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It will surely empty the rest of the productive people out of our state and leave it to the rest of the  'new money' folks to figure out.  Ironically, they'll end up having to tax themselves to pay for the generous gift they received.   And the votes the democrats bought will only result in laws that regulate them -- everyone else will be long gone.   What a sad requiem for such a beautiful and once-great state. 

But watch out in all the other states.  Here we come!

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So the people that get the reparations will also be paying higher taxes?? Do the folks whose families came from the Northern states that fought to end slavery get some reparations also?? What about the black folks that never had slaves in their family? They get it too?? So many questions about this debacle of a bill!

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1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

So the people that get the reparations will also be paying higher taxes?? Do the folks whose families came from the Northern states that fought to end slavery get some reparations also?? What about the black folks that never had slaves in their family? They get it too?? So many questions about this debacle of a bill!

You need to STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!! Quit trying to make sense of ANYTHING from San Francisco. The politicians there won't hear of it.

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10 minutes ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

I hope that all of the people who leave California know that they are refugees and not missionaries.


 

@Duffield, SASS #23454if you could help explain that to ‘em, we’d sure appreciate it. :lol: 
 

almost every time I venture in to town, you overhear some version of “You know what this town needs?”  -_-

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17 minutes ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

I hope that all of the people who leave California know that they are refugees and not missionaries.

 

When we move to Kentucky next year we are going to get license plate frames made with that.

 

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1 hour ago, Wallaby Damned said:


 

@Duffield, SASS #23454if you could help explain that to ‘em, we’d sure appreciate it. :lol: 
 

almost every time I venture in to town, you overhear some version of “You know what this town needs?”  -_-

Well then step up and let them know things are fine the way they are. ;)

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1 hour ago, Duffield, SASS #23454 said:

I hope that all of the people who leave California know that they are refugees and not missionaries.

Well stated.  But keep in mind the people leaving are not the ones to be worried about.   They are neither societal parasites, nor woke.  

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23 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

Well stated.  But keep in mind the people leaving are not the ones to be worried about.   They are neither societal parasites, nor woke.  

Some people like painting with a broad brush and are quite obtuse on the matter. 

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Perhaps an attorney in our midst can answer this.  Could an individual get a court to agree to their standing to sue for reparations, if that individual could show no tangible individual damage?  I know of cases where class action standing was granted, such as  Sierra Club v Morten, in which the club members established that their collective and individual loss and impairment of recreation at Mineral King in the (then) Sequoia National Forest warranted them being granted standing for a lawsuit against the USDA Forset Service  permitting of a new ski resort.  

 

But in the present case, it seems like individual damage would be hard to argue, especially in states like California which geographically  had no culpability for alleged damage due to enslavement of ancestors.  Does just being disrespected or discriminated against by other citizens alone warrant standing for reparations to ostensibly be paid by the general taxed  public, who may or may not have ever mistreated anybody, before, during or after slavery?

 

Can you clarify? 

I realize that the legislative process in question here differs in procedures and standards to courtroom procedures, but the damage questions  seem at least structurally parallel to me. 

Again, can you clarify?  

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4 hours ago, Wallaby Damned said:

almost every time I venture in to town, you overhear some version of “You know what this town needs?”  -_-

That is the biggest load of horse crap I ever hear. I have lived in a number of states and city's, even lived in Germany for 4 years while in the Army. There is always a way to improve someplace. Everyplace  needs something, natives and locals may not see it and u am not talking about socialist  stuff or left wing propaganda. Plus it sound kind of.like you don't like californians

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6 hours ago, The Shoer 27979 said:

That is the biggest load of horse crap I ever hear. I have lived in a number of states and city's, even lived in Germany for 4 years while in the Army. There is always a way to improve someplace. Everyplace  needs something, natives and locals may not see it and u am not talking about socialist  stuff or left wing propaganda. Plus it sound kind of.like you don't like californians

 

I suppose it would depend on what the people are saying the town needs, wouldn't it? If they're saying the town needs, say, a Starbucks, or a restaurant with a higher Michelin rating, well we might agree to disagree, but that is certainly a desire for something that is in the nature of capitalism and could fill a niche, if the need were there and a Starbucks or a restaurant could actually make a go of it.

On the other hand, if the newcomers are saying the town needs the town council to step up and take action... Or do something that infringes on peoples rights... Maybe less open carry of firearms. or less four wheel drive vehicles. Maybe mandate more electric vehicle charging stations. Then it might be a problem, don't you think?

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1 hour ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

California does not have the money for this!

 

That hasn't stopped our Legislature before....except for funding infrastructure.  The necessary things that benefit everyone can get cut to the bone, heck cut to the marrow, but social engineering programs that benefit very few get massive funding.

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10 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

Well stated.  But keep in mind the people leaving are not the ones to be worried about.   They are neither societal parasites, nor woke.  

 

I wish I could agree with you.  MOST of us leaving now are or will be refugees.  But the history of people leaving California seems to be (broad brush) a large number of well off leftists who want to move out of cesspools like San Francisco Bay Area or the Los Angeles area, so they can go somewhere less crowded and "experience nature" but with all the amenities of big city life.  Then are appalled to see that not everyone shares their delicate and sophisticated social sensibilities, and start pushing, and pushing loudly, to change the laws to conform to what they fled.   And so the cancer spreads.

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Just now, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Five part series.  First three are pretty good.  The last two kind of overdo it.

I LOVED the BBQ.

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eventually this will come down to a federal bailout and time for the other 49 to secede from that union , they are totally nuts and time to incrassate them - lets build a wall - hire more ba=boarder patrol 

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There is nobody living today who owned any of the slaves of that period in history.  Quite probably, fewer than half of the people who live here today even have ancestors who owned those slaves!  Fewer still were even involved in the slave trade.

