Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 2 minutes ago, McCandless said: I don't usually talk about it, but well before the 2000 COVID debacle I had stockpiled powder, primers, lead, and brass. Just because there were shortages before that. I don't sell it. Simply for my own use. I don't think I'll need to buy anything more except .38 bullets, (I don't cast my own), for the rest of my life. If I retire from shooting and have stock left, I'll sell it off for somewhere between the going rate, and what I paid for it. If I die suddenly and unexpectedly, I've designated someone else to take care of selling all my shooting and reloading, "stuff" for my wife. I'm pretty close to where you are. Haven't stockpiled as much on bullets. They've had more of the gradual expected price increases as time goes on compared to primers and powder. Eventually I may need primers but I'm still good. I've bought a few 8 pounders of preferred powder at good prices for now. Have plenty of Clays for everyday use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawnee Hills Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 After reading some of the posts in this thread, I can't imagine why a new shooter would choose to participate. Good grief! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 All gun sports are expensive. You decide to do it or not. Bullseye, IPSC, USPSA, CFDA, Skeet / Trap, things I don't even know the name or acronym for. If you are interested you will find a way and and may become passionate about whatever you decide on. What flashes to mind is Yoda "Do or don't do. There is no try." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 9 minutes ago, Shawnee Hills said: After reading some of the posts in this thread, I can't imagine why a new shooter would choose to participate. Good grief! Why? Phantom 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 25 minutes ago, doc roy l. pain said: Believe it or not, I had one of those for over 20 years lol I still do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I've always wondered if "MUST BE REASONABLE" or "limited budget" has ever actually worked. If you think $80/1000 is a big price jump, CCI-35 .50 BMG primers are commonly $1.00 - $1.50 APIECE now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I don't have a problem with new shooters looking for a deal. No harm in asking. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 It’s an expensive game, no doubt about it. Prior to finding CAS I was in a rut. I worked as a HS teacher and compared to the industry I previously worked in, Investment Banking, I considered myself ‘semi retired’ and living a comfortable but fairly income restricted lifestyle. Then came CAS and I found myself wanting more money than I actually had for the first time in years. Flash forward a dozen years or so and I’m in an entirely different job and no longer ‘semi retired’ all due to a desire to fund my CAS addiction. So yeah, it’s expensive, but that’s not necessarily all bad. I’ll note that although I’ve spent tens of thousands of dollars on CAS equipment, the value of most of my CAS guns is close to double what I paid for them, so it’s not like those funds just disappeared. The other point I see being argued on this thread is about the character of typical CAS participants. Some think CAS attracts people who tend towards the friendlier more giving type. Others think CAS reflects the general population. To me the answer seems obvious. Different sports/activities pull members from different demographics and therefore members of specific sports are not going to reflect the general population, instead having their own distinctive characteristics. Does anyone believe that people who play recreational basketball are just like the general population? I think not. Younger, taller, poorer and less educated than the general population. Recreational golfers? Nope. Older, wealthier and more educated than the general population. Take a look around the next CAS match. You’ll see a group of people who are far older, wealthier, and whiter than your typical American. The CAS demographic is NOT representative of the population as a whole and therefore the typical value system of a CAS participant is going to be different. If you believe CAS is just a microcosm of the US demos, then you’re assuming that all demographic groups have the same values OR that all demographic groups are equally attracted to CAS, neither of which is true, IMHO. 10 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 Extremely well said Captain! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 2 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: If you believe CAS is just a microcosm of the US demos, then you’re assuming that all demographic groups have the same values OR that all demographic groups are equally attracted to CAS, neither of which is true, IMHO. Uhhhh..."niceness" is not a demographic category...is it??? Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Of all the people I’ve met in CAS, there are about 3 I’d rather not shoot with again. Of those 3, probably only one I would put on a match entry “do not posse with” XXX if given the option. (and no its not Phantom!) are there obnoxious idiots in the game? Yes. But in general those types usually either mend their ways or don’t stay long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Uhhhh..."niceness" is not a demographic category...is it??? Phantom Probably not. However, it's been my observation that some demographic groups are more likely to foster 'niceness' than others are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) You guys have this all wrong. It is not the demographic it is the hat. Once someone puts on a cowboy hat their personalities mellow. The proof is those guys that dress as railroad engineers, wear top hats or wear derbys, etc. Many of them remain twits. Edited July 24 by Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 9 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Probably not. However, it's been my observation that some demographic groups are more likely to foster 'niceness' than others are. A Demographic group...I suppose this means that a group with similar Demographics. What Demographic characteristics tend to indicate "niceness"? I have never been able to discern "niceness" based on Demographics...Happiness...yes. Niceness...no. Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Does anyone believe that people who play recreational basketball are just like the general population? I think not. Younger, taller, poorer and less educated than the general population. Wow! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paradiddle Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 The entire "money" thing is common amongst all hobbies IMO. I also have a Jeep that is built to do the big rocks here in California (The Hammers for those of you who know), I also am a semi professional drummer. And I shoot...LOL. Everything is expensive. Everything starts north of a $1000 PER item. A good snare is easily $1000, and a quality drum set is $3500-$5000 without cymbals. Jeep stands for Just Empty Every Pocket. Golf, mountain biking, road biking, etc etc etc. It's all super expensive. Frankly folks who go on a hobby related forum and complain about money are typically just not ready to participate in said hobby. Jeff 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 I'm sorry that I opened the door to all of this, but here is my take on the people I've met in CAS. Half of them are below average. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: Wow! We're talking averages here Gator. I play basketball, my middle son played competitive basketball. I'm not making a sweeping statement about everyone who plays a sport. Think about it. What does it take to play soccer in terms of equipment? It's a very accessible and very widespread sport, popular across a wide range of demographics, as is basketball. What does it take to play golf and is the game of golf as accessible as the game of soccer? