Birdley123 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Hi there, I’m not new to reloading but am new to shotshell reloading. As such I’m looking for hulls/wad combos suitable for 00buck (home defense) Any info will be much appreciated ! thanks, birdley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I have read that some suggest just using 7 1/2 shot for home defense. 00buck can possibly shoot thru walls. At home distances a trap load is devastating. Also, 00buck most likely will penetrate thru a body, trap load with 7 1/2 not as likely to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I can’t help with a load as I only load light loads for CAS but I would recommend buying factory loads for home defense. If you have to use it a gung ho prosecutor could use that against you. “You weren’t satisfied with available ammunition so you had to load your own KILLER shells?” I’ve been able to get 00 Buck at a good price, just watch for sales. JMHO Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 A gung ho prosecutor will try to blame everything on you. He could just as easily say using a killer 12 ga. Use factory or load your own. If its a good shoot it isn't going to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 45 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: I can’t help with a load as I only load light loads for CAS but I would recommend buying factory loads for home defense. If you have to use it a gung ho prosecutor could use that against you. “You weren’t satisfied with available ammunition so you had to load your own KILLER shells?” I’ve been able to get 00 Buck at a good price, just watch for sales. JMHO Randy I have heard this reasoning for using factory ammo several times. Don't know how true it is, but I heard although this has been repeated often, there is no known case of a prosecutor going after someone for their hand loaded ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 But, why chance it. We aren't criminals, so will likely get hung for any little thing they can find. And God help ya if the perp lives. Always remember, it's the "criminal justice" system, not the victims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, Slapshot said: A gung ho prosecutor will try to blame everything on you. He could just as easily say using a killer 12 ga. Use factory or load your own. If its a good shoot it isn't going to matter. 7 minutes ago, Jeb Stuart #65654 said: I have heard this reasoning for using factory ammo several times. Don't know how true it is, but I heard although this has been repeated often, there is no known case of a prosecutor going after someone for their hand loaded ammo. In this day and age no more than a box of 00 Buck cost I'll buy mine but to each his own and good luck. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdley123 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 While these replies make sense , I do plan on going to the range and shooting some targets for fun or to a farm… I’m not only wanting to reload for my home’s defense. Hopefully that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, Birdley123 said: While these replies make sense , I do plan on going to the range and shooting some targets for fun or to a farm… I’m not only wanting to reload for my home’s defense. Hopefully that makes sense Check out FortuneCookie45LC on YouTube. He does a lot with 12-guage reloading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 I prefer number 4 buck to 00 buck. Better coverage in the pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdley123 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 22 minutes ago, Old Man Graybeard said: I prefer number 4 buck to 00 buck. Better coverage in the pattern Interesting, I’ll have to look into that more, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdley123 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 While I’m at it, does anyone have a good source for 12ga. hulls? I’m not picky! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 If it won't go through drywall how do you expect it to stop a threat? #4 buck is as low as I'd go. If you would t shoot a deer with it probably won't drop a human Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Use factory birdshot loads. Never use reloads for 2 legged SD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdley123 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 38 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Use factory birdshot loads. Never use reloads for 2 legged SD. Birdshot? For a more than likely armed 2 legged intruder? No thanks, I want something that will stop the threat with a high level of finality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 #4 buck shot will kill a big Alberta White Tail if you keep shots under 35 yards... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 16 minutes ago, Birdley123 said: Birdshot? For a more than likely armed 2 legged intruder? No thanks, I want something that will stop the threat with a high level of finality As a former LEO, I've seen what it does within a room. Instant DOA. Plus, you don't put others at risk from over penetration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Birdley123 said: Hi there, I’m not new to reloading but am new to shotshell reloading. As such I’m looking for hulls/wad combos suitable for 00buck (home defense) Any info will be much appreciated ! thanks, birdley Get ahold of a Lyman shotgun reloading manual. You'll get more info than you thought you needed! I've loaded some #4 buckshot shells based on the Lyman book using hulls that I deemed to be not good enough for CAS loads using IMR 700-X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Itchy Trigger Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 hours ago, Jeb Stuart #65654 said: I have heard this reasoning for using factory ammo several times. Don't know how true it is, but I heard although this has been repeated often, there is no known case of a prosecutor going after someone for their hand loaded ammo. I was surprised that the sniper’s from the local police swat team used factory loads. I was told that each bullet fired had a little lawyer riding on it and any inaccuracies from factory ammo was.easily made up in potential courtroom headaches that “police-made” ammo would create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Birdley123 said: Birdshot? For a more than likely armed 2 legged intruder? No thanks, I want something that will stop the threat with a high level of finality A thought for the discussion… Have you ever patterned a 1-1/8oz load of 7.5 shot at a 10’ distance? You basically have 492 grains of pure lead at 1000+fps that has pre-expanded to about 1.5” diameter as it hits the target and starts doing damage. Compare that to a 45ACP throwing 230 grain at 850-ish fps. It hits with a .45” sized hole and you hope it expands some before exiting. It’s your house, and 00 buck will certainly do the job, but I wouldn’t write off a good ol’ trap load for home defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 15 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: But, why chance it. We aren't criminals, so will likely get hung for any little thing they can find. And God help ya if the perp lives. Always remember, it's the "criminal justice" system, not the victims. Why then are you chancing even shooting them? 15 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: In this day and age no more than a box of 00 Buck cost I'll buy mine but to each his own and good luck. Randy I don't live my life in fear of what if. