Hells Comin Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 I'm loading 357's and I have to push the case in approximately 1/8" or it will crush the side of the case any thoughts?
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 Several things could be wrong. The rod that operates the shell inserter could be off. The inserter itself might need adjusting. The square block the inserter rides on could be dirty/gummy and not allowing the inserter to push the shell all the way. Some parts could be worn. It is hard to see from the photo but if you are talking about the priming station the spring loaded arm that holds the shell in place could need adjustment or be dirty or damaged. When the shell is all the way into the shellplate the little finger should be just touching the rim.
J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 Check for a cracked indexing ring.
Beaver Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 When was the last time it had a good cleaning and service? I just solved this same issue on a pards press. I would start with Larsens suggestion. That's the most simple issues to solve. But the press I was working on was a combination of build up under the shell plate and improper setup of the plate. The mounting bolt came loose and allowed the plate to wobble too much. Also if you have a centering tool, use it to ensure the sizing die is in line with the pocket on the plate. You can use a casing if not. Just loosen the die a little, run the casing or the tool up into the die and lock it back down. Ensure the plate is set right first. Hope this helps. Get ahold of me if you need or want too. Looking forward to seeing you at Eldorado in a few months Beaver
Shooting Bull Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 Seems like a stupid question but I'll ask anyway, does that only happen at station #2?
Hoss Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 I’m betting on a little crud buildup in the shell holder. Just enough so the case is not exactly in line with the powder powder funnel.
wyliefoxEsquire Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 Hells, This happened to me. In my situation the block that pushes the case into the shell plate did not move the full length. How it got out of alignment may have resulted because of resetting all the dies after I broke a depriming pin. After adjusting, all is now good.
Hells Comin Posted July 21, 2023 Author Posted July 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Shooting Bull said: Seems like a stupid question but I'll ask anyway, does that only happen at station #2? Yes and it primes perfectly 2 hours ago, Ranger Dan said: Does it happen in station 1 or 2 ??? 2
Hells Comin Posted July 21, 2023 Author Posted July 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Shooting Bull said: Seems like a stupid question but I'll ask anyway, does that only happen at station #2? Yes
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 7 minutes ago, Hells Comin said: Yes and it primes perfectly If it primes perfectly what are you having to push in? Are you talking pushing the shell further into the shell plate or something else?
Hells Comin Posted July 21, 2023 Author Posted July 21, 2023 Just pushing the top in. After further inspection if I index the shell plate a little clockwise it lines up
Ranger Dan Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, Hells Comin said: Yes and it primes perfectly 2 Loosen the shell guide (metal spring loaded tab) it is too tight and tips the shell just enough that the opening is off center of the expander / powder funnel. It primes fine because there is enough pressure when priming to over power the spring tension of the locator tab. The tab should not touch the shell when it is all the way in the shell plate. A gap of a couple mm is good. Also recommend cleaning the shell plate in case there is dirt in the slot.
SHOOTIN FOX Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 Check the frame on the side of the cartridge pusher for a loose case or crud buildup.
Tequila Shooter Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 As most know cleaning is essential and often overlooked. Working with a 650 also presents some unique challenges. I make it a habit that after a loading session I clean the externals of the machine with compressed air, and pull the powder measure and wash it. BEFORE another round of reloading parts start coming off to clean and lubricate including the shell plate, the case seater, the case tube from the case feeder and especially station 2. After hearing about and personally know someone who had a primer detonation I take special care to tear down the primer assembly and clean and lubricate as well. IMHO I’ve saved myself a lot of heartache and messed up brass by taking the time to do the preventive maintenance.
Hells Comin Posted July 21, 2023 Author Posted July 21, 2023 Well I decided to take it to Dillon next week- I'm tried of messing with it. Not like there's any shooting going on this time of the year in Phoenix.
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted July 21, 2023 Posted July 21, 2023 19 hours ago, Beaver said: When was the last time it had a good cleaning and service? I just solved this same issue on a pards press. I would start with Larsens suggestion. That's the most simple issues to solve. But the press I was working on was a combination of build up under the shell plate and improper setup of the plate. The mounting bolt came loose and allowed the plate to wobble too much. Also if you have a centering tool, use it to ensure the sizing die is in line with the pocket on the plate. You can use a casing if not. Just loosen the die a little, run the casing or the tool up into the die and lock it back down. Ensure the plate is set right first. Hope this helps. Get ahold of me if you need or want too. Looking forward to seeing you at Eldorado in a few months Beaver A good cleaning, grease and oil cured that problem with mine as well. Randy
Hells Comin Posted July 21, 2023 Author Posted July 21, 2023 Thanks everyone let's see what the fine folks at Dillon say.
Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 They will tell you to trade it in on a 750!!!!!!!! They didn't get to where they are by not knowing how to market and sell their products.
Hells Comin Posted July 22, 2023 Author Posted July 22, 2023 I'd do that, looks like most of the accessories Will swap over. I'll give them a 100 bucks and my 650.
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 50 minutes ago, Hells Comin said: I'd do that, looks like most of the accessories Will swap over. I'll give them a 100 bucks and my 650. Perfect. Just give em $200 and get a 1050. Let us know how all this works out. Somehow expect you will pass over the $100 bucks anyway. Good luck.
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 Indexing Cam?? Swap it out for a Ball Bearing one regardless.
wyliefoxEsquire Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 17 hours ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: Perfect. Just give em $200 and get a 1050. Let us know how all this works out. Somehow expect you will pass over the $100 bucks anyway. Good luck I have heard that the 1050 does NOT have the same outstanding parts warranty as the other models.
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 22, 2023 Posted July 22, 2023 WylieFox, That is correct. DILLON sees the 1050 as a "Professional" or "Commercial Manufacture" machine and does not warrant the 1050.
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