Rex M Rugers #6621 Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 17 minutes ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: No doubt sufficient for our distances. Old habits are hard to shed sometimes for me in my accuracy desires. And, my 4.25" barrel revolvers may have just not liked the TB as much as yours.. Certainly the ability to verify levels is a plus for TB, and not for 3 grains of Clays.. Yes, I have read of unburned powder in Clays use and see the hint of it on occasions with 105s.. I would like to try some Clay Dot some time but for now have a supply of Clays to do around 20K rounds which should get me into next summer. Good shooting. At the rate I currently shoot , 20K would just about get me to my 100th birthday. Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted October 7, 2018 Share Posted October 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Rex M Rugers #6621 said: At the rate I currently shoot , 20K would just about get me to my 100th birthday. Rex You probably shot more in IHMSA than CAS....but younger then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 Powder Cartridge Bullet Wtin Gn Bullet Max Charge (Gn) Velocity OAL Pressure Primer Load Source Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 125 125 GR. HDY XTP 4.6 1010 1.45 15600 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 140 140 GR. HDY XTP 4.2 919 1.45 15800 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 148 148 GR. HDY LHBWC 3.3 908 1.16 11800 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 158 158 GR. HDY XTP 3.9 798 1.45 15900 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 90 90 GR. CAST LRNFP 3.5 969 1.32 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 110 110 GR. HDY XTP 4.8 1109 1.45 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 125 125 GR. CAST LRNFP 3.8 985 1.44 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 125 125 GR. HDY XTP 4.6 1010 1.45 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 130 130 GR. MEI CAST LRNFP 4.2 1018 1.46 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 135 135 GR. CAST LRNFP 3.6 927 1.41 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 38 Special - 110gr bullet loading data: 2400 From 10.0 grains to 10.1 grains CCI-550 Primer 3N-37 From 6.8 grains to 8.4 grains CCI-550 Primer 700-X From 3.7 grains to 5.5 grains CCI-550 Primer 800-X From 6.2 grains to 7.2 grains CCI-550 Primer AA-2 From 4.5 grains to 5.8 grains CCI-550 Primer AA-5 From 5.8 grains to 9.3 grains CCI-550 Primer AL-7 From 9.0 grains to 9.8 grains CCI-550 Primer American Select From 4.0 grains to 4.4 grains CCI-550 Primer AP-70N From 4.6 grains to 6.0 grains CCI-550 Primer AS-30N From 3.2 grains to 4.2 grains CCI-550 Primer Blue Dot From 7.8 grains to 11.3 grains CCI-550 Primer Bullseye From 3.4 grains to 6.0 grains CCI-550 Primer Clays From 4.0 grains to 4.2 grains CCI-550 Primer Green Dot From 4.5 grains to 4.8 grains CCI-550 Primer Herco From 4.6 grains to 8.2 grains CCI-550 Primer HP-38 From 4.2 grains to 6.0 grains CCI-550 Primer HS-6 From 6.3 grains to 9.8 grains CCI-550 Primer HS-7 From 10.2 grains to 11.2 grains CCI-550 Primer IMR-4227 From 13.9 grains to 14.2 grains CCI-550 Primer Longshot From 6.6 grains to 7.6 grains CCI-550 Primer N-100 From 4.0 grains to 4.4 grains CCI-550 Primer N-320 From 4.5 grains to 6.4 grains CCI-550 Primer N-340 From 5.5 grains to 7.3 grains CCI-550 Primer N-350 From 7.1 grains to 8.0 grains CCI-550 Primer N-1020 From 11.6 grains to 12.6 grains CCI-550 Primer PB From 4.6 grains to 8.5 grains CCI-550 Primer Power Pistol From 5.6 grains to 7.5 grains CCI-550 Primer Red Dot From 3.2 grains to 4.7 grains CCI-550 Primer S-1000 From 4.0 grains to 4.4 grains CCI-550 Primer SR-4756 From 5.8 grains to 7.5 grains CCI-550 Primer SR-7625 From 5.1 grains to 5.5 grains CCI-550 Primer Titegroup From 4.0 grains to 5.4 grains CCI-550 Primer Trap-100 From 4.2 grains to 5.2 grains CCI-550 Primer True Blue From 6.8 grains to 7.1 grains CCI-550 Primer Unique From 4.6 grains to 7.5 grains CCI-550 Primer Universal From 4.0 grains to 6.3 grains CCI-550 Primer W-231 From 4.4 grains to 6.3 grains CCI-550 Primer W-540 From 8.2 grains to 8.7 grains CCI-550 Primer W-630 From 12.1 grains to 13.6 grains CCI-550 Primer WAP From 6.8 grains to 7.3 grains CCI-550 Primer WSF From 5.2 grains to 6.0 grains CCI-550 Primer ZIP From 5.2 grains to 5.6 grains CCI-550 Primer VARIOUS WEIGHT BULLETS LOADING DATA .... http://stevespages.com/357p_7.html Copyright 1998-2014 Stephen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 I thought this thread was about YOUR favorite 38 load... