Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 https://rockinst.org/gun-violence/mass-shooting-factsheet/ So it's NOT people under 21 that commit most of these shootings! Hmmm...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 38 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: So it's NOT people under 21 that commit most of these shootings! While this is probably true, you cannot conclude that from that statistics. An average value (average age) tells very little about the data. Just saying... Edit An example of ten people: six 19 yr olds, one 40, one 50, one 60, and one 70 yr old would result in an average of 33.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 44 minutes ago, Equanimous Phil said: While this is probably true, you cannot conclude that from that statistics. An average value (average age) tells very little about the data. Just saying... Edit An example of ten people: six 19 yr olds, one 40, one 50, one 60, and one 70 yr old would result in an average of 33.4 Good point, and how statistics can lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Equanimous Phil said: While this is probably true, you cannot conclude that from that statistics. An average value (average age) tells very little about the data. Just saying... Edit An example of ten people: six 19 yr olds, one 40, one 50, one 60, and one 70 yr old would result in an average of 33.4 True but the leftists anti gunners use their statistics to get the opposite story! That's why I posted this. I think it shows that not all shooters are 18 and under which the left leads you to believe so they can raise the age to 21 to buy a rifle using their statistics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tell Sackett SASS 18436 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Mark Twain: Lies, Damn Lies, ands STATISTICS! And don't forget Biden: "We prefer truth over FACTS!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Interesting fact: one is not allowed to rent a car if under age 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Ranger Dan said: 3 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: Good point, and how statistics can lie. Actually, Statistics are mathematical equations which know nothing of truth or lies. They produce specific answers to specific questions, based on how the questions are asked and how data are presented to them. They are often misused by liars who attempt to ask the questions in ways which will produce answers that support particular agendas, then try to present the statistical results as "data". But analysis results are not "data". The dishonesty and/or ignorance is in the user's, not in the mathematics. The science of Statistics is simply a tool for sensibly organizing and analyzing data, not for creating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Following the logic of some in this country under 21 should not be allowed to own a gun. Let’s take this further. They should not be allowed to: Vote Join the military Drink Drive cars Take out student loans Take out any loans I wonder who will vote in certain party members? I wonder who would fight their wars for them? I wonder who they could pander to regarding student loans and debt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 Figures don't lie. Liers Figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 51 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Following the logic of some in this country under 21 should not be allowed to own a gun. Let’s take this further. They should not be allowed to: Vote Join the military Drink Drive cars Take out student loans Take out any loans I wonder who will vote in certain party members? I wonder who would fight their wars for them? I wonder who they could pander to regarding student loans and debt? I've said that for years regarding people who are allowed to serve in the military, but can't legally drink or smoke. If you are allowed to do one thing, you should be able to do any of them. If any are prohibited because of age, they should all be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Slade Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 26 minutes ago, LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L said: I've said that for years regarding people who are allowed to serve in the military, but can't legally drink or smoke. If you are allowed to do one thing, you should be able to do any of them. If any are prohibited because of age, they should all be. Put together a petition on this and I'll sign it! If you're not mature enough to decide to drink or smoke, you're not mature enough to sign on the dotted line to potentially sacrifice your life. I'm really on the fence on "should 18 year olds be able to join the military". On one hand, I'd say they're too young to realize what they're getting themselves into (in general). On the other hand - so many of them need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 1 hour ago, LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L said: I've said that for years regarding people who are allowed to serve in the military, but can't legally drink or smoke. If you are allowed to do one thing, you should be able to do any of them. If any are prohibited because of age, they should all be. Either you are mature enough to be responsible or you are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 2 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Following the logic of some in this country under 21 should not be allowed to own a gun. Let’s take this further. They should not be allowed to: Vote Join the military Drink Drive cars Take out student loans Take out any loans I wonder who will vote in certain party members? I wonder who would fight their wars for them? I wonder who they could pander to regarding student loans and debt? Get married Be able to use any contract Have any job outside the home or family business Fly airplanes Have a hunting or fishing license Drive a boat of any kind Borrow or lend money Have any investments in their own name Hold any public office Travel out of state without an adult supervising Attend any college without adult supervision Someone suggested a 21 year old age limit in out local newspaper about seven years ago. I responded very much like the above and it got printed. Last week a similar letter showed up and I took a copy of my letter into the editor and was told that it would have to be approved by a committee, but it was unlikely to be accepted because "it is belligerent and combative." Wonder what the statute of limitations is for printing the letter back when. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted June 8, 2022 Share Posted June 8, 2022 3 hours ago, bgavin said: Interesting fact: one is not allowed to rent a car if under age 25. You'd think that they would rent a 25+ year old car to anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 The Rockefeller statistics don't mean anything... For instance, they don't correlate "mass shootings" to population. They don't tell you that no one really kept nationwide statistics for the periods preceding. The population at 1960 was 179,323,175 and the population in 2020 was 331,449,281 an increase of over 159 million! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 8:22 AM, Ranger Dan said: Good point, and how statistics can lie. No, not really. The stats themselves are just math. The problem is that liars set up the questions and data cherry picking to get the answers that they want to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Jack Calder Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 11 hours ago, McCandless said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Jack Calder Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 I don’t know how the above got posted. Must be fumble fingered. I believe the math below is correct, however, the tittle speaks for itself. HOW TO LIE WITH STATISTICS!! From McCandless post: US Population: 1960 - 179,323,175 2020 - 331,449,281 Mass Shootings from Rockefeller Report: 1966 - 1975 12 mass shootings Analysis of mass shootings/individual for 9 year period ending 1975. 12/179323175 = .0000000669 MS/I 2011 - 2020 160 mass shootings Analysis of mass shootings/individual for 9 year period ending 2020. 160/331449281 = .000000483 MS/I Analysis of increased rate of Mass Shootings from 1975 to 2020 (.000000483 - 0000000669)/.0000000669 = .062197 .062197 X 100 = 6.2197% increase in MS/I from 1975 to 2020 What does this mean? Not a D**mn thing as the data used is random not coordinated. HOW TO LIE WITH STATISTICS!! I took that course in Engineering College. The course was titled, HOW TO LIE WITH STATISTICS, and the text book was titled the same. I course designed to instruct Engineering Students on how to get meaningful and accurate results, not how to support our cockamamie theories! CJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 I once told a client asking about doing a survey, 'you give me $50,000 tell me what outcome you want, and I'll get you there'! A post the other day, 65% of Americans favor abortion. OK where was the survey taken? Oregon, San Francisco...you all understand surveys are worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 I really don't see a connection between each of those activities. Each has its own set of prerequisites. None qualifies everyone to own a gun simply by virtue of participating in one of the others. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 On 6/8/2022 at 2:05 PM, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Following the logic of some in this country under 21 should not be allowed to own a gun. Let’s take this further. They should not be allowed to: Vote Join the military Drink Drive cars Take out student loans Take out any loans I wonder who will vote in certain party members? I wonder who would fight their wars for them? I wonder who they could pander to regarding student loans and debt? In MA, you must be 21 to drink or buy alcoholic beverages, to take out a student loan (or any loan), or to enter into any legally binding contract. Frankly, I do not have a problem with making 21 the "universal" age of consent, including for military service. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 said: In MA, you must be 21 to drink or buy alcoholic beverages, to take out a student loan (or any loan), or to enter into any legally binding contract. Frankly, I do not have a problem with making 21 the "universal" age of consent, including for military service. LL I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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