 

If “reparations” are due, why aren’t those who captured and sold those people into bondage and THEIR descendants also made responsible for those “reparations”.

 

My grandparents on my father’s side came to this country at the end of the 19th century!  They had never owned slaves.  My mother’s folks never owned slaves and some of them walked the “Trail of Tears”!

 

if we start offering “reparations” to everyone who was ever mistreated, we’ll be swapping money back and forth and there’ll be no end to it. 
 

FINALLY! It will profit no one in the long run.  That sort of largesse will mostly be wasted.  It will come from the pockets of people who don’t owe it and be handed over to people who have done nothing to deserve it nor did they suffer any direct harm from the period.

 

The entire point of this garbage is to attempt to “redistribute wealth”, an idea that will only move that “wealth” away from hard working people who have earned it.  That money, for the most part, will get wasted by those who receive it because they don’t value it.


It will end up in the pockets of the wealthy who will just become more wealthy.  

 

Those who propose this only do so to garner favor with the voters who are happy to be given something for nothing!!

 

 

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1 hour ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

There is nobody living today who owned any of the slaves of that period in history.  Quite probably, fewer than half of the people who live here today even have ancestors who owned those slaves!  Fewer still were even involved in the slave trade.

 

If “reparations” are due, why aren’t those who captured and sold those people into bondage and THEIR descendants also made responsible for those “reparations”.

 

My grandparents on my father’s side came to this country at the end of the 19th century!  They had never owned slaves.  My mother’s folks never owned slaves and some of them walked the “Trail of Tears”!

 

if we start offering “reparations” to everyone who was ever mistreated, we’ll be swapping money back and forth and there’ll be no end to it. 
 

FINALLY! It will profit no one in the long run.  That sort of largesse will mostly be wasted.  It will come from the pockets of people who don’t owe it and be handed over to people who have done nothing to deserve it nor did they suffer any direct harm from the period.

 

The entire point of this garbage is to attempt to “redistribute wealth”, an idea that will only move that “wealth” away from hard working people who have earned it.  That money, for the most part, will get wasted by those who receive it because they don’t value it.


It will end up in the pockets of the wealthy who will just become more wealthy.  

 

Those who propose this only do so to garner favor with the voters who are happy to be given something for nothing!!

 

 

Well said. 

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As to reparations:  they should only be paid to actual slaves.
Not their descendants, their estate, nor their lawyers.
Payment should be made in currency of the times:  Confederate.


The repeal of Prop 13 will be what drives us from CA.
When they jack my property taxes up from $895/year to $16,600/year (again) we will throw in the towel.

I figure to move anywhere where the crowd is not going:  no ID, no TX, no FL, no TN.

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3 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

 

If “reparations” are due, why aren’t those who captured and sold those people into bondage and THEIR descendants also made responsible for those “reparations”.

 

Good post, thank you.

Why not go after the first links in the slave trade?

 

First, because those tribes that captured and sold blacks as slaves are now in s**thole nations that have a GNP less than Bakersfield CA.

Second, because the slavers to whom they were sold are mostly Mohammedan Arab nations that don't give half a hoot about anyone else.

Third, the slave trade is still going on with the same nation states carrying it on.

 

3 hours ago, Blackwater 53393 said:

They had never owned slaves.  My mother’s folks never owned slaves and some of them walked the “Trail of Tears”!

 

If your ancestors walked "The Trail of Tears" there is a chance that they were slave owners. https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/concepts-african-american-history/trail-of-tears-1831-1850/

 

https://www.npr.org/2011/09/19/140594124/u-s-government-opposes-cherokee-nations-decision

 

To quote Pvt. Jones, 716 in Zulu, "Confusing isn't it, Dutchy?"

 

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4 minutes ago, bgavin said:

Payment should be made in currency of the times:  Confederate

 

Some States that stayed in the Union were slave states.  And virtually every slave ship was financed, built, provisioned, crewed, commanded, and supplied trade goods by northerners.

 

Even into the late 1850s slave ships were putting out from New York.  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/when-new-york-became-americas-last-slave-trading-port-cuban-spy-tried-stop-it-180977178/

 

Heck, Faneuil Hall, that bastion and symbol of freedom was built by money earned in connection with slaving. Almost all of the New England "Old Money" families had strong connections to slaving.  

 

 

 

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Sad to say, there is a high percentage of leftist voters in the ID panhandle.  They drove the property values through the roof and a 30% turnout for Biden.  
 

I see them as “missionaries”

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1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

 

 

If your ancestors walked "The Trail of Tears" there is a chance that they were slave owners.

 


I don’t go in for the ancestry/family tree stuff, but my sister is absolutely nuts about that stuff.

 

Her research revealed no slave owners in that side of the family.  How accurate that research is would be a matter of conjecture, but she worked in state government in a records and statistics capacity for some years…

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56 minutes ago, Blackwater 53393 said:


I don’t go in for the ancestry/family tree stuff, but my sister is absolutely nuts about that stuff.

 

Her research revealed no slave owners in that side of the family.  How accurate that research is would be a matter of conjecture, but she worked in state government in a records and statistics capacity for some years…

 

My point was that Native Americans, some of them, did hold slaves, that black slaves owned by Native Americans also walked the Trail of Tears.  It's one of the Things We Don't Talk About when discussing US history.  

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This reparations thing is talked about now and then for the whole country. My grandparents came here in 1900 from Italy, My second set of grandparents came here in 1911. We never owned slaves why should we pay?? This is a bunch of bull$&@“

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