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted October 8, 2018 Author Share Posted October 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: I thought this thread was about YOUR favorite 38 load... It was. But hand wringing is running a bit rampant right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted October 8, 2018 Share Posted October 8, 2018 11 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: I thought this thread was about YOUR favorite 38 load... As usual, some people don't really READ what the OP is all about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Arrow Hombre Posted October 9, 2018 Share Posted October 9, 2018 On 10/7/2018 at 9:28 PM, John Boy said: Powder Cartridge Bullet Wtin Gn Bullet Max Charge (Gn) Velocity OAL Pressure Primer Load Source Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 125 125 GR. HDY XTP 4.6 1010 1.45 15600 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 140 140 GR. HDY XTP 4.2 919 1.45 15800 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 148 148 GR. HDY LHBWC 3.3 908 1.16 11800 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 158 158 GR. HDY XTP 3.9 798 1.45 15900 hodgdon Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 90 90 GR. CAST LRNFP 3.5 969 1.32 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 110 110 GR. HDY XTP 4.8 1109 1.45 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 125 125 GR. CAST LRNFP 3.8 985 1.44 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 125 125 GR. HDY XTP 4.6 1010 1.45 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 130 130 GR. MEI CAST LRNFP 4.2 1018 1.46 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Hodgdon Titegroup 38 Special 135 135 GR. CAST LRNFP 3.6 927 1.41 Hodgdon Web - Pistol data Why are you posting data for jacketed bullets? That could confuse new shooters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Quote Why are you posting data for jacketed bullets? That could confuse new shooters. Why? Because all tables are prepared for jacket & lead bullets that are used in different shooting disciplines . And as you say, 'could confuse new shooters' ... if they don't know the difference between a HDY XTP and a LRNFP bullet, then they should be banned from RELOADING , PERIOD, or enroll in one of the NRA RELOADING COURSES before they ever post ' what's the best load' on the SASS WIRE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 1 hour ago, John Boy said: Why? Because all tables are prepared for jacket & lead bullets that are used in different shooting disciplines . And as you say, 'could confuse new shooters' ... if they don't know the difference between a HDY XTP and a LRNFP bullet, then they should be banned from RELOADING , PERIOD, or enroll in one of the NRA RELOADING COURSES before they ever post ' what's the best load' on the SASS WIRE Bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I use to shoot lighter stuff like 2.8 grains of clays under a 105....then I kept the light loads in the pistols and used nickel brass as an identifier and 3.6 grains/105 of Clays for the rifle with brass cases since they tend to split less. I really good shooter talked me outta' the light stuff and now I just shoot 4 grs of Clean shot and a 105. No knock down loads needed or rifle pistols stuff etc.....they get down range quick and really ring the steel. IMHO you get use to the recoil and it's not an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 10 hours ago, John Boy said: Why? Because all tables are prepared for jacket & lead bullets that are used in different shooting disciplines . And as you say, 'could confuse new shooters' ... if they don't know the difference between a HDY XTP and a LRNFP bullet, then they should be banned from RELOADING , PERIOD, or enroll in one of the NRA RELOADING COURSES before they ever post ' what's the best load' on the SASS WIRE "Sometimes, the amount of self control it takes to not say what's on my mind is so exhausting that I need a nap afterwards." