Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I am curious if anyone has been using the powder coated bullets using real BP and if you found any issues with that. I got 500 44-40 bullets and were curious if anyone has had any issues, or should I save them for smokeless. Hochbauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I would not hesitate to use them in a handgun at SASS distances. I have used bullets greased with crayon-type wax lube and completely unlubricated bullets in handguns without issue. However, if I were to load them for rifle ammo, I would definitely fill the lube grooves with a black powder compatible lubricant. This opinion only concerns real black powder, not synthetic or the substitute stuff. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I have used Bear Creek Supply moly coated in my OMV .44 and Marlin 94 for many years with BP. No issues at all.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I shoot with a Pard that used them in his rifle. Claims no issue thru 6 stages, then he cleans the barrel for the next day. No personal experience however. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I shoot GOEX with Slippery Coated Bullets in my revolvers and have not had any issues. I tried dipping every other bullet in Crisco for two matches just to see if it made a difference. I could not see the benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 In your pistols you'll never have problems if you put a little dab of BP compatible lube on the exposed part of the bullet of the first round fired out of each pistol every stage. No need to glob it on just put a small amount on the bullet as you insert it or wipe a little into that chamber before you insert the first round. In your rifle it depends a lot on the on the weather, how long your barrel is, and how clean the powder you are using is. I know of one person that was using powder coated bullets and adding a BP compatible lube to the lube grooves of the bullets as part of his reloading process. Seems like a lot of work to me. I can say that at some matches he had no issues and at others he was having lots of problems with his rifle. Were it me I would save them for smokeless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkey Flats Jack Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I've used them a few times in pistols and real bp. They're not bad but does require a little extra work cleaning up. Not much but seems to me that the fouling is a bit harder than with bp lubed lead bullets. I've never used coated bullets in my rifle so idk on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitterroot Jak Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I've fired thousands through my 66s with real black and never had a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 13 minutes ago, Bitterroot Jak said: I've fired thousands through my 66s with real black and never had a problem. Are you lubing the bullets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 Posted October 21, 2022 Author Share Posted October 21, 2022 I was not planning on lubing the bullets. But that is why I posted this to get info. Are you lubing the bullets . I am also shooting a 66 with 24" barrel in 44wcf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Dust SASS 75484 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I asked the same question before and most everyone said NO. I did not try and get lubed bullets with BP lube from Missouri Bullet Co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackalope Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Again, just my opinion and my experience... I've been shooting a 24 inch 44-40 with real black powder for about seven years and a 24 inch .45 Colt prior to that. After three or so stages with dry bullets or wax lube, neither of them would keep ten shots on a paper plate at ten yards. My rifles just don't work well without a generous amount of black powder-appropriate lubricant. Others here have no complaints. Just give them a try without lube. If they suit you, then you're in tall cotton. If not, grease 'em up and you're still in tall cotton! Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Also some shooters use a boresnake after every stage and spritz with moosemilk, ballistol or whatever they use. Along with wiping the cylinder face regularly. With good black powder lubed bullets that hold enough lube you don't need to do any of that for a 5-6 stage day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I. M. Crossdraw, SASS# 8321 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 You could use grease wads, that's what I use if they are coated bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Jackalope said: Again, just my opinion and my experience... I've been shooting a 24 inch 44-40 with real black powder for about seven years and a 24 inch .45 Colt prior to that. After three or so stages with dry bullets or wax lube, neither of them would keep ten shots on a paper plate at ten yards. My rifles just don't work well without a generous amount of black powder-appropriate lubricant. Others here have no complaints. Just give them a try without lube. If they suit you, then you're in tall cotton. If not, grease 'em up and you're still in tall cotton! Good luck! This has been my experience too. When I used anything but Big Lube bullets or a grease cookie, accuracy went down the toilet fast. But I say to try them yourself. Your mileage may vary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 If you wouldn't lube them with smokeless, changing to BP ought not affect their performance. In a rifle I'd want a lube cookie to keep the fouling soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted October 22, 2022 Share Posted October 22, 2022 Thinking we are mixing up lubed vs coated bullets. Using a non-petroleum based "lubed" bullet is recommended...coated/non-coated bullets seem to be fine. GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palo Alto Kid Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I’ve had no issues with coated bullets and BP whatsoever. I also quit lubing poly-coated bullets some time ago. My routine for a typical six-stage match, is as follows: -High quality, clean burning BP and that would be Swiss. When shooting Swiss, particularly 3F, barrel fouling is not significant, even after two or three stages. -Full case .38 Special with no filler and tight crimp which creates enough pressure to seal cases and minimize blow by. -After third stage, pull Vaquero cylinders and wipe face and forcing cone down, squirt Ballistol/water mix down barrel followed with bore snake and a touch of Ballistol on cylinder pin and face; for my Piettas with tighter cylinder gaps, it’s every second stage in dry climates as they start to bind a bit sooner. -Same barrel/snake routine for 1873-not concerned about precision accuracy at CAS ranges-then spray Ballistol on carrier/action after each stage. -Have a rag handy to quickly wipe down pistols and clean the slippery mess off your hands….. This has worked for me from the hot, humid Gulf Coast to the hot, dry Nevada desert. It seemed like I ended up following this routine even when using coated bullets I lubed/loaded so I just dropped that step from the process. Make smoke and have fun shooting those pretty colored bullets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitterroot Jak Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Sorry it's been a while. I shoot 44-40s in 1866 carbines and squirt ballistol in the barrel and action before the match and have never lubed the poly coated bullets, I've shot 8 stages in one day without any problems. If its a multi day shoot I always clean all my guns. I shoot 44 cap and ball with crisco on top of the balls. I never use lube pad in my bullets only Swiss Black... Enjoy Outlaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted November 8, 2022 Share Posted November 8, 2022 As others have said just use a lube cookie under under ya' lead & alls good... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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