Hand gestures

[Dirty Dan Dawkins]

Who decided to standardize this for public speakers and social media presentations? Once I started seeing virtually everyone do it, it became an annoyance.

 

[Alpo]

Never noticed it before, but now I probably will.

 

Thank you so much.

[Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103]

I could never do this.

Like my father before me, I talk with my hands.

[sassnetguy50]

15 minutes ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

I could never do this.

Like my father before me, I talk with my hands.

Took a management class where we were taught to do this as a method to combat talking hands.  It occupies the hands without looking like a bouncer.

[Cypress Sun]

 

Funeral directors started that.

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

Many might be using that gesture to show how big their tiny brains are.

[Rye Miles #13621]

3 hours ago, Linn Keller, SASS 27332, BOLD 103 said:

I could never do this.

Like my father before me, I talk with my hands.

I thought only us Italians talked with their hands. 

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619]

Paulie Walnuts used to do that.

[Dantankerous]

Anyone here prefer the Bill Clinton finger wagging lecture technique?

 

I thought not.

[Pat Riot]

I recall ministers holding their hands like that as they preached when I was a kid. 
 

Personally, I despise canned hand gestures that are taught to management, public speakers, politicians, etc. and used to convey openness, humility, strength, etc.

My immediate reaction to these actions is distrust. 

[Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381]

Beats two Hawaiian good luck charms waving at you.

[Pat Riot]

1 hour ago, Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 said:

Beats two Hawaiian good luck charms waving at you.

Okay, I’ll bite. What’s a Hawaiian good luck charm?

[Forty Rod SASS 3935]

6 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I thought only us Italians talked with their hands. 

 

6 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said:

I thought only us Italians talked with their hands. 

My Mom's family were mostly Italian.  Mom couldn't say "good morning" if her hands were full or otherwise encumbered.

 

The Irish are also similarly  into hand talking.

[Alpo]

1 hour ago, Pat Riot said:

Okay, I’ll bite. What’s a Hawaiian good luck charm?

I believe it's the one finger peace sign.

 

A bird.

[watab kid]

all i can say is recent political speakers have distracted me from their message with all their hand gesturing - enough to write them off because i didnt recall what they said clearly - some of them should assume the prayer mode to avoid being ignored 

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

Putin has been observed to hold something so that his hand does not shake.

[Equanimous Phil]

15 hours ago, Dirty Dan Dawkins said:

Who decided to standardize this for public speakers and social media presentations?

 

[Pat Riot]

Please don’t confuse my comment earlier as a blanket distrust of people that “talk with their hands”. My comment was more about the hand gestures people train to use, like; sports commentators, politicians, sales men and women, religion money grubbers, legal con artists, manipulators, etc…

My wife talks with her hands, so do other friends of mine. I do to some extent. 

A few years back I worked at an agency that truly cared about training people to make for a better workplace. Most of their training classes were truly beneficial. Then we got a new CEO that hired a couple of people that acted like the folks from my list above. 
One day I got a notice of mandatory training that was called something like, “The power of  positive public and workplace speaking.” That may have been the actual name of it. 
Anyway, this guy starts telling us his schtick and then says “hand gestures or how use use your hands can be very powerful in conveying yours or the company’s message…”

Right away my distrust meter pegged. 
I am pretty sure I still have a dominant caveman gene. Things that move or flit about attract my attention and annoy me. 
This guy starts demonstrating his points by motioning with his hands and “producing” his hands in “welcoming gestures” to “solidify” his message and “inviting others to empower themselves to come aboard.”

I stuffed my notebooks into my backpack, put on my leather jacket and grabbed my helmet and was heading towards the door when Fruitboy says “And where do you think you’re going?”

I responded with “Back to work. I don’t need this (crap)” and I left. 

I found out later that my executive officer (aka muckity-muck douchebag) dropped in on the class to see how we all liked it to find only 2 people in the class that started off with over a dozen. He wasn’t pleased. We all got directives to attend or else. I took the “or else” and nothing happened. 