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 11:10 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said: As usual, some people don't really READ what the OP is all about! Get a Dillion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cemetery Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 On 10/8/2018 at 7:09 AM, Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 said: It was. But hand wringing is running a bit rampant right now. Could be getting close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 2.8 gr Hodgdon TiteGroup Fed Primer 127 gr RNFP Badman O.A.L. 1.50 650 fps 122 ft lbs energy 4.5” barrel Sometimes I load 3.2 gr Hodgdon HP38 Fed Primer 127 gr RNFP Badman O.A.L. 1.50 657 fps 125 ft lbs energy 4.5” barrel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/7/2018 at 11:15 PM, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: I thought this thread was about YOUR favorite 38 load... Some folks are like politicians...…...lol. They'll make SURE they tell you what yer' favorite load is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Howdy ; Fill the case with a drop tube to the point where the 158 gr RNFP compresses the Goex, 3F 1/8 of an inch when seated to 1.54 ... I use bullets cast 1-22 tin -lead lubed with SPG, Lyman Gold ,DGL or the like ... I have been using Winchester primers as that is what I have the most of , I think primers are not an issue one way or the other as long as they Go bang... Mostly I use .38-40, .44 Spl. and .45 Colt loaded in like mannor , using soft cast bullets of 181 grains in .38-40, 220 to 240 grains in .44 special and 255 to 270 grains in .45 Colt .... All loads exceed the smoke standard by a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Gun Cole Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 I use a 105 poly coat bullet with either 3.6 grains of N-320 or 2.7 grains of Clays 38 special brass For pistol I like 2.2 grains of N-310 in 38 short colt brass and the 105 grain polymer bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 .38 special 2.7 of Clays under a 125 grain TCFP. .32 2.2 of Clays under a 100 grain RNFP. Both crimped in the groove and with either Federal or Federal Magnum primers (whatever I have handy). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Oh sure, give us a .32 load. Not looking at the OP I see. Bull to you... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff Langston Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 My .38 Special. 3.5 grains of Trail Boss behind a 125 grain Chey Cast TCFP coated bullet. Minimum 1.450 OAL. Federal primers. This is both for my Ruger revolvers and Uberti '73 rifle. Had no problems with the rifle feeding or knockdown targets. Don't own a chronograph. I try to stick with Starline brass for match ammo. Not sure this is the best for what we do, however it's been good for me. Sheriff Langston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 32 minutes ago, Three Gun Cole said: I use a 105 poly coat bullet with either 3.6 grains of N-320 or 2.7 grains of Clays 38 special brass For pistol I like 2.2 grains of N-310 in 38 short colt brass and the 105 grain polymer bullet 20 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: .38 special 2.7 of Clays under a 125 grain TCFP. .32 2.2 of Clays under a 100 grain RNFP. Both crimped in the groove and with either Federal or Federal Magnum primers (whatever I have handy). Morning C & B....I know you both shoot a tad longer barrel revolvers than I, but about what is your norm in velocity with the 2.7 gr Clays on 105 or 125 respectively? I run 2.9 to 3 with coated 105s and 125s. Suspecting you get around 620-635 fps, is that about right...according to barrel length versus my 4.25", you may get a little more. Just wondering. I think I would get a little unburned powder and dirtier cases with 2.7 on 105, maybe not so much with 125. 135 and 147s with 2.7 would probably be fine as with 2.9 but there is a smidget more of felt recoil as duelist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 38 minutes ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: Morning C & B....I know you both shoot a tad longer barrel revolvers than I, but about what is your norm in velocity with the 2.7 gr Clays on 105 or 125 respectively? I run 2.9 to 3 with coated 105s and 125s. Suspecting you get around 620-635 fps, is that about right...according to barrel length versus my 4.25", you may get a little more. Just wondering. I think I would get a little unburned powder and dirtier cases with 2.7 on 105, maybe not so much with 125. 