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Chili Ron

High power short barrel....Why?

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Howdy,

While looking into the 44  vs 45 question,,

I got looking at short barrel powerful revolvers.

My experience with these is that they make a big fireball

that leaves me with a sort of sunburned or fireburn?? feeling.

Then I saw the 454 casull two inch barrel revolver.

Wow.

What is one of these for?

Doenst alll the powder just burn up without adding to bullet speed?

Are these a good idea at all??

Is it just a novelty?

Best

CR

 

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Was thinking about that myself recently.  How much better is a .357 Magnum over .38 Special out of a two inch barrel?

 

Seamus

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The short barrel makes it easier to pack and carry when you are in bear country. 

AND ...

If something does happen ... and you actually manage to get off a shot ... you will likely miss.

BUT ...

The noise and the fireball setting the bear on fire is the backup plan. 

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Wow!  More than I expected, particularly on the ME graph. 
 

Seamus

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My Freedom Arms .454 Casull has a 4 3/4" bbl.

Very handy in a chest holster while hiking or fishing in bear country.

OLG 

 

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Howdy,

Im not against the .454. Thats up to the individual.

It just seems the gain of the caliber is lost with the short barrel.

I guess it should be compared to a 38 or 9 mm to justify the

much higher price.

A tool should have a purpose. It should be really good for something.

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CR

 

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Short barrels are easier to carry, but lose velocity and accuracy potential.  Longer barrels utilize more of the available power but are harder to carry.  

 

Weigh out which is more important to your and choose accordingly.  I have a J frame 357 magnum as a backup gun.  It don't get shot very much, but when it does, it carries full house 357 magnum ammo.  Yeah, it hurts to shoot it, but not near as much as it's gonna hurt the target.  

 

 

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My neighbor sold his 454 to his brother, replaced it with the 460.
65,000 psi is far too much for me.
I understand the norm is closer to 56-57k psi.


Using the Hodgdon loads, it looks like maybe 20% of the powder is still burning after the bullet leaves the muzzle... hence the Big Flash.
In the Smith 460V 5" the recoil of 454 loads is 29-37 ft. lbs... WOOF!
460 loads are much higher.

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I have found that, for me, a 3" bbl revolver is pretty much ideal for carry. It conceals better than a 4" and has the edge in velocity and accuracy over the 2". That's why I like My King Cobra so much.

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17 hours ago, Patagonia Pete said:

The short barrel makes it easier to pack and carry when you are in bear country. 

AND ...

If something does happen ... and you actually manage to get off a shot ... you will likely miss.

BUT ...

The noise and the fireball setting the bear on fire is the backup plan. 

Not to mention your eyebrows. 

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8 hours ago, Chili Ron said:

Howdy,

Im not against the .454. Thats up to the individual.

It just seems the gain of the caliber is lost with the short barrel.

I guess it should be compared to a 38 or 9 mm to justify the

much higher price.

A tool should have a purpose. It should be really good for something.

Best

CR

 

 

My FA .454 crono's 325gn bullets at 1500 fps at 10' from the muzzle. 

Compare that to several modern day rifle calibers.

OLG 

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Think of them as a 'Git Up Off of Me, NOW' gun- the Bear Edition.

 

Nobody wants to shoot a 2".454 or .500 S&W- BUT, if you need one, you're really going to need it.

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with the likelihood of needing ill not carry one but i do understand the concept - i still think a well placed 22 at close range is good for most of our needs but i dont live in an area with other worries right now , might feel different in another location , 

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Try the fireball with a short barrel 410 shot load!

I have a double barrel hangun that is impressive at night. 

The barrel is about a 1/2 longer than a 2 1/2" shell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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I have an 8 shot S&W 327 Night Guard .357 Magnum. It puts out quite a fireball. I mostly shoot .38s in it and keep it loaded with .38 home defense ammo but mostly because it’s the bedroom gun and my wife can / will use it if necessary. 
 

Here is a photo of her firing it with .38 Special at the range. 
 

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