[Blackwater 53393]

21 minutes ago, Pat Riot said:

Please don’t confuse my comment earlier as a blanket distrust of people that “talk with their hands”. My comment was more about the hand gestures people train to use, like; sports commentators, politicians, sales men and women, religion money grubbers, legal con artists, manipulators, etc…

My wife talks with her hands, so do other friends of mine. I do to some extent. 

A few years back I worked at an agency that truly cared about training people to make for a better workplace. Most of their training classes were truly beneficial. Then we got a new CEO that hired a couple of people that acted like the folks from my list above. 
One day I got a notice of mandatory training that was called something like, “The power of  positive public and workplace speaking.” That may have been the actual name of it. 
Anyway, this guy starts telling us his schtick and then says “hand gestures or how use use your hands can be very powerful in conveying yours or the company’s message…”

Right away my distrust meter pegged. 
I am pretty sure I still have a dominant caveman gene. Things that move or flit about attract my attention and annoy me. 
This guy starts demonstrating his points by motioning with his hands and “producing” his hands in “welcoming gestures” to “solidify” his message and “inviting others to empower themselves to come aboard.”

I stuffed my notebooks into my backpack, put on my leather jacket and grabbed my helmet and was heading towards the door when Fruitboy says “And where do you think you’re going?”

I responded with “Back to work. I don’t need this (crap)” and I left. 

I found out later that my executive officer (aka muckity-muck douchebag) dropped in on the class to see how we all liked it to find only 2 people in the class that started off with over a dozen. He wasn’t pleased. We all got directives to attend or else. I took the “or else” and nothing happened. 

I don’t do well with ultimatums either!  If I don’t want to do something and you give me an “or else” you’d better be ready to back it up.

 

Took my last bosses fifteen years to finally attempt to deliver on an ultimatum and I was already packing my gear when they came around to ASK me to leave!!

The bastiches really squirmed when they had to pay me six weeks of vacation, two weeks of paid sick leave, and a mandatory severance package!

 

One of the two started waffling when he found out what I was walking out with and realized that I was taking my tools and my truck with me.  
 

I just laughed and then turned to the lady in charge of human resources and reminded her that I was being let go without cause and that I WOULD be drawing unemployment on their dime!

 

I see one or the other of them now and then.  I usually offer them a hand gesture.

[Dantankerous]

11 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

I recall ministers holding their hands like that as they preached when I was a kid. 
 

Personally, I despise canned hand gestures that are taught to management, public speakers, politicians, etc. and used to convey openness, humility, strength, etc.

My immediate reaction to these actions is distrust. 

Seems I have to correct one of your posts again, Pat...

 

Let me be brief.

 

"...I despise management..."

 

There ya go. Fixed it.

 

Management and humility do not coexist in my part of the world. You used the word distrust.  Yup, 100% correct.

[Pat Riot]

1 hour ago, Dantankerous said:

Seems I have to correct one of your posts again, Pat...

 

Let me be brief.

 

"...I despise management..."

 

There ya go. Fixed it.

 

Management and humility do not coexist in my part of the world. You used the word distrust.  Yup, 100% correct.

You’re correct. I do despise management even though I was in management.
I still hear from my former coworkers / people that I was responsible for and they always say “I wish you would come back”. To me, that is validation that I did well. 
 

The last batch of idiots I dealt with calling themselves “management” were purely management in name only. It’s pretty bad when you have to deal with sly duplicitous people, but when they’re stupid and ignorant duplicitous people? They’re dangerous to everyone around them…and they all used canned hand gestures. 

[Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381]

12 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

Okay, I’ll bite. What’s a Hawaiian good luck charm?

 

The other day I went to our local Christian book store and saw a “Honk! If you love Jesus” bumper sticker.  I was feeling particularly sassy that day because I had just come from a thrilling choir performance followed by a thunderous prayer meeting.  So, I bought the sticker and put it on my bumper.

 

     Boy! Am I glad I did!  What an uplifiting experience that followed!

 

     I was stopped at a red light at a busy intersection, just lost in thought about the Lord and how good He is, and I didn’t notice that the light had changed.

