Buckshot Bear Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 ADI Propellent Update FYI (not sure if this has already been posted but its damn good news!) - https://www.adiworldclass.com.au/2024/08/22/propellant-update-2/ 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Thank Goodness they did include Trail Boss ....... 🙃 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 So if I expect to make a massive amount of money off of this, I need to sell my bottle of Trail Boss quickly? 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Not to be “that guy”, but I wouldn’t believe it until I saw it. Once made it’ll probably take 6 months before most folks see it on their store shelves or online. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 11 minutes ago, Pat Riot said: Not to be “that guy”, but I wouldn’t believe it until I saw it. Once made it’ll probably take 6 months before most folks see it on their store shelves or online. If it comes back at all. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Translated to US powder names AR2208 Varget AR2209 IMR 4350 – We have these propellants represented through the different stages of manufacture almost constantly. AR2213SC H4831SC AR2217 H1000 AR2218 H50BMG AR2219 H322 AR2225 Retumbo – Is typically made multiple times a year. Benchmark 2 Benchmark – These propellants only account for a small proportion of our annual demand and are currently in production. We endeavour to make them in line with market demand. Trail Boss AR2205 H4227 AR2206(H) BL-C(2) AR2207 H4198 – These propellants only account for a small proportion of our annual demand. Manufacturing is scheduled for late 2024/early 2025. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 It's getting to be late 2024, heading for early 2025!! Hopefully I can hang on a little longer for TB!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 3 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: It's getting to be late 2024, heading for early 2025!! Hopefully I can hang on a little longer for TB!! .......... me three 🙃 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted October 17 Author Share Posted October 17 10 hours ago, Pat Riot said: Not to be “that guy”, but I wouldn’t believe it until I saw it. Once made it’ll probably take 6 months before most folks see it on their store shelves or online. They have given us dates before and failed to deliver. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted October 17 Share Posted October 17 Typical business ploy. Never tell your customers you have discontinued a product if you can string them along to believe it may become available in the future. Otherwise that customer will start looking for another vendor and a replacment product. I will believe Trail Boss and Clays are available again when I see them on the shelves of the local retailers. Reminds me of some magazine publishers that keep accepting subscriptions and renewals even though they know they are declaring bankruptcy in a few weeks. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oak Ridge Regulator Posted October 18 Share Posted October 18 If the dam fools would make more trail boss they would sell more trail boss. Pretty hard to get good sales figures if you have nothing to sell. I agree with Larsen. Typical business ploy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 I took advantage of ADI's "Contact Us" feature and asked about TB production. Maybe we should all give them a nudge?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 There is no sense among bean counters. I remember when the computer system board makes decided to use CCS (cheap Chinese... stuff) for capacitors instead of the premium Rubicon Japanese products. They figured they would save a few pennies per board. Then, they lost millions in class action lawsuits, and finally lost their companies to bankruptcy. As for ADI, I have no doubt the bean counters have decided that Trail Boss is not as profitable as their other lines. They are dedicating their full production capabilities to the most profitable lines. Apparently Trail Boss, ain't it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted October 19 Share Posted October 19 31 minutes ago, bgavin said: There is no sense among bean counters. I remember when the computer system board makes decided to use CCS (cheap Chinese... stuff) for capacitors instead of the premium Rubicon Japanese products. They figured they would save a few pennies per board. Then, they lost millions in class action lawsuits, and finally lost their companies to bankruptcy. As for ADI, I have no doubt the bean counters have decided that Trail Boss is not as profitable as their other lines. They are dedicating their full production capabilities to the most profitable lines. Apparently Trail Boss, ain't it. ........................ I have a growing dislike for "bean counters" ......... 😬 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 7 hours ago, bgavin said: There is no sense among bean counters. I remember when the computer system board makes decided to use CCS (cheap Chinese... stuff) for capacitors instead of the premium Rubicon Japanese products. They figured they would save a few pennies per board. Then, they lost millions in class action lawsuits, and finally lost their companies to bankruptcy. As for ADI, I have no doubt the bean counters have decided that Trail Boss is not as profitable as their other lines. They are dedicating their full production capabilities to the most profitable lines. Apparently Trail Boss, ain't it. What stopped powder production at ADI was Australia's adoption of the European Union's REACH protocols. REACH banned the use of a bunch of chemicals including a key plasticizer used in the production of almost all of the powders ADI produced. ADI has had a difficult time reformulating their powders without the use of this particular chemical. Fortunately for shooters in North America, REACH was not adopted by the US and Canada. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted October 20 Share Posted October 20 REACH protocols are also developed by bean counters. The ADI bean counters apparently recalculated their production based on these new onerous demands. I don't know if REACH also impacted VV TinStar N32C, which is the next closest to Trail Boss. The EPA bean counters denied me being able to purchase a new Toyota Hilux truck. I'm told it has something to do with weight to emission ratios. The 4 cylinder small Hilux produces less total emission than my big porker new Tacoma, but the Tacoma has a better weight:emission ratio. Bean counters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 I've tried to contact them a few times now, via their "Contact Us" feature on the website. No replies Sadly, I guess Larson E. Pettifogger is right and we're hooped 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 10 Author Share Posted November 10 10 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: I've tried to contact them a few times now, via their "Contact Us" feature on the website. No replies Sadly, I guess Larson E. Pettifogger is right and we're hooped That's a shame to read that CLK, they are usually really good and get back within 24-48 hours. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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