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: A Demographic group...I suppose this means that a group with similar Demographics. What Demographic characteristics tend to indicate "niceness"? I have never been able to discern "niceness" based on Demographics...Happiness...yes. Niceness...no. Phantom Let me preface my statement by repeating something I said earlier; we're not talking about absolutes here. Any demographic is going to have a lot of variability. I'm talking about averages. Which demographic characteristics might indicate an average higher level of 'niceness'? Age, Education, Religion, Income? Politics? Family Structure? Some of those? None of those? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 3 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Age, Education, Religion, Income? Politics? Family Structure? I see no correlation between these Demos and "niceness". Folks here on the Wire often state in absolute terms that the people of CAS are the nicest group of folks you'll ever run across. From my real life experiences in different forms of competition, I don't find this absolute statement to be true. This is not to say that one's particular "Group" of CASing friends are their best friends that they have ever had...but as a group in it's entirety...I see no evidence to prove their belief correct. But...then there are...feeeeeelllllings...☺️ Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 34 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: What does it take to play golf and is the game of golf as accessible as the game of soccer? Yes it is...Public courses can be very cheap and are relatively plentiful...you can pretty much go any time without relying on anyone else...therefore more accessible. 😉 Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 5 hours ago, Snakebite said: I'm sorry that I opened the door to all of this, but here is my take on the people I've met in CAS. Half of them are below average. Below the median anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 (edited) One thing that narrows our participation to "nicer" players is the fact that we resist temptation to shoot for the huge cash or other prizes and endorsements that we see in everything from bass or marlin fishing to tournament trap, tennis, or golf. We always laugh about not winning the Cadillac, but it assures that people come here for the game, the fun and the social engagement. That is not the case in other competitive sports, where big prizes drive their "Who is comming" lists. In other shooting sports, many competitors are glad to see a competitor fall, or drop a firearm, or have a squib or jamb. In CAS, we line up to help, loan them our equipment, supply their forgotten ammo or repair their guns. Then we go BBQ, eat and laugh together. Our big prizes come from raffles or other things that are aside to the shooting. Instead, we play for $2.50 medals, $40 belt buckles, bragging rights and FUN WITH FRIENDS. Somehow we have resisted the temptation to shoot for prizes like new XL750s, bass boats or Jeeps, and our "demographics" reflect that. Edited July 24 by Dusty Devil Dale 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 8 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: Instead, we play for $2.50 medals, $40 belt buckles, bragging rights and FUN WITH FRIENDS. I do not have any friends so your argument has no merit. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: I do not have any friends so your argument has no merit. Look closer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 5 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: Look closer! What is this supposed to mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Just now, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: What is this supposed to mean? Look around at all of your good friends! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 55 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: What is this supposed to mean? He's telling you you're old and blind... Or...wait...if you have Facebook you can have a LOT of friends...that...uhhhhh...don't really know you. Never mind... Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted July 25 Author Share Posted July 25 34 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: I do not have any friends so your argument has no merit. Come on Wayne, tell the truth. You stick around because of the huge payments, residuals and notoriety that you receive from SASS for your articles in the Chronicle. 😂 And I can give you thanks for a few times that you've given me a tip or two on a gun before I dove into it, saving me a good deal of time by the benefit your experience. You've got friends whether you like it or not. There are good folks everywhere, and there are Jerks everywhere. As to who is good and who is a Jerk, I guess that depends upon whom is making the selection. I prefer to hang with the folks that fall into my "Good" category. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/23/2024 at 3:10 PM, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Oh...but wait...I thought you said... Fact: Folks in CAS are of the same mixture as pretty much every other place/activity/etc. Phantom Unlike the Wire, at a match the phrase, "an armed society is a polite society..." comes to mind. In the many years I've spent in this game, I'm only privy to two altercations... and proving the lie to all the above, I was involved in both. Witnesses to either should feel free to comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 10 minutes ago, Griff said: Unlike the Wire, at a match the phrase, "an armed society is a polite society..." comes to mind. In the many years I've spent in this game, I'm only privy to two altercations... and proving the lie to all the above, I was involved in both. Witnesses to either should feel free to comment. One doesn't need an "altercation" to be not "nice"... And...most ranges are cold. Cheers! Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paradiddle Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 12 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Yes it is...Public courses can be very cheap and are relatively plentiful...you can pretty much go any time without relying on anyone else...therefore more accessible. 😉 Phantom It is absolutely not as accessible. Clubs and greens fees, even at a public course, are far more expensive then a soccer ball and a field, or a basketball and a court. There is a reason why soccer is the most popular sport in the world, and basketball has been crushing baseball and football with inner city youths. Not to mention how much beer you drink on a golf course..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 It's just money....... You can't take it with you when you kick the bucket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 On 7/23/2024 at 3:16 PM, Tall Tale Todd said: Why would anyone want to short stroke their pole? Taking advantage of extra fast action. Maybe they want it more tactical for dock shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 7 hours ago, paradiddle said: It is absolutely not as accessible. Clubs and greens fees, even at a public course, are far more expensive then a soccer ball and a field, or a basketball and a court. There is a reason why soccer is the most popular sport in the world, and basketball has been crushing baseball and football with inner city youths. Not to mention how much beer you drink on a golf course..... So...can you go to a public golf course and play...without knowing anyone else? Yes...yes you can. Now say you want to go out and play a game of soccer...or basketball. Therefore, accessible. I'm sorry that you confuse accessible with affordable. Phantom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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