe in Jesus that's fine but calling him a huckster is really insulting millions of Christians. You should be ashamed of yourself. I thought you were better than that. Guess I'm wrong!

 

22 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

The U.S. Government collected census data from the “Nations” , even back in those days!  They had fairly accurate counts of Native American homes, family members, and slave holdings, so the numbers offered in that earlier post are probably fairly reliable.

 

To dismiss them out of hand is disingenuous, unless one has documented evidence to the contrary. It’s also needlessly argumentative and likely misleading!

 

The fact that the “Left” has set out to rewrite history in the image that suits its purpose over the past several decades is incontrovertible!  We have watched it happen and done little to prevent it!  
 

The warts of our past are a part of our history that need to be preserved!  The denial of the wrongs that occurred would prevent our descendants from learning from the mistakes and missteps that our predecessors made and the ones we have made ourselves!!  So! Quit trying to make excuses for what the, (they chose the term, not us) WOKE minority is trying to do!  It’s WRONG and there’s no way to make it right, unless the revisionist left wing narrative is allowed to become accepted history!

 

 I won’t go into the specifics and the pros and cons of the “Civil War”, the “Trail of Tears”, the faux pas of the westward movement and “Manifest Destiny”.  We’ve discussed and argued the points of contention here to no end.

 

That the “Left” tries to vilify anyone today for things they had no hand in or any control over and expects to place blame on or exact recompense from anyone who is living today for whatever perceived wrong occurred nearly a century and three quarters ago is divisive and completely counterproductive!

 

I won’t even dignify the attack on religion here with an argument. It was blatantly wrong and inflammatory and deserves no response save that it was beneath even the lowest of expectations!!

Far better said than I could have phrased it, thank you Gentlemen.

[Subdeacon Joe]

We all know that the first European to set foot in America was the Venerable Bede.