 

     It is a good thing someone else loves Jesus because if he hadn’t honked, I’d never have noticed that the light had changed.  I found that lots of people love Jesus!  While I was sitting there, the man behind me started honking like crazy, and then he leaned out his window and screamed, “For the love of God!  Go!  Go! Go!  Jesus Christ, GO!”

 

     What an exuberant cheeleader he was for Jesus!  Everyone started honking!  I just leaned out my window and started waving and smiling at all those loving people.  I even honked my horn a few times to share in the love!  There must be a man from Florida back there because I heard him yelling something about a sunny beach. 

 

     I saw another guy waving in a funny way with only his middle finger stuck up in the air.  I asked my teenaged grandson, who was in the back seat, what that meant.  He said it was probably a Hawaiian ‘good luck’ sign or something.  Well, I never met anyone from Hawaii, so I leaned out the window and gave him the ‘good luck’ sign right back!  My grandson burst out laughing.  Why, even he was enjoying this religious experience!

 

     A couple of people were so caught up in the joy of the moment that they got out of their cars and started walking towards me.  I bet they wanted to pray or ask what church I attended, but this is when I noticed the light changed, again.

 

     So, I waved at all my brothers and sisters, grinning, and drove through the intersection.  I noticed that I was the only car that through the intersection before the light changed again and felt kind of sad that I had to leave them after all the love we had shared.  So, I slowed down the car, leaned out the window and gave them all the Hawaiian ‘good luck’ sign one last time as I drove away.

 

     Praise the Lord for such wonderful folks!

 

     Will write again soon!

 

     Love, Grandma

[Pat Riot]

@Okie Sawbones, SASS #77381 

Thank you. That’s annoyingly funny. I actually know a couple of people like that. 

[Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770]

3 hours ago, Dantankerous said:

"...I despise management..."

There are three kinds of bosses. 

(1) The Administrator. "The Book sys this..." This is what most bosses are. They know more about documentation and "office" work than anybody needs to, and usually are the ones telling you how to do everything except what you're paid to do. 

(2) The Manager. "This is what I expect from you..." This is the boss that at least wants to get the job done, as long as THEY don't have to do it. You can at least talk to this guy, as long as you don't really expect any answers that make sense. 

(3) The Leader. "This is what WE need to do.." This is the type of boss that we all should strive to be. This is the boss you go to when things go to absolute crap, and know that he will jump in, get his hands dirty, and not only help fix the problem, but help catch production up to where it would have been if nothing had gone wrong. 

[Cypress Sun]

2 hours ago, Pat Riot said:

You’re correct. I do despise management even though I was in management.
I still hear from my former coworkers / people that I was responsible for and they always say “I wish you would come back”. To me, that is validation that I did well. 
 

The last batch of idiots I dealt with calling themselves “management” were purely management in name only. It’s pretty bad when you have to deal with sly duplicitous people, but when they’re stupid and ignorant duplicitous people? They’re dangerous to everyone around them…and they all used canned hand gestures. 

 

Duplicitous. A perfect word for so-called management.

 

[Blackwater 53393]

2 minutes ago, Cypress Sun said:

 

Duplicitous. A perfect word for so-called management.

 

And mostly inept!!

[Cypress Sun]

22 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

There are three kinds of bosses. 

(1) The Administrator. "The Book sys this..." This is what most bosses are. They know more about documentation and "office" work than anybody needs to, and usually are the ones telling you how to do everything except what you're paid to do. 

(2) The Manager. "This is what I expect from you..." This is the boss that at least wants to get the job done, as long as THEY don't have to do it. You can at least talk to this guy, as long as you don't really expect any answers that make sense. 

(3) The Leader. "This is what WE need to do.." This is the type of boss that we all should strive to be. This is the boss you go to when things go to absolute crap, and know that he will jump in, get his hands dirty, and not only help fix the problem, but help catch production up to where it would have been if nothing had gone wrong. 

 

(3) The Leader. 

A very rare person at any company. The ones that I've had the pleasure to know and work with are still my friends, one of them for 45+ years. None of them ever used their hands in the funeral director fashion.