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I'm currently loading #2 buck in 12ga 2 /34" hulls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 FBI study says #1 Buck is the most devastating for sheer damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Slim Chance Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I weighed out 9 - 00 buck pellets and then referred to my reloading guide on powder charge for appropriate weight shot charge. Stacked the 9 pellets in a regular shot cup and crimped it closed. I did get better crimps if I used an overshot card, and it didn't seem to negatively affect the patterns. I chose to do this back in the depths of COVID, as there were no buckshot loads to be had back then. Since then I've laid in a sufficient stock of factory loads for intended uses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 17 hours ago, Texas Joker said: If it won't go through drywall how do you expect it to stop a threat? #4 buck is as low as I'd go. If you would t shoot a deer with it probably won't drop a human Smaller pellets lose their energy faster, so by the time they go thru two sheets of drywall, insulation, and maybe external shooting they are going to be spent. Those items won't do much to slow down a large pellet. Just think about the light loads we use in cowboy and how well they flatten metal targets at 15 feet, don't you think they would also have a devastating effect on a human? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 12 minutes ago, Jeb Stuart #65654 said: Smaller pellets lose their energy faster, so by the time they go thru two sheets of drywall, insulation, and maybe external shooting they are going to be spent. Those items won't do much to slow down a large pellet. Just think about the light loads we use in cowboy and how well they flatten metal targets at 15 feet, don't you think they would also have a devastating effect on a human? No I don't think they will. Been documented over the years that birdshot is a poor man stopper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Slapshot said: No I don't think they will. Been documented over the years that birdshot is a poor man stopper. The ones I saw hit with bird shot. Couldn't say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Capstick was a believer in #4 Buck for Leopards, not an easy animal to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 In close contact a blank will drop a human as well as a .177 co2 driven pellet. I don't plan on using either as my prefferred home defense round. Look up the box o truth. Birdshot is for birds. Know your fire zones, know what's beyond your target. Bring enough gun. if you are shooting at people you've already brought lethal force to the equation, why use something on purpose that MIGHT stop the threat. If you wouldn't ethically shoot a deer with for a quick kill why count on it to protect your domicile and family? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdley123 Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, Texas Joker said: In close contact a blank will drop a human as well as a .177 co2 driven pellet. I don't plan on using either as my prefferred home defense round. Look up the box o truth. Birdshot is for birds. Know your fire zones, know what's beyond your target. Bring enough gun. if you are shooting at people you've already brought lethal force to the equation, why use something on purpose that MIGHT stop the threat. If you wouldn't ethically shoot a deer with for a quick kill why count on it to protect your domicile and family? …well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 45 minutes ago, Texas Joker said: In close contact a blank will drop a human as well as a .177 co2 driven pellet. I don't plan on using either as my prefferred home defense round. Look up the box o truth. Birdshot is for birds. Know your fire zones, know what's beyond your target. Bring enough gun. if you are shooting at people you've already brought lethal force to the equation, why use something on purpose that MIGHT stop the threat. If you wouldn't ethically shoot a deer with for a quick kill why count on it to protect your domicile and family? I don't shoot deer at 20 feet, but that would be my longest shot in my home. Cowboys shooting a stage often forget or get rattled when the buzzer goes off, an armed person in your home, you're trying to protect your family and you're going to be calm enough to think about your fire zones? Sometimes it's a little hard to get the intruder to move to a safe position so you can shoot. I think I would use the same principle on and intruder as I do shotgun targets, shoot till their down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdley123 Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 On 11/28/2022 at 6:59 PM, Birdley123 said: While I’m at it, does anyone have a good source for 12ga. hulls? I’m not picky! …anyone??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, Birdley123 said: …anyone??? Buy some factory Win AA and/or Rem STS, shoot ‘em, save the hulls. Unless you’re planning for an apocalypse, you won’t need many for buckshot loads. I go bucket diving after a match for once-fired hulls. AAs are more common than STS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 46 minutes ago, Birdley123 said: …anyone??? BPI or grab at a range. There's always a bunch thrown out at matches as well. https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Federal-Top-Gun-12ga-2-3_4-once-fired-color-mixed-bag_100/productinfo/FED1FTGM/ They have others, this was the first that showed in stock. I get my Rem. STI hulls from them when in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 6 hours ago, Jeb Stuart #65654 said: I don't shoot deer at 20 feet, but that would be my longest shot in my home. Cowboys shooting a stage often forget or get rattled when the buzzer goes off, an armed person in your home, you're trying to protect your family and you're going to be calm enough to think about your fire zones? Sometimes it's a little hard to get the intruder to move to a safe position so you can shoot. I think I would use the same principle on and intruder as I do shotgun targets, shoot till their down. Better have lots of birdshot then, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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