135 and 147s with 2.7 would probably be fine as with 2.9 but there is a smidget more of felt recoil as duelist. Hi Billy, I shoot 4.62 Vaqueros and an 18.5 inch Uberti. The only time I chronographed these loads the pistols were at about 570 fps and the rifle around 590 fps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 17 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Hi Billy, I shoot 4.62 Vaqueros and an 18.5 inch Uberti. The only time I chronographed these loads the pistols were at about 570 fps and the rifle around 590 fps. thanks....lower than I expected but still a very respectable PF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 The Power factor on my .45 Colt load in my pistols is 249.48 ..... And my .38-40 load has a PF. of 231.68 in my 66 And my pistols in .44 spl. have a PF of 211.20 And my .38 spl. have a power factor of 147.57 Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said: The Power factor on my .45 Colt load in my pistols is 249.48 ..... And my .38-40 load has a PF. of 231.68 in my 66 And my pistols in .44 spl. have a PF of 211.20 And my .38 spl. have a power factor of 147.57 Jabez Cowboy Which is too high for this game. Serves no purpose other than beats the bujuses out of club targets. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Phantom these loads duplicate the loads shot by REAL Cowboys in the 1880 - 1908 time frame ,,,,,,, And they ain't hurt any of our targets .... Soft Lead ... And the REAL powder .. Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said: Phantom these loads duplicate the loads shot by REAL Cowboys in the 1880 - 1908 time frame ,,,,,,, And they ain't hurt any of our targets .... Soft Lead ... And the REAL powder .. Jabez Cowboy This isn't real life back in the late 19th century... This is CAS. And yes it does affect the targets. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 34 minutes ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said: The Power factor on my .45 Colt load in my pistols is 249.48 ..... And my .38-40 load has a PF. of 231.68 in my 66 And my pistols in .44 spl. have a PF of 211.20 And my .38 spl. have a power factor of 147.57 Jabez Cowboy If my math is right those bullets are moving purty fast. For the .45 Colt what grain bullet are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 270 gr. in .45 Colt All loads are with SASS guidelines ... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 Probably real BP too, not a substitute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said: 270 gr. in .45 Colt All loads are with SASS guidelines ... Jabez Cowboy Didn't say they were illegal, just that they beat the crap outta targets... Something about mass... velocity... energy... But some folks don't care. Cheers! Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buzzard Bayne Posted October 31, 2018 Share Posted October 31, 2018 My favorite 38 Special load is: 3.7 grains of Titegroup, 125 RNFP from Georgia Arms, Winchester small pistol primer, Starline Brass, LOA 1.45 What I like about this load is the consistency. Here are the results from 4 strings of 5 rounds in each pistol and rifle. Pistols are 5.5-inch Uberti Running Irons: average 829 fps with a 6.55 standard deviation and 15 fps extreme spread. Rifle is Uberti 1873 20-inch barrel: average 1045 fps with a 10.12 standard deviation and 24 fps extreme spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 On 10/6/2018 at 12:59 PM, chestnut louie said: I use 125 grain TC bullets and CLAYS powder. Hodgdons web site says to use between 2.5 and 3.5 grains in a 38 special case and regular small pistol primers. I have been using exactly the middle load of powder but get unburnt powder??? If I go up a bit I get less unburnt powder and some more recoil. I used to shoot a lot of Clays and I can't tell the difference in recoil between midpoint at 3.0 and say, 3.25. Is your difference in perceived recoil uncomfortable or does it adversely affect regaining your sight picture & grip for the next shot? If not, don't worry about it. I experienced the same thing about unburnt powder and just upped my load until it stopped. Never did get close to max load. I found Clays to be temperature sensitive in the cooler/cold months and switched to 4.3gr of HP-38/Win 231. A nice mid range load with a 125 gr TC bullet. Soft recoil (to me) but with enough oomph for knockdowns at our range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 1, 2018 Share Posted November 1, 2018 Full cases of 2f black powder in: .45 CS case w/180 Big Lube RNFP .38 SP case w/125 Big Lube RNFP .44-40 case w/200 Big Lube RNFP 24 gr spout w/.454 lead ball Smokeless .45 CS case w/170 RNFP over 4.0 gr Trailboss .38 sp case w/125 TC over 4.3 gr HP-38/Win 231 .44-40 case w/200 gr RNFP over 6.0 Trailboss .45 ACP case w/200 gr LRNFP over 4.6 HP-38 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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